World Webbing formula

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A resin isn't very specific though. It really depends on the resin, as that is the most important part. Also, you said that the gum was dry before you added the water. By logic, if it was mostly dry, then the resin was the only thing in it. If it was dry, nothing was keeping it a liquid.
 
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It wasn't solid, just very viscous, not really runny as it was before. The resin is resin methyl.
 
hmmm... I really need that resin. So you added water to the mix and it bubbled. Almost all of those items included hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon. Try that experiment again, but hold a match over the container (preferably with tongs). If it lights, it's oxygen. If it doesn't, it's carbon dioxide.
 
hmmm... I really need that resin. So you added water to the mix and it bubbled. Almost all of those items included hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon. Try that experiment again, but hold a match over the container (preferably with tongs). If it lights, it's oxygen. If it doesn't, it's carbon dioxide.
I said before... It is carbon dioxide. I did that already.
 
I did a quick google search to see what I could find on your spirit gum. I think the water is a solvent for the spirit gum. That explains why over time they split apart. The densities of all of the ingredients were different, and the alcohol acted as an emulsifier as well as a solvent, while the water only acted as a solvent. I would try to add some soap and another adhesive. It might keep them together longer.
 
I did a quick google search to see what I could find on your spirit gum. I think the water is a solvent for the spirit gum. That explains why over time they split apart. The densities of all of the ingredients were different, and the alcohol acted as an emulsifier as well as a solvent, while the water only acted as a solvent. I would try to add
some soap and another adhesive. It might keep them together
longer.
Would CA work or any other instabond adhesive compound work? Maybe adding more water or a more intense liquid might increase the strength?
 
Would CA work or any other instabond adhesive compound work? Maybe adding more water or a more intense liquid might increase the strength?

Adding water was what totally solidified it in the first place.
 
So, now that web shooters are close to a horizon, let's talk polymers. I think other than me, Thebatsam is the only person I know that knows anything about polymer research and chemistry.

So I'm going to do a little lesson for this, and maybe it might help us in the rearch.

Everything is composed of atoms. Atoms bond to eachother to form mollecules. Large mollecules with repeating intervals are called monomers. Monomers that get crosslinked are called polymers.

Now a crosslink is a chemical reaction. A chemical reaction is a when bonds are either broken or formed between parts of mollecules or full ones.

There are four or five different kind of bonds. The all fall under the category of single, double, and triple bonds. There are two other bonds that are very unique. There is hydrogen bonding, which is pretty strong, and silicate bonds which are stronger. They are unique bonds that belong to only a few mollecules. SiO2 is one of them. Those are the ones that as hard as diamonds.

Now the bonds we want to focus on are hydrogen bonds. The reason: They create the weirdest properties. In thixotropic (Shear-thinning) and Shear thickening (I don't know the scientific name for that.) fluids, their properties are all based on the fact that small hydrogen bonds will break, and find others close by.

Other atoms that we want include carbon and oxygen. These make up most of everything natural. Carbon is good for strength and oxygen is good for keeping the hydrogens close.

Now another important thing to look out for is Hydroxide. These are ions. Ions are molecules with a charge. They are good for bonding when you can find them. Hydroxide is good because their bonds are easier to replace. They are responsible for most reactions in glues like cyanoacrylate. Also, the more OH- they have, the more biodegradable they are.

As for the issue of biodegradability, there are ways to cause it spontaneously, but it involved creating deoxidized or dehydrolyzed bonds. If it sounds complicated, it's because it is.

Now for functional groups. Most time when chmists mix stuff, they either are guessing, or using functional groups. Functional groups are mollecules that are very common that always bond the same way to other things. They follow rules, and as such, they generally have similar properties.

Finally let's pool this together into this project. We are looking for an adhesive polymer. Now whether this be a property of the strong formula, or it is an additive, I don't know. What I do know is that there are three ways (in our case) where we can make a bond.

We can use natural adhesives called resins. These are proteins that are very good at adhesion. Scientists still can't figure out why this works.

We can use chemical adhesives. These are like cyanoacrylate which are liquid until they make bonds with the two objects that are bonding. This is strong, but brittle.

Finally, there are Van Der Wal forces. These are the forces that allow geckos to climb the ceilings. They are caused by small mollecular bonds interacting with objects on a small scale. In our case hydrogen bonds are forming with an object. Even though the individual force is weak, since there are are so many temporary bonds at once, it makes it strong. If you want a better explanation, type "Gecko Spiderman" into your favorite search engine.

So this is the very watered down, basic explanation, and I'm going to wager that most of you knew most of this already, but it will give you some clues about what you should be looking for.
 
I thought that the Van De Weld (spelling?) would come into play as well as maybe into wall-crawling.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure how that is spelled. There are two seperate projects that are being worked on using those forces (I'll call them VDW forces). One uses carbon nanotubes. The other uses water droplets. I think the water one is more interesting though. It can cause explosions when set to a different setting.

http://www.livescience.com/6038-spider-man-device-humans-walk-walls.html
 
I've been thinking of wall crawling that article is interesting.
 
Alright, well I don't know a lot about chemistry (I never took chemistry in high school except a quick overview for physics) but I do have a lot of free time, so I'm currently devouring as much information about it as I can. Thankfully I have my brother's old high school chemistry book and the teacher's guide, so hopefully I'll be able to contribute a little to the webbing formula...

Also, I made the old webbing formula a while ago(acetone, Styrofoam and contact cement) and I stuck it to the back of my door. It gets very hard once it dries and doesn't break down much. It's fairly brittle and a 1/4 inch thick 'web-line' is pretty easy to break. Rather random, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
 
Thank you White_widow!

-Mr. Hobbitbox

p.s. Do you think I could pressurize a batch of fluid with an air compressor instead of CO2, I'm planning to test how it shoots this weekend.
 
Thank you White_widow!

-Mr. Hobbitbox

p.s. Do you think I could pressurize a batch of fluid with an air compressor instead of CO2, I'm planning to test how it shoots this weekend.

Well Mr. Hobbit box, I think you could pressurize web fluid with an air compressor, but you'd need a small check valve, and a way to either:

A.) Open that check valve.
2.)Have a relief valve.
 
I performed another experiment on the formula today. I tried a cyanoacrylate crosslinking experiment. I tried flour (like cellulose and starch) and borax. Both contain a ton of hydroxide ions. So as it turns out, the flour did nothing, but the borax... The borax was hard as a rock, and it dried within seconds. It was brittle, but i bet that we can modify that. So let's do a little bit of deduction here.

IF Guar gum mixed with borax makes a rubbery, shear thinning polymer,
AND BORAX mixed with Polyvinyl alcohol makes a shear thickening polymer,
AND Cyanoacrylate mixed with Borax makes a hard brittle polymer,
THEN:

Borax would make a great addition to the formula. It increases the crosslinking speed exponentially without causing an exothermic reaction. A mixture of guar gum/polyvinyl alcohol, and cyanoacrylate, and borax might create a formula that is both rock hard and rubbery. While it is in nowise going to be the entire formula, it's a start (though a recommendation: add some serious solvents in there because the borax will bond to the PVA or Guar gum even in water).
 
Wow... Read my mind! I did the same thing, only just with CA!
 
Ye gods, I've done it.
I was messing around, and I do believe I have what we need.
I mixed some nail hole filler (spackling) and cyanocrylate. It dried quickly, and was very fragile. I mixed then Cyanocrylate, spackling, spirit gum, and water. Very strong, but not elastic enough.
Finally, I mixed spackling, Cyanocrylate, spirit gum, soap, denatured alcohol, a little soap, and some Liquid Plumr. I was able to stretch this to over 20 times it's original length. I made a big bowl of it, then pulled out a strip of it and stuck it to a wall. My 200 pound brother grabbed onto it, leaned back, and leaned back almost to the ground. It didn't break.
There is no telling what this stuff could do after being put through a spinneret.
 
What are the proportions that you used for each ingredient? This should be a blast to test if the fluid is how I imagined it.
 
For about 1.5 fl Oz. Well, we have about 1/4 Cyanocrylate, about a tsp of denatured alcohol, 0.1floz spirit gum, 4 droplets of soap, about 2 drops water, rest liquid Plumr. P.S. It doesn't dissolve well, and be careful with Liquid Plumr!
 
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