Watching X2 again, I could cry!

[The Kid]

Watch Wrath of Khan and then watch X2.

Oh and x3 is garbage except for Callisto's cleaveage and the always godly Mckellen. I've seen better filmmaking in episodes of the power rangers...

 

[gambitfire]

I've seen better moments in Batman and Robin!

lol j/k

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I've seen better moments in Batman and Robin!

lol j/k

The sad thing with Batman and Robin is that fans knew they were going into a camp direction with Schumacher after Batman Forever.

With X-Men: The Last Stand we were led to believe this would rival Return of the King in terms of the emotion and epic nature of the story, how we were truly deceived.

 

[Cyclops]

Those mother****ing bastards. Come on and lecture us now, Maniac and Nell.

 

[The Guard]

When did anyone "lead you to believe" X3 would rival RETURN OF THE KING?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

When did anyone "lead you to believe" X3 would rival RETURN OF THE KING?

Your love of X3 has blinded you to the point that you don't remember Kinberg, Penn, and Ratner saying this? They said on numerous occasions that the final battle would rival Helms Deep(Two Towers) and the Battle of Pelennor of The Fields(Return of the King obviously).

Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg saying it would rival Lord of the Rings in terms of emotion and epic nature. They said it more than once and a lot of people can acknowledge that they did too.

 

[The Guard]

I remember them saying X3 would be to the X-franchise what RETURN OF THE KING was to LORD OF THE RINGS...but nothing about it actually rivaling it. And even if they had said that, I'm not stupid enough to believe it would come true, word for word. Although there were some absolutely HUGE moments in terms of scale that DID rival anything found in THE LORD OF THE RINGS.

 

[The Guard]

What does me loving X3 have to do with how much I remember about what the writers said months and months ago? I didn't say they never said it or implied it, I pointedly asked you "when" you heard it.

I remember various people saying X3 would be to the X-franchise what RETURN OF THE JEDI was to STAR WARS, and RETURN OF THE KING was to LORD OF THE RINGS...as in it would tie up the loose ends and be an all-out battle at the end, but nothing about it actually rivaling RETURN OF THE KING as a sequence. And even if they had said that (and they may have, but I seriously doubt they meant what you think they meant)... don't believe everything you hear, especially early in production. Although there were some absolutely huge moments in terms of scale that DID more or less rival a lot found in THE LORD OF THE RINGS. Magneto's bridge sequence, Dark Phoenix at the end, etc.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I remember them saying X3 would be to the X-franchise what RETURN OF THE KING was to LORD OF THE RINGS...as in it would be an all-out battle at the end, but nothing about it actually rivaling RETURN OF THE KING. And even if they had said that, I'm not stupid enough to believe it would come true, word for word. Although there were some absolutely huge moments in terms of scale that DID more or less rival a lot found in THE LORD OF THE RINGS. Magneto's bridge sequence, Dark Phoenix at the end, etc.

All of which led to nothing. You can have great action and great effects all you want, but if the story sucks and has no emotion behind it that drives the plot then the film has nothing.

X3 had nothing that rivals anything Lord of the Rings did. Lord of the Rings, the entire trilogy, had spectacular beautiful action that carried with it a sense of sincere true emotion that moved a lot of people. You cared for the characters and when something happened to them you felt for them.

X3, the bridge scene, and Phoenix at the end was just typical eye candy action for those who were bored of Singer's direction.

 

[The Guard]

Opinion. Not a terribly unbiased or accurate one. LOTR had quite a bit of eye candy, too. The bridge sequence and Phoenix...are not just "fluff" moments.

We get it. You hate the movie. Too bad you bought into everything anyone said about it and went in with absurdly high, bright shiny hopes. Must have been disappointing.

 

[The Guard]

And how the hell are Dark Phoenix and the bridge sequences "typical"?

 

[X-Maniac]

Simon Kinberg said X3 would be 'our Return of the King.'

Yes, he was hyping it, but he didn't mean it literally. Anyone who thought he did must be a nutball.

I've discussed this in the Bryan Singer's X3 thread.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Of course someone in the production is going to hype up their own movie.

But I don't ever recall anyone saying it was on the level of Return of the King.

The problem here is that we were all hyping the movie up so much that we all went in with unrealistic expectations. Those expectations weren't met (it'd be impossible to meet the expectations we had for this film), and because of it, you all call it a crap film because it was supposed to be something else.

There in lies the problem. It's being judged for what it wasn't (your's, mine, ours, unrealistic and impossible expectations) instead of judging it for what it was.

I agree with The Guard. In no way does X-Men: The Last Stand compare to Return of the King, or any Lord of the Rings film in terms of overall epic and emotion (X-Men nor X2 were anywhere near those levels either).

However, there are glimpses of X-Men: The Last Stand that are just as impactful to me as some moments of Return of the King. On the whole? No. Not even close. But there are moments.

This film was just as emotional as X-Men or X2. It has some of the most emotionally powerful moments in the trilogy.

Don't agree? That's perfectly fine. It didn't do it for you, for whatever reasons.

But don't fault the film for your unrealistic and impossible expectations.

 

[Cyclops]

Simon Kinberg said X3 would be 'our Return of the King.'

Yes, he was hyping it, but he didn't mean it literally.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

He said it to make us believe that it would be as good as it deserved to be. Well, knowing that it was in no ****ing way even one ninety-ninth as good as it deserved to be, that makes Kinberg a lying son of a *****.

Unless he actually fooled himself into believing it. Which, guessing at his intellect level, is probably not too far out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Cyclops]

But don't fault the film for your unrealistic and impossible expectations.

You're absolutely right. I unrealistically and impossibly expected X-Men: The Last Stand to be a good movie. It's not the movie's fault that it sucked ass.

 

[Seen]

You're absolutely right. I unrealistically and impossibly expected X-Men: The Last Stand to be a good movie. It's not the movie's fault that it sucked ass.

LOL.

 

[The Kid]

I can't believe some find this movie worthy of being scrutinized with a microscope.

My standards for movies aren't in the pompous monocle wearing elite league and I can enjoy a ****ty movie, but this was insulting. Oh how rubbish can something get.... Why is the trailer better than the movie? I don't even mean slightly better. I mean the trailer is EPIC. It's like a real x-men film. The movie ended up being a cheap videogame.

It's even worse when you remember how good things were before.

I pray that no one in hollywood ever rushes a movie out for profit or sacrafices good quality for shortest running time ever again but tragically, I know it will. It's happened for daredevil and fantastic four and it'll happen again... Anyway, just don't celebrate this kind of crap. I want them to view me as a person, not some wallet. I grew up believing we were supposed to aim for excellence and do our best. To watch people praise this wasted potential makes me wonder if there are standards anymore or whether there ever were.

Oh and...

I'm the wesyeed, bich!

 

[X-Maniac]

You're absolutely right. I unrealistically and impossibly expected X-Men: The Last Stand to be a good movie. It's not the movie's fault that it sucked ass.

You sound like you have mental health issues!

You truly are lacking something: perspective!

Seriously, get a grip Cyclops. You're making yourself ill!

 

[X-Maniac]

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

He said it to make us believe that it would be as good as it deserved to be. Well, knowing that it was in no ****ing way even one ninety-ninth as good as it deserved to be, that makes Kinberg a lying son of a *****.

Unless he actually fooled himself into believing it. Which, guessing at his intellect level, is probably not too far out of the realm of possibility.

Dear me, someone is having anger management problems!

You don't like it? Make one better. At least you won't end up drowning in your own bile.

 

[gambitfire]

Why are you still IN HERE TOO!?!

 

[Cyclops]

Dear me, someone is having anger management problems!

You don't like it? Make one better. At least you won't end up drowning in your own bile.

Oh, I love that argument. The whole "your opinion on film is invalid if you can't make a movie yourself."

 

[WorthyStevens]

You sound like you have mental health issues!

You truly are lacking something: perspective!

And you have perspective...?

 

[gambitfire]

Oh, I love that argument. The whole "your opinion on film is invalid if you can't make a movie yourself."

I'll supply the $$ you go ahead and ask the cast if they want to do a reshoot!


t:

 

[Seen]

And you have perspective...?

I second that.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

You're absolutely right. I unrealistically and impossibly expected X-Men: The Last Stand to be a good movie. It's not the movie's fault that it sucked ass.

I totally agree with that. All my expectation was to have a good movie in my hands, nothing more. Even if Cyclops died, or Rogue took the cure, or Phoenix was treated like ****, whatever, if the story was good, I'd be more than happy. But it seems to be impossible and unrealistic to make a good movie.