watch the golden compass go to hell

[S_H_F_4839]

can i get a show of hands? how many practicing christians here believe we all descended from adam and eve?

Do I believe we decended from two people yes, do I believe it happened word for word the way the bible describes not so much. I believe that the human mind cannot fully grasp the will of god and he allows us to have only what he thinks we can handle.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i just got back from the movie.. and it takes place in another dimension so to speak, yes theres alot of symbolism with historical Roman Christian persecution against (The Gypsies and Pagans) as well as an organized belief telling people that science isn't real. But to be quite honest It's so washed over that its nothing more then watching Harry potter, Narnia, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, etc...

 

[Lackey]

but was it good? rottentomatoes says it's a dud

 

[spideyboy_1111]

but was it good? rottentomatoes says it's a dud

dud, no. Great as in Lord of the Ring and harry potter? no...

id put it on par with narnia... both had there moments (golden compass had better moments as well as more interesting symbolism) but both movies imo were mediocre... loved Nicole and the animals though...

i just think less people know about this book then all the others so dont care to see it

 

[Dodger]

dud, no. Great as in Lord of the Ring and harry potter? no...

id put it on par with narnia... both had there moments (golden compass had better moments as well as more interesting symbolism) but both movies imo were mediocre... loved Nicole and the animals though...

i just think less people know about this book then all the others so dont care to see it

How about dem polar bears.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How about dem polar bears.

yeah, i must say that fight was not only cool but surprising.

 

[sinewave]

If the Adam and Eve story isn't meant to be taken as "this actually happened, these people existed", then essentially the entire story of jesus is the result of some twisted individual, where a person takes all the sins of the world as a result of the actions of 2 nonexistent persons.

yeah, that's why i'm trying to get to the bottom of this. how much of the bible was intended to be taken literally and how much is metaphor? there's so much questionable content in the bible, it's tough to wrap your brain around it.

Do I believe we decended from two people yes, do I believe it happened word for word the way the bible describes not so much. I believe that the human mind cannot fully grasp the will of god and he allows us to have only what he thinks we can handle.

thanks.

 

[Dark Carnage]

I had no intention of seeing this movie, and now I do.

And Supes made a good point, any movies made with Christian over tones are never complained about.

 

[Galactus]

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/03/golden.compass.religion.ap/index.html

is there anything that doesn't piss somebody off out there

Personally, I don't care if Golden Compass is a story that tries to "sell atheism" to kids or whatever, but those religious morons who always complain about everything and cries for boycott whenever something doesn't please them they deserve criticism. I wonder if they are so upset about Golden Compass because they actually recognize themselves? Too many religious groups have a sort of "our way is the only true way"-mentality. If they could they probably would brainwash kids about this God-stuff. The world would be a lot better without these morons.
But at least we don't have much of them in Sweden. No one is screaming for boycott of Golden Compass, Da Vinci Code or anything else here.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Personally, I don't care if Golden Compass is a story that tries to "sell atheism" to kids or whatever, but those religious morons who always complain about everything and cries for boycott whenever something doesn't please them they deserve criticism. I wonder if they are so upset about Golden Compass because they actually recognize themselves? Too many religious groups have a sort of "our way is the only true way"-mentality. If they could they probably would brainwash kids about this God-stuff. The world would be a lot better without these morons.
But at least we don't have much of them in Sweden. No one is screaming for boycott of Golden Compass, Da Vinci Code or anything else here.

THE FOLLOWING QUOTES HAVE ALL BEEN ALTERED BY ME (I did so to make a point):

Personally, I don't care if The Passion of the Christ is a story that tries to blame Jews for Jesus' crucifixion, but those religious morons who always complain about everything and cries for boycott whenever something doesn't please them they deserve criticism. I wonder if they are so upset about The Passion of the Christ because they actually recognize themselves? Too many religious/ethnnic groups have a sort of "victim"-mentality. If they could they probably would brainwash kids about their perpetual victimhood. The world would be a lot better without these morons.

Personally, I don't care if The Silence of the Lambs is a story that makes the gay guy the villain, but those GLBT morons who always complain about everything and cries for boycott whenever something doesn't please them they deserve criticism. I wonder if they are so upset about The Silence of the Lambs because they actually recognize themselves? Too many sexuality-centered groups have a sort of "you can't ever portray us negatively"-mentality. If they could they probably would brainwash kids about sexual experimentation. The world would be a lot better without these morons.

Personally, I don't care if 24 is a story that makes portrays Muslims as terrorists, but those Islamic morons who always complain about everything and cries for boycott whenever something doesn't please them they deserve criticism. I wonder if they are so upset about 24 because they actually recognize themselves? Too many religious-centered groups have a sort of "our way is the only true way"-mentality. If they could they probably would brainwash kids about Islam. The world would be a lot better without these morons.

Personally, I don't care if The Birth of a Nation is a story that makes portrays the Ku Klux Klan as heroes, but those black morons who always complain about everything and cries for boycott whenever something doesn't please them they deserve criticism. I wonder if they are so upset about The Birth of a Nation because they actually recognize themselves? Too many race-centered groups have a sort of "our perspective is the only true perspective"-mentality. If they could they probably would brainwash kids about diversity. The world would be a lot better without these morons.

Once again, Galactus didn't make any of the above posts. I just swapped a few words in each one.

There have been railings against each of these films/TV shows by the groups I've mentioned. Would any of you call each of their protests and/or calls for boycotts equally as idiotic as some of you have basically called the Christians' boycotts/protests?

If you would, then I'll give you credit for consistency.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! handsome Rob just compared Golden Compass to "Birth Of A Nation" sure, he kept it subtle at first, but then all of sudden...WHAM!
no, Handsome Rob, your point is not made, you are trying to pass off a flimsy argument, and in doing so come off as a Moron.
see, for instance, Silence Of The Lambs doesn't make the "gay guy" the villain, it makes the "insane-human-skin-wearing guy" the villain ( what a concept, trying to break stereotypes, as the human-skin-wearing-guy is usually the hero in other movies) and Birth Of A Nation is aimed specifically at the black community.
24 makes radicalized Muslims the terrorists and uh.....that's because, uh, they are.
and finally, Birth of a Nation?
Birth of a Nation?
HAHAHAHAHA! that's not even worthy of a response.
just by coincidence I happened to see the Golden Compass yesterday.
it's great, it's fun and the point ( in the movie, not the book) is made in a much more subtle way than Aslan=Jesus, yet, I still liked Narnia, go figure.
(though, the CGI work is much better in the Golden Compass, the vehicle designs are kickass) the noise made by people arguing this is propaganda?
totally unfounded, they water down the message enough for the movie to be about freewill ( and aren't the same people complaining about this movie always arguing about how much freewill we all have?) and I look forward to the sequel.
footnote though, I went to see this with my girlfriend, and when we got out of the movie I asked her "which movie did you like best, this one or Narnia?"( since we saw a trailer for Prince Caspian that day) and she says "this one hands down, I just like the message better"
so, yeah, I'm marrying her, soon.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow, those are some sh***y examples Rob.

 

[Handsome Rob]

You're right, Mr. Sparkles: the villain was a skin-wearing guy. But, there were a protests from the gay community when the film came out over the sexuality of the serial killer. It really happened:

http://www.thefilmjournal.com/issue3/longwaybaby.html

I didn't just pull these examples out of thin air.

Each is an example of movies that were actively protested either at the time it came out or since. Go ahead and look it up. Jewish groups complained about "Passion." Muslims complained about "24." Black groups have complained about "Birth of a Nation." They're not bad examples--they're reality.

It seems, however, that your irritation at the idea of someone trying to get someone else not to watch a movie is rather selective. THAT is what I'm pointing out.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Birth of a Nation was a blatantly racist film made to insight violence against a racial minority. That's not even remotely on the same level as a film whose message can be construed as atheist. It's not painting Christians as an enemy who needs to be killed before they rape all our white women and overthrow our Government and institutions, as Birth of a Nation would have you believe about black people.

Also, last time I checked, the author's father was some radical anti-semite either.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

this flick bombed, move on.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Of course religous people are gonna go nuts when anything questioning their beliefs is shown

Seriously though its just a movie and if someone loses thier faith in christianty for example after watching a movie then thier faith wasn't that strong to begin with.

Most kids won't even notice any religous connections in the same way tgey didn't notice the religous connections in the lion, the with and the wardrobe.

Sometimes people can get offended,even if there is the slightest hint of something going against their faith.So much for tolerence...how is the film doing?Box office wise?

 

[Handsome Rob]

Birth of a Nation was a blatantly racist film made to insight violence against a racial minority. That's not even remotely on the same level as a film whose message can be construed as atheist. It's not painting Christians as an enemy who needs to be killed before they rape all our white women and overthrow our Government and institutions, as Birth of a Nation would have you believe about black people.

Also, last time I checked, the author's father was some radical anti-semite either.

Perhaps "Birth of a Nation" was a poor example, then. I haven't seen it and didn't know it was specifically geared for that purpose. I'm sorry I included it. I was trying to come up with movies that different "groups" have protested, and that was one that came to mind. I haven't seen it or "Passion," although I have seen "Silence" and all but one season of "24."

I just think it's pretty inconsistent to call Christians "morons" for protesting a film they perceive as offensive, whereas the same people (maybe not on here, but there are people out there) would not say the same thing about GLAAD or CAIR or the NAACP when they find something "offensive" in a film.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

see, for instance, Silence Of The Lambs doesn't make the "gay guy" the villain, it makes the "insane-human-skin-wearing guy" the villain

It was an even-handed, endearing treatment of human skin stealers/wearers.
Like, he really cared for that little dog...he was resourceful (shutting off the lights and wearing night vision goggles),...he was able to afford and maintain a nice, large house and van...

 

[Handsome Rob]

It was an even-handed, endearing treatment of human skin stealers/wearers.
Like, he really cared for that little dog...he was resourceful (shutting off the lights and wearing night vision goggles),...he was able to afford and maintain a nice, large house and van...

Ha! We had a guy in college who, just to mess with people, liked to go completely naked into a random guy's room while he's in there and do the "Tucking it in" dance that the serial killer did. And, he wasn't drunk when he did it, either.

 

[Venomfan]

can i get a show of hands? how many practicing christians here believe we all descended from adam and eve?

didn't the human race no matter what come from 2 humans? whether or not their names were Adam and Eve. i mean with evolution i'm assuming there would have been the first 2 humans that all of us would have then come from?


anyway just got back from the movie. as a Christian who takes his faith very seriously(i'm a Bible College student) i was very offended by all the Christians boycotting this movie. Some older folks that go to my school said something about not seeing it and I flipped on them about how stupid their reasoning was, since all the people boycotting this are basing it off of things people who havent read the books have said.

anyway, i could easily see the Catholic Church dealy in the movie, but not so much the present one, but the medieval church, and that was pretty much just with the ruling 3 dudes and the slimy bugger who tried to poison daniel craig. the rest of the organization came off across more like the U.S. government lol, my dad agreed

 

[Mr Sparkle]

You're right, Mr. Sparkles: the villain was a skin-wearing guy. But, there were a protests from the gay community when the film came out over the sexuality of the serial killer. It really happened:

http://www.thefilmjournal.com/issue3/longwaybaby.html

I didn't just pull these examples out of thin air.

Each is an example of movies that were actively protested either at the time it came out or since. Go ahead and look it up. Jewish groups complained about "Passion." Muslims complained about "24." Black groups have complained about "Birth of a Nation." They're not bad examples--they're reality.

It seems, however, that your irritation at the idea of someone trying to get someone else not to watch a movie is rather selective. THAT is what I'm pointing out.

no no no.
they are bad examples, because see, you're comparing apples and oranges, regardless of whether It happened or not, that's the reason your comparison doesn't work.
I don't know if you've seen Birth of A nation, but If you have you probably Know why it's a horrible comparison.
your own source article talks about how small the protests were.
oh, and, perhaps you should've included examples of protests previous to the release of the Movie, as they would've been more adequate.
however, ascribing some sort of personal involvement on my part was the master touch.
I'm sorry Rob, you're still wrong and your comparisons are still deeply flawed.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I just think it's pretty inconsistent to call Christians "morons" for protesting a film they perceive as offensive, whereas the same people (maybe not on here, but there are people out there) would not say the same thing about GLAAD or CAIR or the NAACP when they find something "offensive" in a film.

but this is all assumption on your part is it not?
I KNOW that the Passion of the Christ is pretty anti-semitic and still I never "protested" it, what I did was declare it a snuff film for Christians.
sorry, that's what it was, but they get to see it, without me mass mailing anyone about it.

again, I'm sorry, you're just....so wrong.

 

[sinewave]

didn't the human race no matter what come from 2 humans? whether or not their names were Adam and Eve. i mean with evolution i'm assuming there would have been the first 2 humans that all of us would have then come from?

but that would make the entire world population a product of incest. how did we get the different races from those two people? why does the human race have to start with two people? if you're including evolution in the equation, why would it only produce two people?

 

[Varient]

Both sides are pissed...

Religious orgs are pissed because it touts alternatives to their beliefs

Atheists are pissed because it's a watered down version of the original store line.

Perhaps they should all meet somewhere to discuss it...then we can firebomb the whole damn building.

HARSH.

 

[Varient]

Good grief. Can't anything be just for entertainment anymore?

jag

Sure.

Just don't expect quiet acceptance of what can be seen as an irrational attack.

In this case,... too many have read the books so they know the underlying point of the upcoming trilogy.

I find it amusing that straight "fiction" of all genre can be accepted in our society no matter how gory,... but any fiction that impacts religious beliefs or sexual mores can't really be tolerated.

I saw the movie and found parts of it "heavy-handed" in that there were NO good members of the Magis-whatsis.

They were all obviously evil or mindless puppets or worse of all,../ convient targets.

Also having the main characters be as unscrupled as they were protrayed also rubbed me the wrong way.

The reasons were "weak" as far as why her parents didn't let her know they were her parents,...