Was the action that much better?

[JokerNick]

Suck cock to your father, you probably already have.



Yeah right. X3 had much better action sequences. Scene in the house was 100x more spectaular and thrilling than anything from X2.

yes the house scene and the last battle were impressive, but there were too many problems with the movie that really ruin those pieces. x2 had less action, but was more gripping, it had a better plot, actors were better, and the action pieces were set in reality, not over the top.......... I mean the ending where jean was vaoprizing people was a bit much, I mean come on, she's destroying people in a blink of an eye, but can't kill logan

 

[LadyVader]

That is the dumbest logic I've ever heard. Sure, there are movies with low budgets that turn into great action movies, but imagine if they had bigger budgets? All you proved was that X3 wasted a couple million some where along the line.

The only thing I was trying to prove is that expensive action scenes are not always better then cheap action scenes. Like I said, flash and substance. Singer had both, Ratner had only the first.

Whatever other conclusions you might have reached from my reply, are your business.

 

[gildea]

Yes the sequences where better (the only exception being nightcrawler in x2) basically because magneto got to show how powerful he is.

The scene with the prison convoy.
The Bridge
and the the throwing flaming cars.

 

[D-scythe]

The only thing I was trying to prove is that expensive action scenes are not always better then cheap action scenes. Like I said, flash and substance. Singer had both, Ratner had only the first.

Whatever other conclusions you might have reached from my reply, are your business.

Just because there are exceptions to the rule, doesn't mean that the rule is false. Sure, there have been many good action movies produced on a low budget, but the trend is bigger budget = more spectacular action.

So I fail to see how it is fair to say that X3 was so much better in terms of action to X1 and X2 but not consider the fact that X3's budget was more than X1 and X2 combined. You can't honestly expect the previous two movies to compare.

X3 SHOULD be a better action flick than X1 and X2 (and it was).

 

[Nathan]

Yes the sequences where better (the only exception being nightcrawler in x2) basically because magneto got to show how powerful he is.

The scene with the prison convoy.
The Bridge
and the the throwing flaming cars.

I wouldn't really call those action sequences. More impressive display of powers.

 

[LadyVader]

Just because there are exceptions to the rule, doesn't mean that the rule is false. Sure, there have been many good action movies produced on a low budget, but the trend is bigger budget = more spectacular action.

So I fail to see how it is fair to say that X3 was so much better in terms of action to X1 and X2 but not consider the fact that X3's budget was more than X1 and X2 combined. You can't honestly expect the previous two movies to compare.

X3 SHOULD be a better action flick than X1 and X2 (and it was).

Oh, I can honestly expect it. And i do expect it. And i do believe that X2 is, even in terms of action, better then X3. Because the action was doubled by humanity. In X3 you have Phoenix who kills Scott without even blinking, pulverizez hundreds of people just for the heck of it and Magneto who moves a bridge just so he could show off.
There's nothing to connect me to these people. There's no dramatic charge in these action scenes. In X2 you had somebody breaking in a house and trying to kidnap some kids. Of course Wolverine would go totalyl beserk. That's what you, me, anybody would do if they found trespassers in their home. And the fighting scenes were one on one, and so much more dramatic. You felt sorry for Deathstrike dying because you knew she was controlled. Do you feel sorry for Phoenix?

 

[J.Howlett]

Exactly, Lady Vader. That's why they're better in X2 than The Last Stand.

 

[tirminyl]

Opinions, everyone has one. What you all think is better, many others will disagree. When speaking with non fans what action scenes do you think they remember from the first two? Nightcrawlers Whitehouse attack......and that would be it. Nothing is worth remembering in the previous installments.

 

[LadyVader]

No, plenty of things are worth remembering. What is actually remembered is another story.

 

[Nathan]

I still have pretty fond memories of Wolverine defending the mansion and the Deathstrike fight. And the few seconds of Colossus in metal form throwing the Soldiers through the wall are better than anything he did in X3.

If I have to think of really great battles in X3, then only the mind battle between Xavier and Phoenix comes to mind. And that was simply just them staring at each other. The actual fights are pretty much just mindless brawls.

 

[LadyVader]

from X3 I will remember Xavier's death because his skin flapped, the bridge scene because it was so corny and unecessary and Kitty calling Juggernaut a d word.
And that's about it...

 

[xwolverine2]

singer lacked enough action imo...

wolverine had his fight scenes in x1 and x2... i didnt want singer to give wolverine yet another one...

ratner balanced all the fight scenes so that your satisfied...

 

[bes628]

Yeah this movie kills 1 n 2 with the fights.

 

[xwolverine2]

Yeah this movie kills 1 n 2 with the fights.

i like the fight scenes but there just wasnt enough...

and thats basically 3/4ths of what x-men is....lol!!!!

 

[D-scythe]

Oh, I can honestly expect it. And i do expect it.

So what are we arguing about? Do we both not agree that because of its bigger budget X3 should be a better action flick?

And i do believe that X2 is, even in terms of action, better then X3.

You do realize that this is a bad thing for the people behind X3? You're saying Singer with half the cash produced a better action movie than Ratner. In fact, everything you said just undermined the ONLY thing X3 had over X1/X2, which was action.

 

[LadyVader]

1. It shouldn't be (because money isn't the only thing that makes action scenes great, there's also, like I have already said, the human element) and it isn't (because X3 doesn't have the human element).

2. I'm confused. When exactly have I ever showed support for X3!? I damn well hope people understand that I think it's a terribly shallow and weak movie compared to the other two. That is exactly the point that I'm trying to get across.

 

[D-scythe]

1. It shouldn't be (because money isn't the only thing that makes action scenes great, there's also, like I have already said, the human element) and it isn't (because X3 doesn't have the human element).

2. I'm confused. When exactly have I ever showed support for X3!? I damn well hope people understand that I think it's a terribly shallow and weak movie compared to the other two. That is exactly the point that I'm trying to get across.

Touche

 

[xwolverine2]

1. It shouldn't be (because money isn't the only thing that makes action scenes great, there's also, like I have already said, the human element) and it isn't (because X3 doesn't have the human element).

2. I'm confused. When exactly have I ever showed support for X3!? I damn well hope people understand that I think it's a terribly shallow and weak movie compared to the other two. That is exactly the point that I'm trying to get across.

wrong place to get it across

 

[LadyVader]

Why is that? This isn't the "Last stand supporters unite" thread. this is the "Was the action much better?" thread. And i have given reasons why I don't believe the action scenes are much better. I don't think I've been outright bashing the movie.
I try to be as reasonable as possible.

 

[David33]

The action was much better and more epic...

 

[tirminyl]

No, plenty of things are worth remembering. What is actually remembered is another story.

Exactly, and what is actually remembered by your common audience is what I mentioned. Nothing from the first movie, Nightcrawler from the second, and a handful from the last.

Hell, people want to complain about worthless action scenes I can tell you right now, each movie would be over in 3 minutes.

 

[LadyVader]

How are they more epic? In X2 Xavier nearly kills every human being on the planet.
X3 goes as far as Pheonix killing some people on an island. At no time is the fate of the world in actual danger.

 

[xwolverine2]

How are they more epic? In X2 Xavier nearly kills every human being on the planet.
X3 goes as far as Pheonix killing some people on an island. At no time is the fate of the world in actual danger.

thats not considered action in my book k?

not unless your 80 years old

 

[LadyVader]

It is an action, not action per say, but it's an action that gives all the scenes leading up to it and from it the designation of epic because of its extreme consequences.

And respect your elders, damnit.

 

[xwolverine2]

It is an action, not action per say, but it's an action that gives all the scenes leading up to it and from it the designation of epic because of its extreme consequences.

And respect your elders, damnit.

well.. were not talking about "AN action" were talking about action...

"AN action" is basically everything