The Dark Knight Was Batman in this movie?

[TheDarkKnight08]

I wouldn't let it get to you. There will always be the killjoys in this world who want to rain on the parade. This movie was still leagues better than last year's big offering from Michael Bay starring big piles of sentient scrap metal.

Thanks. It as if people would pick Shia Labeouf's pissing car over a good Batman movie.

 

[The Chris]

This is like asking if Al Pacino was in Heat. Don't think we've seen Batman more than this.

 

[Keymaker]

No, because this isn't a Batman movie...Batman is nowhere to be found in the title t:

 

[Batman jr.]

He was last seen driving away on his Batpod.

 

[Bat-Mite]

He was last seen driving away on his Batpod.

And then he stopped at McDonald's to "get drive-thru." It's reported that his butler was upset due to having already made a sandwich for him.

 

[Eggyman]

Wot is the poynt of all that cuckin if he carnt even eat a bloody sandwich?!

 

[SheldonLevene]

I will never see how BR even came up in this thread, and the fact your calling it a bad film, not a bad batman film, shows me you might not have that much knowledge about filmmaking at all.

Sure it wasnt a definitive batman film, or really a TRUE batman film at all but to call it a "really bad film" shows me alot about what you know.

I love that my knowledge of filmmaking is brought into question simply because I don't like Batman Returns. You don't have to study film to know what you don't find appealing. I'm glad I was able to show you what I know by simply stating an opinion.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Batman's influence on his society & the effects of said influence awere the crutch of the themes presented in this film so how was he the least important aspect?

They were all a constant when the film began. IN THE FILM, his actual influence was the least. He didn't affect the mob bosses, he didn't affect the joker and he didn't affect two face or Gordon. It's not like he really saved the day anywho, the citizens of gotham won their final round over the joker by not blowing themselves up, the two face's coin landed good side up making him kill someone.

he couldn't even get that dude to squeal and he threw him off a building.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

In other words, you're upset that Batman had flaws? Oy vey. This is Batman, not Batgod. And if the Joker couldn't get the upper hand on Batman, then there'd really be no point in using him as a villain. He's the worst of the worst. The movie had to portray that and it did so rather well.

The joker and batman are supposed to be equal and opposites but the joker was completely overwhelmed batman and he never truelly stepped up his game to match.

it's fine being taken aback by him initially but there was no A-game. Bats always has an A-game.

Call it god or what have you but nolan's batman does not strike me as the man that someone along the lines of superman could respect. Maybe his entire entourage with gordon, lucious, harvey and alfred in there but definitely not Bats alone.

I mean i can't say he properly took down the joker or outsmarted the joker or foiled any of his schemes properly because he never really managed any of that.

oh and a batman who believes that gotham can exist without a batman either isn't a true gotham or isn't a true batman. That's the paranoid aspect of his personality which will always have him ready to go out, even when he's sixty and physically unable to and then have him turning bitter and isolated as he is no longer physically able to help even though he's still razor sharp in his mind.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I love that my knowledge of filmmaking is brought into question simply because I don't like Batman Returns. You don't have to study film to know what you don't find appealing. I'm glad I was able to show you what I know by simply stating an opinion.

The fact of how much work was put into that film in general, how much different it is compared to other films is what makes it a "well-made film" to me.

I dont care if you actually like the film or not, but to say it is a "very bad film" is underrating it, I dont like it nearly as much as alot of other films, but I appreciate it for the fact that it is in fact good filmmaking.

 

[SheldonLevene]

The fact of how much work was put into that film in general, how much different it is compared to other films is what makes it a "well-made film" to me.

I dont care if you actually like the film or not, but to say it is a "very bad film" is underrating it, I dont like it nearly as much as alot of other films, but I appreciate it for the fact that it is in fact good filmmaking.

I'll conceed it may be well made, and it's ok taken strictly as a Burton film. But as far as the characters and story line. I don't really like the choices it made.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I'll conceed it may be well made, and it's ok taken strictly as a Burton film. But as far as the characters and story line. I don't really like the choices it made.

I can understand that, and I appreciate your being honest about the film in general, I dont defend Burtons films just for the sake of it, I really do feel alot of them he puts a lot of hard work into them, in attempting to break boundaries.

Compared to alot of mediocre fimmakers out there still, he has done alot more than most can see, and I feel like sometimes his work is underrated.

 

[Two-Face]

I guess thread starter missed the movie called "The Dark Knight"

 

[ultimatefan]

although i won't comment on the quantity of time batman was on screen for, the quality of that batman is something to be desired.

sure it's still his early days and first confrontation with the joker but batman should expect anything from the criminals of gotham or at least should have started some contigency plans someway through the film.

He was consistently outsmarted, outintimidated, and outeverything by his surrounding cast. To be fair, if this was a story with gordon, joker and harvey alone, i don't think i would have minded.

batman was the least important aspect of the story or plot development.

A hero is the greatest when his enemy is seemingly unbeatable. No one had seen in Gotham a criminal like the Joker. He had no logic goals or reasons, he played games for the sake of playing games, he cheated and deceited at all turns, and in the end it was Batman who understood his logic and caught him. The whole point of Joker was to challenge Batman, challenge his symbol, his methods, his moral choices, he conceived a brilliant plan to do so, and Batman still outcheated him without breaking his code.

 

[ultimatefan]

Don't forget about the scene with Gordon in the bank.

Personally, it's thread like this that kinda kill my enjoyment of the movie. People just looking for flaws in a good movie.
He was one of the most important aspects of the movie. He carried the movie on his shoulders, and the decision he made at the end really developed his character, and will most likely bring out the best of him in BB3.

Over the years, I´ve come to the conclusion geeks have a desperate need to b*** and moan. It comes with the lifestyle. They can´t be really happy with anything. They will look anywhere to point out flaws, even it it means to say preposterous things or grossly distort what´s in the actual movie.

 

[Sam]

It really did not feel like if Batman was in this film. His character seemed to just pop up at times. Who felt that?

Are u crazy?

Im gonna tell u something... some ppl makes no sense at all.

 

[ultimatefan]

I can understand that, and I appreciate your being honest about the film in general, I dont defend Burtons films just for the sake of it, I really do feel alot of them he puts a lot of hard work into them, in attempting to break boundaries.

Compared to alot of mediocre fimmakers out there still, he has done alot more than most can see, and I feel like sometimes his work is underrated.

I actually like Tim Burton and really enjoy most of his movies, I even think Returns can be appreciated if seen as a Burton movie purely, but as a Batman fan I have many problems with it. I never felt Bruce had a real arc in that movie, all you see is that sudden and unconvincing turn when he pleads to Selina against murder and revenge, but just a little ago he was blowing up circus gang members like it was no big deal. In TDK, I felt like his arc was developed throughout the movie, within all the turns of the story, you saw him be affected by it, react, adapt, change his mind.

 

[Eggyman]

I guess thread starter missed the movie called "The Dark Knight"

Yeh, I can just imagine him walking out of the theatre wondering why Bats looked so much like Jonny 5.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Of course he is. Batman's presence is felt throughout the entire film. He is the reason everything gets set in motion from Gotham having the courage to go after the mafia, to the desperate mafia turning to a freak to try and save them, to said freak pretty much existing in the first place. Batman is actually much more important here than he is in The Long Halloween, which was more or less the inspiration for Dark Knight.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Of course he is. Batman's presence is felt throughout the entire film. He is the reason everything gets set in motion from Gotham having the courage to go after the mafia, to the desperate mafia turning to a freak to try and save them, to said freak pretty much existing in the first place. Batman is actually much more important here than he is in The Long Halloween, which was more or less the inspiration for Dark Knight.

Totally agree.

 

[the_monk]

It's not about screen-time. It's about presence.

 

[Caladbolg]

Batman MAY have been in this movie. Theres a figure with a black suit and pointy ears that were still trying to identify in TDK...

 

[batman11]

Was George Clooney in this movie?

 

[ChrisB]

Over the years, I´ve come to the conclusion geeks have a desperate need to b*** and moan. It comes with the lifestyle. They can´t be really happy with anything. They will look anywhere to point out flaws, even it it means to say preposterous things or grossly distort what´s in the actual movie.

ultimatefan=Jett

 

[ultimatefan]

ultimatefan=Jett

The Jett hatred is yet another one of the many irrational geek b***ing around here, but that´s another story.

When people defend the movie, they can exaggerate too, granted, but at least that´s understandable, it´s a movie about a character we love a lot, that, any flaws aside, is treating the franchise with a lot of seriousness and respect. But when they keep nitpicking every little thing about it and even distorting the actual movie just for some obsession with finding flaws, that doesn´t make sense even by Joker logic. Even if you´re a fan of another franchise, I mean, it´s great for ALL comic book-based movies when one is the critical and commercial hit that TDK is.