Well....Shawn Levy is Directing the Flash

[Savage]

Funny, I straight up capitalize the word "how", and you answer the question as a "why". My question was, if you put Jay Garrick in a movie with the other Flashes, how the hell do you connect the characters? Can someone very briefly summarize that for me? How do you make him relative to the story?

I mean, let's say you start with Wally. It's very simple to explain Barry coming before him. Barry was his uncle, Wally got the same powers from the same accident repeated (although that's kinda hokey, that could be changed), and Wally was Barry's sidekick for a while. Barry dies, Wally takes up the mantle. It makes sense, and works as a story.

How do you do that for Jay? I'm genuinley asking here. If you were to make the very first Flash film starring either Barry Allen or Wally West, and you were making a movie for the general audience, who knowns nothing of the Flash, how would Jay fit into that? I mean, if anything i'd give Jay a "cameo" as a fictional comic book character, like he originally was on Earth-One. He gets his powers, remembers the comics he read as a kid, and picks the name Flash.

Thaaat's pretty much all it is...Barry sees the character in the comic and decided to flat out, well, rip him off...or pay homage. Whatever

 

[Movies205]

Jag I'd expect better of you then to form such a shallow opinion that only befits a ******ed comic fanboy.

Shawn Levy's Films

Big Fat Liar
Just Married
Cheaper by the Dozen
Pink Panther
Night at hte Museum
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Let's take a deeper look...

Big Fat Liar is a kid's movie as such can it be taken seriously? Since it's not made for serious cinema.

Just Married- didn't see

Cheaper by the Dozen- Is a family film, what are you expecting? It's made to make money, and it did!

Pink Panther- Steve Martin's pet project, more his fault than Levy's

Up till then, all these movies were very simple gun-for-hire jobs, The Night at the Museum is the only true movie to gauge his skill on. And to be honest as a comedy, it wasn't bad at all and was directed well. Does this mean he's going do good, not by a longshot, however let's keep an open-mind till we get the details since I rather have him than Goyer.

 

[terry78]

Levy can direct action, that much is a given. Half of what he's done has been slapstick, but I've seen his Birds of Prey and First Wave episodes, and they weren't horrible.

 

[toad376]

What you guys think if the film dealt with both Barry Allen and Wally West and the Legacy of the Flash being handed down to Wally, in other words we would only get an origin out of Wally West and Barry Allen would be played by John Wesley Shipp the original barry allen from the tv series, the main villain would be Gorilla Grodd and you would actually get back story on him and the film will introduce Hunter Zolomon and the cosmic treadmill??? tell me what you guys think of that.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I would like to have Barry Allen as the Flash with Jay Garrick as a main character. The villains would be the Rogues (Captain Cold, Mirror Master, Captain Boomerang, the Trickster, Weather Wizard, and Heatwave).

The second one have Professor Zoom as the villain, ending with Barry killing him and Barry dying.

The third one have Wally as the Flash with Gorilla Grodd as the villain.

 

[jaguarr]

Jag I'd expect better of you then to form such a shallow opinion that only befits a ******ed comic fanboy.

Shawn Levy's Films

Big Fat Liar
Just Married
Cheaper by the Dozen
Pink Panther
Night at hte Museum
---
Let's take a deeper look...

Big Fat Liar is a kid's movie as such can it be taken seriously? Since it's not made for serious cinema.

Just Married- didn't see

Cheaper by the Dozen- Is a family film, what are you expecting? It's made to make money, and it did!

Pink Panther- Steve Martin's pet project, more his fault than Levy's

Up till then, all these movies were very simple gun-for-hire jobs, The Night at the Museum is the only true movie to gauge his skill on. And to be honest as a comedy, it wasn't bad at all and was directed well. Does this mean he's going do good, not by a longshot, however let's keep an open-mind till we get the details since I rather have him than Goyer.

jag

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Funny, I straight up capitalize the word "how", and you answer the question as a "why". My question was, if you put Jay Garrick in a movie with the other Flashes, how the hell do you connect the characters? Can someone very briefly summarize that for me? How do you make him relative to the story?

I mean, let's say you start with Wally. It's very simple to explain Barry coming before him. Barry was his uncle, Wally got the same powers from the same accident repeated (although that's kinda hokey, that could be changed), and Wally was Barry's sidekick for a while. Barry dies, Wally takes up the mantle. It makes sense, and works as a story.

How do you do that for Jay? I'm genuinley asking here. If you were to make the very first Flash film starring either Barry Allen or Wally West, and you were making a movie for the general audience, who knowns nothing of the Flash, how would Jay fit into that? I mean, if anything i'd give Jay a "cameo" as a fictional comic book character, like he originally was on Earth-One. He gets his powers, remembers the comics he read as a kid, and picks the name Flash.

No, i didn´t answered as a "why", because the "how" is exactly the same, because he was the first Flash.
By other words, Jay´s connection to the other is the connection of their power.
And the pre-crisis angle sucks, that´s why there was a Crisis on Infinite Earths, because the pre-crisis sucked.
Is not that is totally awful, not if the comic book character that Barry remembered was an original one, but as Jay Garrick, it sucks beyond belief.

I like my idea best...
Is not totally thought out, so bare with me...

Barry Allen gets the powers, but, just because he got them, doesn´t mean he will jump on the idea of being a hero.
That not even crossed his mind.
All of a sudden, he starts being followed, he starts having the feeling he is being watched, that there is someone out there that knows the power he has.
Enter Jay Garrick, he is the man following Barry.
Jay never was the Flash.
He used his powers during the war, but never officially as a hero, always in the shadows; but he created the name, created the suit, just that, after the war, after all that he saw, he was a diferent man.

All in all, i want the first movie to be about Barry, with Jay having a big supporting role.
Contrary to what might seem, Jay will not be Barry´s mentor and teacher, i want the first movie to be a "coming of age" for both characters, with Jay coming out of his melancholy, and Barry becoming The Flash.

 

[tallsy_1]

I have a question for Flash fans. When you talk to non-Flash fans, what do they associate with the Flash? For me, it's Barry's rogues and origin with Wally's personality.

 

[TheVileOne]

Movies being made for families and kids don't really excuse them being crap in my eyes.

His name is Brad Bird.

Just going to be another dumb and ridiculous superhero movie that bombs like Batman and Robin, Catwoman, and LXG.

LXG is probably what the movie will most resemble. A dumb action movie with lots of fast paced action scenes and 'splosions without any of the wit and intelligence of the source material. The changes were made in order to appeal to a wider audience so the movie would make more money. Instead the movie got terrible reviews and bombed.

 

[GL1]

But that´s the thing, a movie can work without Barry, but a movie about the Flash can't.
If you want to make a action/adventure movie, sure it can work just fine, but you will not make a FLASH movie.

So, a movie about Wally isn't a Flash movie? Are you making sense to you? Cuz you're not to me.

To give importance to Barry´s death, to make people care, you have to show him before having the powers, for people to understand the man.
Than, you have to show him after having the powers, to show people the hero he became.
To show just his death, and a resume about his life, is an empty effort for drama, because no one will fu**ing care.

They care about him through Wally, remember, I'm talking about a Wally movie. Barry is his mentor, his father figure who was stolen from him before his time. People care about crap like that all the time.

And this is where you fail, because you lack vision.
You want to have all in one movie, you want to fall in the same problem that Daredevil faced, you want to tell 20 years of the character in one lousy movie.
Wally will not give the best of both worlds, in fact, it will not give the best of his own world, because it will end by being a extremly convulted movie, with much going around, too much information.

Barry was a great hero, Barry died, all-growed-up Wally has to man up and take charge now. Where's the convolution? The vast majority of Barry's career would be ommitted, or easter egged in a Flash Memorial thing.

Why?
I get that you don´t want the movie to start with Barry, but how do you fail to see that it needs a trilogy to tell the life and dead of Barry Allen?
Origin (1st movie)-Hero (2nd movie)- Sacrifice (3rd movie)...is not really that hard to figure out.

Well, if you'd give me reasons instead of pulling "your movie is too convoluted" out of thin air, perhaps I would "figure something out."

And it would suck!
Once again, an extremely convulted movie.
Make a movie about Hal, and make the audience get into the all Green Lantern corps throught his eyes.
Have him battle Sinestro in the second, because, unless you have a full Green Lantern in Hal Jordan, his fight with Sinestro doesn´t have the same dramatic angle.
Read Emerald Dawn, and understand why things can´t be rushed.

Two guys get abducted by Aliens to save the world. Where's the convolution? Hal's fight with Sinestro is not the center of the Green Lantern Universe... putting ten characters on hold or in the background so that we can drag out Hal's saga is... wack.

But i get it now, and that´s what separates me from you and several others...
You want a cool Flash movie, with all excitment and thrills and special effects, with cool action scenes and all that.
That´s why you are fine with Wally being it.
I want for the average joe to get what i love about comics, to understand the characters, to understand and care for what they are watching, to want to come out for more, not because it was a 2h joyride, but because they understood and cared for what they were watching.
I want for people to get out of the theater and saying: NOW I UNDERSTAND, NOW I KNOW WHO HE IS

I want that too, I just want it for Wally. I understand you like Barry, that's fine, but to deny that there's any other way to tell an excellent story... it requires you to blind yourself. It prevents you from giving useful well thought out arguements because you've already decided that it HAS to be Emerald Dawn, it HAS to be Barry Allen's life story... and so even if that's not best, you try and concoct statements to make what is essentially a subjective statement absolutely true...

Do you have an arguement that doesn't involve putting words in my mouth? Or imagining the worst GL Corps or Wally film you can and then pretending that's what I'm proposing?

 

[TheVileOne]

This is all really pointless since Levy's directing the movie, it's not going to work and it will tank.

I doubt this will be a Barry Allen movie either.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

GL1, i´m glad you are not in the movie business...

What don´t you get in the "too convoluted"?
Let´s look at your Flash movie...
It starts with a 15 minute sequence of the life and dead of Barry Allen.
The only thing the audience will retain is that there was a guy name Flash and he died, no one will give a rat´s ass about him or why he died, because there will be no time for people to care.
But, where the audience is still retaining the idea of the 1st Flash, you give them a second.
In the end, people will came out of the theater knowing only that he the main character had a red suit and ran a lot.

That´s too convoluted, when the audience can´t follow what they are watching, due to too much information.
So, they will end on following the hero and the action alone, and the movie will end being no more than an action/popcorn movie.

Two guys get abducted by Aliens to save the world. Where's the convolution? Hal's fight with Sinestro is not the center of the Green Lantern Universe... putting ten characters on hold or in the background so that we can drag out Hal's saga is... wack.

Once again, too convoluted.
The all Green Lantern corps is complex as it is, without giving 2 GL and 10 characters to look at.
And "Two guys get abducted by Aliens to save the world", that´s awful, sounds like a bad sci-fi from the 80´s.
As for Sinestro...
The great thing about Sinestro is Hal Jordan realizing how much he got corrupted by the power he holds, that will only have all complete effect on Hal when he as full understanding of the power he has, not before.
Once again, read Emerald Dawn...

 

[Bug-Eyes]

I think this guy is going to make the Flash blue in color...................(just joking)

 

[GL1]

GL1, i´m glad you are not in the movie business...

What don´t you get in the "too convoluted"?
Let´s look at your Flash movie...
It starts with a 15 minute sequence of the life and dead of Barry Allen.
The only thing the audience will retain is that there was a guy name Flash and he died, no one will give a rat´s ass about him or why he died, because there will be no time for people to care.
But, where the audience is still retaining the idea of the 1st Flash, you give them a second.
In the end, people will came out of the theater knowing only that he the main character had a red suit and ran a lot.

That´s too convoluted, when the audience can´t follow what they are watching, due to too much information.
So, they will end on following the hero and the action alone, and the movie will end being no more than an action/popcorn movie.

That's not my Flash movie. Period. Like I said, putting words in my mouth and imagining the worst Wally movie and pretending it's my idea.

Once again, too convoluted.
The all Green Lantern corps is complex as it is, without giving 2 GL and 10 characters to look at.
And "Two guys get abducted by Aliens to save the world", that´s awful, sounds like a bad sci-fi from the 80´s.
As for Sinestro...
The great thing about Sinestro is Hal Jordan realizing how much he got corrupted by the power he holds, that will only have all complete effect on Hal when he as full understanding of the power he has, not before.
Once again, read Emerald Dawn...

Every movie has more than 10 characters to look at. No one's saying ED isn't a good book, or that it doesn't have strong points, or that ED won't be ommitted if we don't take a Hal-is-THE-Green Lantern perspective... what I'm saying is that a Hal-trilogy omits and marginalizes fully equal characters like John and Kyle.

Nothing going on in the Corps is beyond what you'll find in any good sci-fi/fantasy film. We don't need Hal Jordan to introduce us to the world any more than we needed the first "The One" to introduce us to the Matrix or the first human Jedi to introduce us to Star Wars.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

To make things short, what i want is for people to know how things started and care for it, what you want is to tell your own version, omitting important stuff or reducing to mere flashbacks or 15 minute introduction sequence.
And i´m not putting things in your mouth, you are, by saying that you would make a movie about Wally, with flashbacks or whatever of Barry.
And if i´m wrong, explain that, not defend yourself with stuff like, "but i didn´t said that".
And, what about Jay Garrick?
Is he going to be a mere flashback?
You do understand that a situation told in flashback is great, an all character´s life and dead is not, right?

Nothing going on in the Corps is beyond what you'll find in any good sci-fi/fantasy film. We don't need Hal Jordan to introduce us to the world any more than we needed the first "The One" to introduce us to the Matrix or the first human Jedi to introduce us to Star Wars.

I shouldn´t be telling you this, you should know it for yourself, but the thing is, it doesn´t matter if who introduces you to the corps, because the movie is not about that.
It´s about the Green Lantern, the hero, not the agent of an intergalactic force.
It´s about how he got the powers, how he handled them, and how he figured out there is more out there than meets the eye.
It´s about who he is (character), not what he is (power); all comic books are about the man behind the mask, and i have the feeling that this is where you are having a hard time.

 

[GL1]

To make things short, what i want is for people to know how things started and care for it, what you want is to tell your own version, omitting important stuff or reducing to mere flashbacks or 15 minute introduction sequence.
And i´m not putting things in your mouth, you are, by saying that you would make a movie about Wally, with flashbacks or whatever of Barry.
And if i´m wrong, explain that, not defend yourself with stuff like, "but i didn´t said that".
And, what about Jay Garrick?
Is he going to be a mere flashback?
You do understand that a situation told in flashback is great, an all character´s life and dead is not, right?

So you want to feel free to make whatever rediculous claims and I have to prove systematically why what you're saying that i said is untrue, even though you yourself can look back through the thread? Boo.

Why would I try and tell Barry's whole life and Death in a Flashback... the audience would come away knowing three things about Barry: 1) He was an awesome classic (read: Silver age styled) superehero. 2) He loved Wally and was an awesome mentor 3) He died heroically saving the world.

That's not his whole life, just the parts that are important to Wally's part of the story. If I did use Jay, Johnny or Max I would actually use them as sort of the WWII or Vietnam era retirees from speeding, even if they had one or two more fights left in them.

I think the important thing that you don't get is that I'd be translating CHRACTERS and SITUATIONS to movies, not CONTINUITY... I hope you know the difference.

I shouldn´t be telling you this, you should know it for yourself, but the thing is, it doesn´t matter if who introduces you to the corps, because the movie is not about that.
It´s about the Green Lantern, the hero, not the agent of an intergalactic force.
It´s about how he got the powers, how he handled them, and how he figured out there is more out there than meets the eye.
It´s about who he is (character), not what he is (power); all comic books are about the man behind the mask, and i have the feeling that this is where you are having a hard time.

Once again, that's not my movie. My Ensemble GL movie would examine how men use power, and it would be about heroes who are also agents of an corps. It is about their growth process. It just happens NOT to be only about Hal doing so. Comparsion by contrast is a method I learned in the foruth grade, have you heard of it?

You know where you're having a hard time? You can't conceive of a movie other than ED doing GL justice... you've been brainwashed to think "this is GL done right" and anything that isn't ED automatically must have everything else wrong as well, even though it COULD actually be better.

 

[imagine12]

Well, I don't know too much about the flash but, I do know that when you hire a guy who's only done comedy, you get comedy, or at the very least novicely produced action(FANTASTIC FOUR). The studios just keep on hiring filmmakers who have no experience in action or in making artisticly made films.

Ya they do every once and a while, brian singer, ang lee, chris nolan, but then they hire guys like Mark steven johnson, and TIM STORY?? Yes goyers Blade did suck so i'm glad he's off but Levy? Flash should be relatively light but by no means comical, sometimes the studios need to look past the dollar value of a filmmaker and consider whether that artist is really suited for a particular character. I mean they would never have asked van gough to paint the sistine chapel, unless of course the pope wanted finger painting.

 

[The Guard]

Not sure what it has to do with Levy, but interesting nonetheless. I can see both points of view. For the longest time, GREEN LANTERN was almost essentially about Hal Jordan, even in stories with the Corps.

But there's no reason both Hal and the Corps cannot be satisfactorally featured in a series of GREEN LANTERN films. Or that Hal, Kyle and John (and even Kilowog, Tomar-Re, Guy Gardner, and others...Gnort?) cannot play a role. But I think, from WB's perspective, Hal Jordan is their most marketable Green Lantern right now. DC brought Hal back in the comic world, and it wasn't just because comic book fans clamored for it. I'm all for a Hal-centric series, since he's just a great, great character, and in part because John Stewart has more than been given his due on JUSTICE LEAGUE. Kyle Rayner deserves a shot in the new franchise, but I don't know that he should be the main player.

 

[Katsuro]

Well, I don't know too much about the flash but, I do know that when you hire a guy who's only done comedy, you get comedy, or at the very least novicely produced action(FANTASTIC FOUR). The studios just keep on hiring filmmakers who have no experience in action or in making artisticly made films.

Ya they do every once and a while, brian singer, ang lee, chris nolan, but then they hire guys like Mark steven johnson, and TIM STORY?? Yes goyers Blade did suck so i'm glad he's off but Levy? Flash should be relatively light but by no means comical, sometimes the studios need to look past the dollar value of a filmmaker and consider whether that artist is really suited for a particular character. I mean they would never have asked van gough to paint the sistine chapel, unless of course the pope wanted finger painting.

I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that Levy has flat out said himself that the movie will not be a comedy, but rather a more light-hearted action movie. Just throwing that out there. So whether or not you think Levy can do a good action movie, stop worrying that this is going to be a comedy, because it's not.

 

[terry78]

There are directors that have done comedies before and gone on to do some great dramatic works, so I don't see what the issue is.

 

[Two-Face]

I just read it on Latino Review while I was checking to see if they have Bat-news when I saw the Flash news great there is a movie after all David Goyer left but what WB did is not great but we see and I would have liked seen David Goyer's version of the Flash Gordon.

 

[Steelsheen]

I just read it on Latino Review while I was checking to see if they have Bat-news when I saw the Flash news great there is a movie after all David Goyer left but what WB did is not great but we see and I would have liked seen David Goyer's version of the Flash Gordon.

punctuation marks are your friends.

 

[Two-Face]

I just read it on Latino Review, while I was checking to see if they have Bat-news when I saw the Flash news, great there is a movie after all David Goyer left What WB did is not great but we see and I would have liked seen David Goyer's version of the Flash Gordon.


EDIT Is it good now sir?

 

[Steelsheen]

eh, could still be better

whatever dude. i know your posts. i'll take it you're tired today.

 

[griffolyon12]

I know many people are upset about this,but I actually think Shawn Levy is the right guy for the job.Just because he's never directed a film like this doesn't mean he can't do it.I believe he could deliver a really awesome Flash film.