The Dark Knight Well....this is intresting? (Joker news)

[The-Night]

Lol, I actually think that is a figure. Not sure but I just found it on google. Here's a real painted pic:

I also like his Joker facial features. Not to overdone but definitely represents Joker.

I'm thinking his skin will be bleached like Micheal Jackson or Marilyn Manson and maybe a white or Dark Violet button shirt, sleevs rolled up and black pants. Not to fancy, but still diffrent!

 

[Mr. Socko]

In no particular order...

I've been saying this since 2001, WB is extremely interested in Jude Law being The Joker. People keep telling me I'm wrong, but I'm going to laugh my ass off when Jude Law gets cast as The Joker or ends up as one of the finalists.

It continues to amaze me how much some fans of the Batman mythos do not understand the Batman mythos. The 1989 Joker was incredibly in character and ripped almost right out of the comics, save for the fact that he killed the Waynes. Now, I am not going to be real pleased if The Joker is another "Scarecrow" effort. But I doubt that will happen. I am also not going to be pleased if the plot of BATMAN 2 is one of those "Jeph Loeb style" gang war stories. I am also pretty sure that's not going to happen. I imagine Joker will feature in both Batman 2 and 3, and 3 will be the "Long Halloween" style story. However, this stuff about the Joker being mysterious and striking from the shadows some of you keep piping...go read a comic book and give me a break. The Joker sees and dresses himself as a killer clown. That's one reason he essentially named himself via the calling cards. I don't mind if only his presence is felt for a while, but then his PRESENCE needs to be felt. I don't mind if he's a bit more realistic (I.E, a man who actually wears makeup and dyes his hair as he was in my incomplete Batman 3 script), but he needs to be IN CHARACTER.

I'm not sure why MASK OF THE PHANTASM is even being brought up. That's one of the worst usages of The Joker I've ever seen. And he was hardly mysterious in that. He was quite flamboyant, actually.

And Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor does not have a small amount of screentime in SUPERMAN RETURNS. I'm told he has about as much screentime as Magneto had in X-MEN. He's a very large part of the movie.

In conclusion, Chris Nolan and David Goyer brought us an 80's Batman without the camp. Nolan is a huge fan of that era of the Batman comics. Ten bucks we're going to see an 80's style Joker without the camp.

I don't agree on having The Joker wearing makeup and dying his hair. Maybe you just do not understand the Batman mythos, but The Joker has always visually been the same. His skin is permanently bleached, his hair is green, and he has bright red lips. That is one of the most special things about him. It on top of his wife dying is what made him The Joker. If he didn't fall into those chemicals and come out as he did, then he'd still be a normal man, just with his wife dead. You see what I'm saying?

 

[CConn]

I don't agree on having The Joker wearing makeup and dying his hair. Maybe you just do not understand the Batman mythos, but The Joker has always visually been the same. His skin is permanently bleached, his hair is green, and he has bright red lips. That is one of the most special things about him. It on top of his wife dying is what made him The Joker. If he didn't fall into those chemicals and come out as he did, then he'd still be a normal man, just with his wife dead. You see what I'm saying?

...not really. The Joker is an insane psychopath who looks like a clown. As long as the essence remains the same (that something happens to him when he falls into the acid - in this case, his skin being bleached), I really don't see why it'd be a big deal if Nolan made it so Joker was the one that made himself look even more like a clown. It would certainly be fitting with the Joker's trademark vanity, and he would still be the white face/green hair/red lip psychopath we all know and love. Visually, at least.

 

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As long as his skin is still bleached

And maybe his hair still be green....so you can have rain scenes for a long period of time

 

[Mr. Socko]

...not really. The Joker is an insane psychopath who looks like a clown. As long as the essence remains the same (that something happens to him when he falls into the acid - in this case, his skin being bleached), I really don't see why it'd be a big deal if Nolan made it so Joker was the one that made himself look even more like a clown. It would certainly be fitting with the Joker's trademark vanity, and he would still be the white face/green hair/red lip psychopath we all know and love. Visually, at least.

Guard said "wearing makeup" as in "no chemicals bleaching him". I just got the idea that Guard wanted Joker to be a normal crazy guy who wears makeup like Boy George.

As long as his skin is bleached, I'll be fine if he dyes the hair and uses lipstick. Although many people will come to the assumption that he's gay if he puts on lipstick and there's no Harley.

But he fell in chemicals not acid, huge difference. Acid would have burned him to a skeleton.

But I got to go, I'll bbl.

 

[CConn]

As long as his skin is still bleached

And maybe his hair still be green....so you can have rain scenes for a long period of time

I agree. In fact, I'd be a bit disappointed (as disappointed as a straight man can be over lipstick ) if the red lipstick was anything but lipstick.

Guard said "wearing makeup" as in "no chemicals bleaching him". I just got the idea that Guard wanted Joker to be a normal crazy guy who wears makeup like Boy George.

Holy ****, you're right. I dunno where I was getting what I was getting from. Joker needs to have his skin bleeched, at least.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I've been saying this since 2001, WB is extremely interested in Jude Law being The Joker. People keep telling me I'm wrong, but I'm going to laugh my ass off when Jude Law gets cast as The Joker or ends up as one of the finalists.

You've predicted it, but what do you think of Jude Law as a candidate?

It continues to amaze me how much some fans of the Batman mythos do not understand the Batman mythos. The 1989 Joker was incredibly in character and ripped almost right out of the comics, save for the fact that he killed the Waynes and wasn't physically perfect for the role.

I'm not too familiar with the comics of that particular era, but I feel The Joker in B89, while an adequate rendition, didn't capture the core of the character at all. For starters, Burton didn't capitalize on The Joker's obsession with Batman. Instead, we got the reverse, a Batman that has a greater obssesion with The Joker. And while Burton more or less nailed the manic nature and attitude of The Joker, he didn't showcase the cunning and sinister intentions behind the maniacal psychopath. I suppose you could say that we caught "glimpses" of it at certain points of B89, but the overall performance of Nicholson as The Joker didn't strike me to be the greatest villain of all time.

Accordingly, I hope that the sequel to BB will strive to bring the best of both worlds and theerfore give us a faithful interpretation of The Joker.

Now, I am not going to be real pleased if The Joker is another "Scarecrow" effort. But I doubt that will happen.

I hope you're right. But what do you make of this news that The Joker has a "small" part?

However, this stuff about the Joker being mysterious and striking from the shadows some of you keep piping...go read a comic book and give me a break. The Joker sees and dresses himself as a killer clown. That's one reason he essentially named himself via the calling cards. I don't mind if only his presence is felt for a while, but then his PRESENCE needs to be felt.

Agreed.

I don't mind if he's a bit more realistic (I.E, a man who actually wears makeup and dyes his hair as he was in my incomplete Batman 3 script), but he needs to be IN CHARACTER.

I wouldn't like that, no.

I'm not sure why MASK OF THE PHANTASM is even being brought up. That's one of the worst usages of The Joker I've ever seen. And he was hardly mysterious in that. He was quite flamboyant, actually.

Really? The performance, along with the actual film itself, is one of the most revered by fans. I know I loved it.

Although the The Joker himself wasn't veiled in mystery like in ROTJ, his past and connection to the Beaumont conspiracy was certainly presented as a mystery; his involvement with the whole story was a uncertain until the end.

In conclusion, Chris Nolan and David Goyer brought us an 80's Batman without the camp. Nolan is a huge fan of that era of the Batman comics. Ten bucks we're going to see an 80's style Joker without the camp.

I just hope everything turns out ok. There's a lot of room to go wrong with The Joker.

 

[Rynan]

I hope you're right. But what do you make of this news that The Joker has a "small" part?

I think people are misinterping this. I belive they mean in regards to "Batman 86'" or screen time, not his role in the plot. Sure, he might not be the main focus of the movie, but there's going to be enough of him there for people to be happy.

I guarantee it.

And what's with this dying hair and lipstick funny business? I don't think BB2 is gonna skimp out on us on the fact of The Joker being The Joker. Green hair, red lips, white skin, the works.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I think people are misinterping this. I belive they mean in regards to "Batman 86'" or screen time, not his role in the plot. Sure, he might not be the main focus of the movie, but there's going to be enough of him there for people to be happy.

I guarantee it.

And what's with this dying hair and lipstick funny business? I don't think BB2 is gonna skimp out on us on the fact of The Joker being The Joker. Green hair, red lips, white skin, the works.

It's a possibility that Nolan, in trying to create a compelling story, will opt to have The Joker put on lipstick, dye his hair, and powder his skin. It's not about "realism," but about whether or not certain things are necessary to the story-telling...

Goyer and Nolan clashed over this in BB. If I remember correctly, Nolan once tried to have Scarecrow without a mask at all; it was Goyer who convinced him to have the mask. This is why I am a little worried about Goyer not being completely involved.

 

[Katsuro]

With all this talk about Joker dying his hair or using lipstick, I have to ask: Does anybody actually care to watch a scene where Joker dyes his hair? I dont think a scene like that would be very important to the story. Or maybe we could see him stealing green hair dye! Lol, the point is, Joker should have green hair, and who cares why. Don't explain it, just have it be. We know from the card at the end of BB that he's already been created, so just leave his origin a mystery. His skin is white, his hair is green, and his lips are red, with no explanation as to why. If anything, show a very brief flashback to a guy falling into chemicals and leave it at that.

 

[The Fallen]

It's a possibility that Nolan, in trying to create a compelling story, will opt to have The Joker put on lipstick, dye his hair, and powder his skin. It's not about "realism," but about whether or not certain things are necessary to the story-telling...

Goyer and Nolan clashed over this in BB. If I remember correctly, Nolan once tried to have Scarecrow without a mask at all; it was Goyer who convinced him to have the mask. This is why I am a little worried about Goyer not being completely involved.

That's quite possible. However what's stopping Nolan from picking up the phone and asking Goyer "What should I do with the Joker costume wise?" or something like that. I'm sure they hammered out this sort of thing when they wrote the outline for the trilogy. Also John Nolan will have a say too, as well as WB.

 

[Rynan]

It's a possibility that Nolan, in trying to create a compelling story, will opt to have The Joker put on lipstick, dye his hair, and powder his skin. It's not about "realism," but about whether or not certain things are necessary to the story-telling...

Goyer and Nolan clashed over this in BB. If I remember correctly, Nolan once tried to have Scarecrow without a mask at all; it was Goyer who convinced him to have the mask. This is why I am a little worried about Goyer not being completely involved.

Didn't Nolan assure us that The Joker will be The Joker? I know I read it somewhere. Oh well.

It is a possibility, though I think a very slim one. I think Nolan learned a bit from Goyer about displaying comic characters on screen. And unless it comes up in the script, I don't think we need to worry. Goyer wrote the draft and Jonah right now is probably reading every comic he can find to get a better understanding of Batman's world to write the script. Personally, I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal that The Joker looks the way he looks, maybe an off hand comment about it, but I think that's about it. I don't think they(Batman,Dent,Gordon) are going to have the time to dwell on a man's apperance.

Also, I think Nolan knows better that to mess with a good character. The scarecrow's one thing, The Joker is another story.

 

[Mr. Socko]

It's a possibility that Nolan, in trying to create a compelling story, will opt to have The Joker put on lipstick, dye his hair, and powder his skin. It's not about "realism," but about whether or not certain things are necessary to the story-telling...

That is just stupid. If he opts to have the Joker put on lipstick, dye his hair, and powder his skin, then it all better be natural. If not then Nolan has no idea what he is doing. A normal white guy who kills people is not The Joker, he's Hannibal Lector. The Joker just must have those qualities or he's not even "The Joker"

With all this talk about Joker dying his hair or using lipstick, I have to ask: Does anybody actually care to watch a scene where Joker dyes his hair? I dont think a scene like that would be very important to the story. Or maybe we could see him stealing green hair dye! Lol, the point is, Joker should have green hair, and who cares why. Don't explain it, just have it be. We know from the card at the end of BB that he's already been created, so just leave his origin a mystery. His skin is white, his hair is green, and his lips are red, with no explanation as to why. If anything, show a very brief flashback to a guy falling into chemicals and leave it at that.

I couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Game Player]

With all this talk about Joker dying his hair or using lipstick, I have to ask: Does anybody actually care to watch a scene where Joker dyes his hair? I dont think a scene like that would be very important to the story. Or maybe we could see him stealing green hair dye! Lol, the point is, Joker should have green hair, and who cares why. Don't explain it, just have it be. We know from the card at the end of BB that he's already been created, so just leave his origin a mystery. His skin is white, his hair is green, and his lips are red, with no explanation as to why. If anything, show a very brief flashback to a guy falling into chemicals and leave it at that.

The perfect post

 

[zer00]

With all this talk about Joker dying his hair or using lipstick, I have to ask: Does anybody actually care to watch a scene where Joker dyes his hair? I dont think a scene like that would be very important to the story. Or maybe we could see him stealing green hair dye! Lol, the point is, Joker should have green hair, and who cares why. Don't explain it, just have it be. We know from the card at the end of BB that he's already been created, so just leave his origin a mystery. His skin is white, his hair is green, and his lips are red, with no explanation as to why. If anything, show a very brief flashback to a guy falling into chemicals and leave it at that.

 

[The Fallen]

Where as all this talk of Joker wearing lipstick and dyeing his hair come from? I've personally never read anything to suggest this will happened for sure. This strays too far from the mythos and I personally do not like the idea of this happening. Where would they get the idea to do this from?

 

[Rynan]

Where as all this talk of Joker wearing lipstick and dyeing his hair come from? I've personally never read anything to suggest this will happened for sure. This strays too far from the mythos and I personally do not like the idea of this happening. Where would they get the idea to do this from?

It's from a long time ago, when "Carvers" used to roam the forums. Someone suggested that The Joker be a kind of drag queen, with make-up and wigs and such.

I ****ing hated those times.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Lol

We're all sticking with Kat's idea for now, well everyone who knows what's good for them.

 

[The Fallen]

With all this talk about Joker dying his hair or using lipstick, I have to ask: Does anybody actually care to watch a scene where Joker dyes his hair? I dont think a scene like that would be very important to the story. Or maybe we could see him stealing green hair dye! Lol, the point is, Joker should have green hair, and who cares why. Don't explain it, just have it be. We know from the card at the end of BB that he's already been created, so just leave his origin a mystery. His skin is white, his hair is green, and his lips are red, with no explanation as to why. If anything, show a very brief flashback to a guy falling into chemicals and leave it at that.

This is exactly how I feel in relation to The Joker's look and origin.

 

[Dark Knight]

Alex Ross Joker: Perfect in about every sense.

Sweet!

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Sometimes I wonder if any of you actually were able to comprehend what was said through the movie. I think it is you fans complaining about the "realism", that are taking it too far. No one ever said these movies were realistic. They said they used 'verisimilitude' to enhance and make the world and mythos in which Batman operates to feel more real. Giving a good backstory, and brief explanations to how and why the characters are doing the things they do is a testement to that. No one is making anything out in this movie to be super realistic. Yet they also wanted it to be taken seriously. I hear people on here saying everything was too real, and it took the fun out of it. WTF?? Is a man with a cape that turns into a glider realistic? Or how about a giant bat-demon, spawned from a fear gas? My father while watching it thought it was the most creative one to date, and was 'wowed' by scenes such as the fear gas sequences, yet still thought it was the most grounded and believeable. And that is because it copy and pasted the essence and feel from any good Batman graphic novel. It had perfect mixture of fun and seriousness. Would you be able to take seriously a villain, who is an old science professor, skinny and dresses in a complete Scarecrow garb? Hell No. There would be no reason for it. And what's there to complain about Scarecrow's mask? It is the same thing in the comics. The only time it changes in looks, is when someone is on fear gas. There would be no point for him to wear the skin tight letard and farmer hat to complete the look. It's just the mask that is meant to turn into a fear inducing device. That's part of the fun of seeing these characters in live action, potrayed by real people...you get a more realistic take on how they function and what they would look and dress like in our real world. This isn't a cartoon. If you just want all the glits and glamore, and elaborate costumes with neat colors...stick to the comics and cartoon mediums. Do you have any idea how ridiculous Ra's would look, dressed in his comic book attire? You wouldn't be able to take him seriously either. But for all you whining and moaning about the realistic-ness of it all, did you not catch the theme clearly presented in the final act of the movie? Things are escelated now... there is a man who dresses as a Bat to fight crime...fear gas effected a good portion of the city...there are crazies on the loose, who are now haunted by a gigantic black monster they saw flying in the night... This gives a logical explanation as to why people will now be fixated on this bat-monster, and why the crimes are escelating to match the enforcement and justice. Get the big picture here?

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Guard said "wearing makeup" as in "no chemicals bleaching him". I just got the idea that Guard wanted Joker to be a normal crazy guy who wears makeup like Boy George.

As long as his skin is bleached, I'll be fine if he dyes the hair and uses lipstick. Although many people will come to the assumption that he's gay if he puts on lipstick and there's no Harley.

But he fell in chemicals not acid, huge difference. Acid would have burned him to a skeleton.

But I got to go, I'll bbl.

Who cares if people think he is gay? I think that would make him to be even more creepy. I mean, he has been hinted at as being a homosexual numerous times in the comics. That or he has a REALLY HUGE man-crush on Batman.

 

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[El Payaso]

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[Digital_Ashes]

Weaving anyone?

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