The press conference incident I think was meant to show Wolverine's flaw as a leader more than anything. But that incident was meant to save Senator Kelly's life and not create public outcry. The Brotherhood instigated it and it was setup as a trap by Rogue. The pummeling was merely trying to escape and help his team members get to safety.
I don't know, man. Wolverine looks for any excuse to pummel MRD soldiers. Which is in his character, of course. They're locking up innocent mutants, so why not be ticked at them? But, again, it then seems hypocritical when Logan turns around and treats Cyke as the worst X-Man ever for, basically, acting like "old Wolverine used to".
To answer your questions, yes I feel he has. The warehouse incident with Gambit, that was private property where lots of people/witnesses were not around, and they were dealing with something that could threaten all of mutantkind if he did not intervene. He was acting selflessly. There was nothing selfless about Cyclops's actions.
I agree that Cyclops was trying to save Jean more than anything; he stated that "the thought of her in a lab was too much" and that was why he overreacted. I still say it is less selfish that ditching the team for days because you remembered some random flashback about a cabin, without any details about where he is. What if Magneto attacked the city?
Cyclops was trashing the city, I am aware. At least until you realize most viewers don't fault Superman for destroying half of Metropolis in some of his battles, punching Darkseid or Doomsday through buildings without much of a care.
1. Wolverine did not remember that.
2. That was before he joined the X-men.
3. When Wolverine figured out that Maverick had a daughter he tried to abort the mission, but he was then knocked out by Sabretooth.
4. He tried to help the daughter later in life.
5. Cyclops' intent was not to save Berserker's life, he was acting for his own selfish reasoning.
Wolverine was NOT there to save Maverick's daughter. He was there to explore his own past. The fact that she was still hanging around the shack a decade or so later was a pure coincidence. Much as Cyclops being around to save Berserker was. Neither of them intended to save the kids in their respective adventures, but it still happened. I am aware there were differences of course, but results are results.
OK, but Emma Frost telepathied Harpoon and said he doesn't know the location of Jean. It was not a good lead. Cyclops was too steadfast and angry about it. Cyclops convinced himself that Sinister had Jean which he didn't. Cyclops put himself before the team, which Wolverine does not do. Wolverine puts the team ahead of himself.
Like he did when Future Xavier almost BEGGED Wolverine to keep his eye on the ball and not go riding around in Canada on some personal quest when the challenge was to prevent the dark future from happening. Yeah, Wolverine REALLY put the team first there.
Wolverine makes mistakes and that's the point. The guy's human and the point is that he's not a perfect leader. When Fury threatened the team, he did what he had to avoid their exposure. He was hardly taking a lengthy leave of absence. Leaders aren't always around 100% of the time.
See, here is the thing; Cyclops made mistakes and EVERY CHARACTER called him on it. Whenever Logan makes a mistake, aside for a snide wisecrack from Emma Frost, NO ONE CARES. That is the difference and I think it is a bit underwhelming. If you don't complain when a leader leads you into a ditch, you have no right to complain about how wet it is.
I didn't bring up the Hulk fight because, as you said, Nick Fury manipulated him into it. That was fine.
Cyclops isn't even leader, and somehow his leaving the team on a personal quest is worse because he tore up some streets instead of a Canadian forest. Gotcha.
When Rogue was being attacked and pursued by a sentinel prowler he was there to help.
I think you are missing the point. Wolverine is there for Rogue. But for Rogue, Wolverine is NOT there the way she wants him to be if you get the drift. That's what she is angry about. Rogue wants to jump him.
I am aware of that, but Logan wasn't there when Rogue returned to the Mansion with info about Magneto, and probably was so disheartened about the Brotherhood she may have rejoined. But where was Logan? In Canada, researching an obscure flashback. He wasn't looking for a captured X-Person or trying to rescue anyone. He was there because he was appalled at the thought of having killed someone and not remembering it, and wanted to learn more. Some could say a real leader would have sucked it up and stayed at the Mansion. Maverick's daughter would have still waited and Sabretooth would not have been sicced on them. It isn't as different as you seem to make it.
I think you are wrong. At the end of the episode, I felt that Cyclops saw the error of his ways and he's going to change it around. I don't think he's given up on finding Jean, but I feel he is going to put his mind back on the team rather than just staying there because he might find Jean that way.
I thought it was unfair of Logan to give Cyclops an ultimatum in the way that he did. Again, if the roles were reversed, Logan would NEVER have accepted an ultimatum from Xavier or Scott saying, "either stay here or go look for your past up north, but you can't do both". Please. Logan does both all the bloody time. It just seemed to me that Logan came off as being comfortable with the idea that Jean was dead and not caring about finding her at all. Scott is the one who asked Emma to search, after all. I thought when Cyclops informs Logan of his plan to track Jean, he was trying to get Logan's aid because he thought he would care about finding her, too. I agree, it was a bad lead. But there is a part of me that wonders...after all, if Scott has Jean back, Logan wouldn't need to be leader anymore because Scott would be more stable. Has he gotten too used to calling the shots without question? He doesn't want to even risk giving it up? I mean, hey, why not? I'm not saying Logan is a bad character if he is flawed or makes mistakes. I am saying, by god, let's have a character call him on it, let's explore it. Instead every character knowtows to Logan and makes his leadership role more boring as a viewer.
I mean, cripes, characters challenged CAPTAIN ****ING AMERICA in ULTIMATE AVENGERS 1 & 2. They called him when they thought he was being a tool as a leader. That makes for dramatic stuff.
OK, but in this particular scene it wouldn't have been prudent for Cyclops who was feeling like an ass already for recognizing his selfish behavior to continue acting that way. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and Cyclops rightfully kept his mouth shut.
Please. You know Cyclops will never question Logan again. Hell, he barely questioned him before.
The irony is that THIS was the first time that the dynamic of the two switching roles was really explored, and I kind of liked it. Cyclops as the lone wolf, impulsive, angry one and Logan stuck in that leader role trying to hold the ship together. I just don't think enough has been done with it, and it could have been done a bit better up until this point. It worked better than I thought it would, but it's over about when it began.
I know some of you have seen tortured pathos in those 75 seconds of prior Cyclops things from 11 episodes, but I didn't see a tree stump and mistake it for a forest. I saw bare bones character details to nudge us and remind us of the arc while we patiently awaited episode 12. Like, "oh, yeah, Scott is being boring because he misses Jean, don't forget". Now that Scott has been made to put aside his search, he'll be back to being boring. It's a team show. Everyone only gets one focus episode. I know the rules.
But, hey, Storm's in the same boat, and Cyclops had a MUCH better focus episode. The fights in this episode all but overcame his last defining moment in animation, which was standing his ground against Juggernaut in EVOLUTION Season 3, "Stuff of Heroes". It's underwhelming, but better to have one great focus episode than none at all.
The writers are up against a wall here; Cyclops' entire motive, or lack of one, was Jean. He was a mute, sulking mess because Jean wasn't there and Xavier had picked a new quarter-back. His anger and bitterness about it was his only defining quality, which only came up when he seemed to blast Logan any chance he got ("Hindsight Part 2" and "Greetings from Genosha"). Now we have had his obsession and rage with Jean reach a focal point and come to a dramatic head, and Cyclops has relented and agreed to give it up for the good of the team (or because Logan threatened him). Now what does he have? Nothing. But, hey, I'm grateful for the awesome episode we did get, really.
Maybe it's his love or devotion to another woman or maybe she also wants to jump Scott.
But the riddle is WHY Emma wants to jump Scott here. He clearly is into Jean and sees her as a means to that end. He's so much of a wreck he lets Logan or even Kitty pull his strings. Aside for cleaning up well he doesn't have too many attractive qualities here. Sure "Scott's a good person" but he hasn't acted terribly good in this show. That's kind of the edge. He was in Logan's position, going off half baked on something, a hunch. Scott never talks to anyone unless it is about Jean. He's a husk. Unless she is abiding by the mistaken theory that women like emo's.
I'm counting it. The 90's show still had Captain America, remember?
I vaguely remember Spider-man's hand and War Machine popping up in 90's toon.
I didn't bring up Spider-Man because the 90's X-Men crossed over in his own show twice (once with the whole team for "The Mutant Agenda" and then with just Storm for "Secret Wars"). And I did remember the Capt. America team up episode. Considering Logan is the star here, I will be surprised if Cap doesn't show up eventually.
And of course YOU would count it. You consider AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND as proof for never seeing the Maximoff's as Avengers ever again. "Hey, they just did that in 1999, and it sucked!"
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