Comics Was it a good idea to destroy the Parker marriage?

[farmernudie]

Actually, it would be easier and less painful to actually have that conversation with a REAL brick wall, sadly.

 

[Blader5489]

You were warned.

Doc, I'm flattered you're so interested in me, but I just don't swing that way. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[shinlyle]

Yeh, i don't know why anyone even bothers trying to explain anything to Blader because it is completely and utterly pointless.

I am glad that I am ignored by him now too, because he 'd always hijack any statement of mine and get all rowdy over it and weird and stuff. Often I couldn't even understand why his feathers would be ruffled, except for the fact that i wasn't totally waving my pom poms in the air vigorously or something.

Sheesh. People need to give up with the debating with that guy already.
I'm surprised he hasn't put most of this board on his ignore list.

Sheesh, lots of people and ideas were born before the marriage...people's points are that there are holes GALORE and QUESTIONS GALORE from this dippy poorly written reboot and yet the only one that it makes perfect sense to is him. Blader has no questions and loves having Joey spoon feed him deviled eggs.

He srikes me as the type of guy who "waits it out" through a class 5 hurricane. You know, the guys who sit there wile everyone else bails out...always some trashy redneck who believes he will be fine. That's Blader. He'll be that guy that, if BND is ever completely renounced by Marvel as a failure, he's still be here saying, "I'm gonna wait and see. You people are ignorant. I have a thesaurus....."

Oh well.

 

[Doc Destruction]

He srikes me as the type of guy who "waits it out" through a class 5 hurricane. You know, the guys who sit there wile everyone else bails out...always some trashy redneck who believes he will be fine. That's Blader. He'll be that guy that, if BND is ever completely renounced by Marvel as a failure, he's still be here saying, "I'm gonna wait and see. You people are ignorant. I have a thesaurus....."

Oh well.

Nah, he'll be one of those guys who INSISTS that things are going well, and then after getting his hopes smashed in like the rest of us, he'll jump to our side of the fence.

DAMN what does it take to get on this guy's ignore list? I'm so jealous.

 

[Orest]

omg. should I honestly just cancel this thread. everything was so good but then u guys started arguing. i mean what the hell ?

 

[shinlyle]

Nah, he'll be one of those guys who INSISTS that things are going well, and then after getting his hopes smashed in like the rest of us, he'll jump to our side of the fence.

DAMN what does it take to get on this guy's ignore list? I'm so jealous.

Basically, you just have to remain calm in your rebuttles, and cite specific examples. Then, you point out that he in incorrect, ever so politely. Then, he responds by calling you a dumb hater, then you retort with examples of how you have been reasonable. Eventually, the 12 year-old takes over and he decides to "just ignore you".

It's great. I haven't had to read a 2 page dissertation in response to a one paragraph post I made a week ago in SO long.

 

[Blader5489]

Nah, he'll be one of those guys who INSISTS that things are going well, and then after getting his hopes smashed in like the rest of us, he'll jump to our side of the fence.

Because I do that all the time, right? That's, like, my MO?

 

[Norman Osborn]

omg. should I honestly just cancel this thread. everything was so good but then u guys started arguing. i mean what the hell ?

Welcome to the Spidey boards

 

[Doc Destruction]

Because I do that all the time, right? That's, like, my MO?

No, you haven't gotten to the second part yet. I've seen it happen here more times than you can imagine. Hell, even Shin was a wait-and-see guy at one point.

 

[Norman Osborn]

No, you haven't gotten to the second part yet. I've seen it happen here more times than you can imagine. Hell, even Shin was a wait-and-see guy at one point.

I was a wait and see guy, then someone ate Spidey's eye

 

[stillanerd]

Well, for the sake of satisfying Orest's desire to get back on topic, I'll say this about whether or not it was a good idea to destroy the marriage: it depends upon what the character of Spider-Man is seen as. If you see Spider-Man as a character who, despite having superpowers and a genius intellect is just an ordinary guy who has to get through the day like everyone else, then his being married really doesn't affect that. One could actually make the case it adds to this concept. However, if you view Spider-Man as essentially a "coming of age" story with superpowers, then Spider-Man should not get married and needs to be as young as possible, preferably between the ages of 16 and 21, as opposed to say a 25 year old adult who still making the same dumb mistakes and naive decisions when he was 15. Of course, people have argued that's what Ultimate Spider-Man is for, but it's pretty apparent, at least to me anyway, that Marvel really wants the Ultimate line tweaked into the mainstream Marvel Universe while gradually phasing out the Ultimate line altogether, Brand New Day being part of that tactic.

Of course, it's the way Marvel and Joe Q broke up Peter and MJ that's got people up in arms even after six months into BND. As much as I think the Clone Saga was detrimental to Spider-Man as a whole, at least there was some basis in logic behind the premise, and although the stories involved a "different" Spider-Man, at least they still happened to someone, as opposed to saying certain events NEVER happened or happened it ways that didn't actually transpire on the comic book pages like One More Day/Brand New Day is suggesting. One involved building on what came before in which we thought we read 20 years worth of stories about a character but actually didn't, while another essentially took a pair of scissors and cut out various words and/or scenes and pasted new ones in it's place over the past 20 years worth of comics. Out of those two evils, I think I'd know which is the lesser of the two.

 

[Styleshift]

What amuses me is that Blader thinks Spidey's history has only minor changes. Whereas in my opinion, his history, ESPECIALLY everything recent, is in question.

If Peter's powers are back to normal, does that mean The Other didn't happen? Does that mean that business with the Queen in Jenkins' Spidey book didn't happen?

If Mary Jane and Peter are seperated, why did they live together at Avengers tower?

If Tony Stark can't remember Pete's identity, how does he make sense out of recent events in his brain?

I could go on and on all day.

DUDE!
Blader didn't say all of that...he's basically agreeing with you!

He said everything before the marriage is still the same and right now everyone can be sure about it. Since Ezekiel and Morlun were written as preceding Spidey's own existence they cannot be retconned out of continuity just because the marriage did not happen. Than he wrote on the other post that everything else is fair game for a change. he didnt state he was glee with joy. his opinion was irrelevant. he's not ignoring the current issues with continuity...he's explaining something thats easy to misunderstand about BND.

BLADER IS AGREEING WITH YOU BUDDY!!

 

[Orest]

I think Marvel should just stop bringing all these famous villians one by one and making them useless for money. I mean honestly. we have a thread on BND sales dropping and things being cheaper. well marvel knows that as well. so what they do is make the problem bigger with bringing all these superheros/villians in with them really not being there. was wolvering needed in that one comic. NO but they made a deal about it like 5 comics b4 it came out and I wanted to buy but when I read it I was like "oh" now theres Kraven, Venom, and DareDevil. I dont even know what to think

 

[UK_Stu]

I think Marvel should just stop bringing all these famous villians one by one and making them useless for money. I mean honestly. we have a thread on BND sales dropping and things being cheaper. well marvel knows that as well. so what they do is make the problem bigger with bringing all these superheros/villians in with them really not being there. was wolvering needed in that one comic. NO but they made a deal about it like 5 comics b4 it came out and I wanted to buy but when I read it I was like "oh" now theres Kraven, Venom, and DareDevil. I dont even know what to think

What the hell...??!

Speak English boy

 

[shinlyle]

No, you haven't gotten to the second part yet. I've seen it happen here more times than you can imagine. Hell, even Shin was a wait-and-see guy at one point.

So true. Up until Sins Past. Then I came back for the New Avengers arc. Then I left after the Other. Then I came back for Civil War....and then I left for good after part 2 of One More Day...and I haven't looked back.

In all fairness, I did read the first few issues of Brand New Day just to give it a fair shake. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't so great as to put all the bad things behind me, either.

I honestly feel that destroying the marriage pretty much detroyed any progress the title has made, and will ever make. We all now know that he will never be married or have a truly long-lasting relationship, so what's the point?

 

[Themanofbat]

Well I've just quoted you so he can read your post.

I just don't like how Blader and TheManOfBat have to be dishonest both to us and to themselves to defend BND.

How come I get unceremoniously dumped into this?

 

[Norman Osborn]

How come I get unceremoniously dumped into this?

Cause you're being dishonest with yourself...fess up!! t:

 

[Themanofbat]

Cause you're being dishonest with yourself...fess up!! t:

Some of it is not perfect... but for the first time in a long time, I'm enjoying reading Spidey books on a consistant basis...

If someone prefers to think that MY opinion is me being dishonest with myself, more power to them... I've got enough "real life" problems to worry about.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Some of it is not perfect... but for the first time in a long time, I'm enjoying reading Spidey books on a consistant basis...

If someone prefers to think that MY opinion is me being dishonest with myself, more power to them... I've got enough "real life" problems to worry about.

I was messin with ya!

 

[farmernudie]

SHIN: So true. Up until Sins Past. Then I came back for the New Avengers arc. Then I left after the Other. Then I came back for Civil War....and then I left for good after part 2 of One More Day...and I haven't looked back.

In all fairness, I did read the first few issues of Brand New Day just to give it a fair shake. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't so great as to put all the bad things behind me, either.

I honestly feel that destroying the marriage pretty much detroyed any progress the title has made, and will ever make. We all now know that he will never be married or have a truly long-lasting relationship, so what's the point?

Yeh, they destroyed a lot of progress and degressed Spidey/Pete in too many ways for my tastes too. And it was done in the most brainless way possible, i don't even dare call it a story, the way it was done.

And what was the real point???

Fans aren't flocking to the title. No chance for progression now, unless they reboot the reboot.

And spidey has TWO seperate histories now. Is this really a GOOD thing??

Oy.

 

[stillanerd]

Yeh, they destroyed a lot of progress and degressed Spidey/Pete in too many ways for my tastes too. And it was done in the most brainless way possible, i don't even dare call it a story, the way it was done.

And what was the real point???

I'm beginning to think that it had something to do with Ultimate Spider-Man. I think that when Joe Q saw how successful that title was doing, he believed that this was a sign that there was a demand for a young, single Spider-Man. And then when Peter broke up with MJ and dated Kitty Pryde in Ultimate and how fans responded positively to that, he saw it as confirmation that there was indeed a demand for a single, young Spider-Man with relationship drama. Same thing with regards to the movies, which also showed a young, single Spider-Man. So, with One More Day/Brand New Day, he came up with a storyline that would brake up Peter and MJ while not calling it a divorce, creating a faux Classic version of Spider-Man that harkened a "back to basics" approach, including relationship drama, and then, just when it appears that Peter and MJ will finally move on with Carlie Cooper and Robert Carr respectively, the other shoe drops and it's revealed it's all one big scam perpetrated by Mephisto to obtain Peter's soul out of revenge for losing to the Beyonder when Spidey was his champion back in Secret Wars II. As a result, Peter and MJ get back together again, only they would no longer be married, thus their relationship echoes that found in Ultimate Spider-Man, which eventually gets the Spider-Girl treatment. And everybody wins! Or so Joe Q hopes.

Fans aren't flocking to the title. No chance for progression now, unless they reboot the reboot.

Well, when Marvel reboots the title but swears up and down its not a reboot, when they say all the stories count except for the marriage despite how there's all kinds of other things that have changed, and the fact that by Marvel's own admission that everything from The Other on was designed to write Spidey into a corner knowing full well they would pull a DC comics style reality alteration a la Superboy Prime's Retcon Punch, then it's a no-brainer they would lose a lot of trust and good-will from the fans.

And spidey has TWO seperate histories now. Is this really a GOOD thing??

Oy.

Not when no one even now seems to know how the new 616-BND gells with the original 616, especially with regards to the "gap" Joe Q said happened prior to Peter and MJ's taking the deal and Peter waking up in Aunt May's house, which first was stated to being three months and now said to be a year and a half.

 

[Themanofbat]

I was messin with ya!

I know...

 

[Cullen]

I think it was a good idea to destroy the Parker Marriage, mainly because I hate M. J. to death. One of the many, many failures of One More Day/Brand New Day is that she wasn't crushed beneath a radioactive Dinosaur's foot (which has been my dream since the marriage.)

If this whole mess is "resolved" and the marriage returns to status quo, I won't pitch a fit, as I realize not everyone has the correct outlook on life. In fact, I might even be happy for you poor, deluded saps.

But, in my heart of hearts, I'll be awailing.

 

[The Hill]

Something just came to mind. It's a bit minor, but shouldn't Peter still be wearing the black costume since in ths altered history he was never married?

 

[Blader5489]

Something just came to mind. It's a bit minor, but shouldn't Peter still be wearing the black costume since in ths altered history he was never married?

Pete and MJ didn't get married, but they still stayed together.