The Dark Knight Was Batman portrayed right in this movie?

[Asteroid-Man]

He seemed sort of stupid at times (well compared to the comics) but I was glad to get some detective work at least. It was good, but could still use some improvements.

 

[The Sage]

I don't think Batman would've been willing to use Harvey as bait. He held Harvey up high as the new face of Gotham. If the plan went wrong and Harvey was killed, the city would've lost their new symbol of hope.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I forgot.....and he works alone (except for his bat-family)
The doesn´t go around asking Fox to build him stuff or how can he get out of Hong Kong, Batman is a genius, with an IQ over 150.

 

[Boom]

I don't think Batman would've been willing to use Harvey as bait. He held Harvey up high as the new face of Gotham. If the plan went wrong and Harvey was killed, the city would've lost their new symbol of hope.

Unless of course Dent was all for it. I mean, Batman really couldn't have stopped Dent from taking the fall either way.

Besides, Dent's image would've been tarnished whether Batman planned it or not. He admitted he was an outlaw vigilante, not the "by-the-books" White Knight that everyone thought he was.

 

[The Battousai]

Being a genius doesn't give you knowledge or a quickly-manufactured, custom-fit new suit.

 

[Boom]

Being a genius doesn't give you knowledge or a quickly-manufactured, custom-fit new suit.

It does give you the ability to FIND knowledge, and it gives you the ability to gain access to a suit without leaving a trace.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I don't think Batman would've been willing to use Harvey as bait. He held Harvey up high as the new face of Gotham. If the plan went wrong and Harvey was killed, the city would've lost their new symbol of hope.

Agreed. He works alone. Though the Fox thing in pushing that. One of my only complaints about the movies is that Batman is not as self sufficient. Hopefully, him being on the run will force him to be more on his own about everything. Still love Bale as Batman, though.

 

[Boom]

Agreed. He works alone. Though the Fox thing in pushing that. One of my only complaints about the movies is that Batman is not as self sufficient. Hopefully, him being on the run will force him to be more on his own about everything. Still love Bale as Batman, though.

He seems to have no problem working with Gordon .

 

[The Sage]

I forgot.....and he works alone (except for his bat-family)
The doesn´t go around asking Fox to build him stuff or how can he get out of Hong Kong, Batman is a genius, with an IQ over 150.

I do agree about him not inventing his own equipment, though I think him expanding Lucius's sonar device is a sign of growth in that area.

If he works alone, why is there an "except for..."?

Unless of course Dent was all for it. I mean, Batman really couldn't have stopped Dent from taking the fall either way.

But if they both planned it, at least it would show that Batman was going to drastic means to apprehend The Joker, even if that meant taking a huge risk.

I don't think Batman would've seen the risk as being worth it, especially after telling Dent the night before how important he is to the city.

 

[DeaDheaD]

It does give you the ability to FIND knowledge, and it gives you the ability to gain access to a suit without leaving a trace.

Well, this is still the first year or so of him being Batman.

 

[Crook]

I don't think Batman would've seen the risk as being worth it, especially after telling Dent the night before how important he is to the city.

Apparently not since he just stood there as Dent was carried off under the assumption he was Batman.

 

[DeaDheaD]

Apparently not since he just stood there as Dent was carried off under the assumption he was Batman.

Bruce could have figured out what he was doing. Plus Rachel explains in the note that Bruce can't stop being Batman, no matter what he says.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

He seems to have no problem working with Gordon .

Maybe I phrased my statement wrong. When I say self-sufficient, I mean that he doesn't rely on others doing things for him, like I see Lucius do in the movie. Yeah, Gordon works with Batman, but not to the extent I see Lucius do in the movies. I love seeing that partnership between Batman and Gordon, but I'm really iffy about the Lucius thing sometimes.

 

[MrQuinn]

Unless of course Dent was all for it. I mean, Batman really couldn't have stopped Dent from taking the fall either way.

Besides, Dent's image would've been tarnished whether Batman planned it or not. He admitted he was an outlaw vigilante, not the "by-the-books" White Knight that everyone thought he was.

even Bruce not being aware of Dent's "plan", this was all going to happen anyways.

Dent took it upon himself to take the "blame" as Batman, because he ultimately believed Batman stood for something and was something the city needed. He later would have tarnished his own name sake, but Bruce did HIM the favor, and told Gordon to keep his name in high standing, for the good of the city, because ultimately, Bruce believed Dent was good for the city. They would have made quite the dynamic duo themselves.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

even Bruce not being aware of Dent's "plan", this was all going to happen anyways.

Dent took it upon himself to take the "blame" as Batman, because he ultimately believed Batman stood for something and was something the city needed. He later would have tarnished his own name sake, but Bruce did HIM the favor, and told Gordon to keep his name in high standing, for the good of the city, because ultimately, Bruce believed Dent was good for the city. They would have made quite the dynamic duo themselves.

Agreed.

 

[Boom]

Apparently not since he just stood there as Dent was carried off under the assumption he was Batman.

That's what bothers me. If he really wanted Dent to be "the symbol that he could never be," he wouldn't have just stood by and let Dent take the fall for him.

At least if Batman and Dent both planned it, they'd know that:
A)They'd bring The Joker right to them.
B)Dent's name would ultimately be saved.

 

[DeaDheaD]

That's what bothers me. If he really wanted Dent to be "the symbol that he could never be," he wouldn't have just stood by and let Dent take the fall for him.

At least if Batman and Dent both planned it, they'd know that:
A)They'd bring The Joker right to them.
B)Dent's name would ultimately be saved.

I think thats it, Bruce knew that Dent was planning something, Wayne can turn himself in anytime, but the fact he really can't stop being Batman and he wanted to see this plan get played out, he let Dent continue with his plan.

 

[MrQuinn]

That's what bothers me. If he really wanted Dent to be "the symbol that he could never be," he wouldn't have just stood by and let Dent take the fall for him.

IMO...

not true at all.

Bruce, knowing Dent knows what is good for the city, and viewing Dent as the aforementioned "white knight", took Dent's cue as taking blame for Batman, as telling whoever the real Batman is (Dent obviously knowing Batman lurked in there somewhere, because Dent knows that Batman would turn himself him for the good of the city in retrospect) to go ahead and do the batman thing, now in cognito at that, because that's what the city needs! They both understood the plan without discussing it! That's why it was NOT discussed, and that's why Bruce just "stood there"...it was literally hero understanding hero at that point.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I think thats it, Bruce knew that Dent was planning something, Wayne can turn himself in anytime, but the fact he really can't stop being Batman and he wanted to see this plan get played out, he let Dent continue with his plan.

That's what I thought. I could see that as soon as Dent turned himself in, Bruce had this look on his face, like he realized what what Dent was trying to do. Of course, he went along with it, and ended up saving Dent and getting the Joker. With a little unexpected help from Gordon, of course.

 

[Boom]

But it just makes Batman look stupid, as far as I'm concerned. The fact that Dent had the stones to go forward with this plan, and Batman had absolutely no part in it.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

But it just makes Batman look stupid, as far as I'm concerned. The fact that Dent had the stones to go forward with this plan, and Batman just takes advantage of the opportunity.

Well, I seem to remember Dent going over the plan with Rachel as he was being transferred and Dent saying to the press, I believe, that he expected Batman to come save his ass, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[MrQuinn]

But it just makes Batman look stupid, as far as I'm concerned. The fact that Dent had the stones to go forward with this plan, and Batman had absolutely no part in it.

I dont think it was a plan at all. It seemed pretty spur of the moment to me, in fact it even foreshadows the Jokers "there are no plans" spiel in his conversation with Harvey in the hospital.

 

[MrQuinn]

Well, I seem to remember Dent going over the plan with Rachel as he was being transferred and Dent saying to the press, I believe, that he expected Batman to come save his ass, if I'm not mistaken.

also a valid point...Ive only seen the movie once so forgive me if any points I express are flawed...like the previous one haha.

 

[Boom]

Well, I seem to remember Dent going over the plan with Rachel as he was being transferred and Dent saying to the press, I believe, that he expected Batman to come save his ass, if I'm not mistaken.

He did. I'm not denying that.

Dent orchestrated the entire plan on his own, with Batman essentially being on the sidelines. I just irks me that Batman had nothing to do with the planning. That's all.

 

[fabman]

He trusted him. And he wanted Dent to act, to go ahead with his plan and save Gotham City.