The Dark Knight What are your biggest Dark Knight Fears?

Two Face said:
Campy for TDK? No I don't think so. I think TDK will be better then BB since Begins was an Batman origin so TDK will focus on more Bruce as Batman or more on Bruce as well and making mistakes but learning the mistakes along the way that he will become "The Dark Knight"
I feel that BB will probably be better than TDK because it was an origin story. I think there will be less story and they will spend more time on the Gadgets and the action.
 
Visionary said:
Personally, not only do I not like Pretty-Boy Ledger playing The Joker, because he looks too young--and would make a better Robin or Nightwing. But, I don't like the idea of THE JOKER in the sequel, period. One reason is, The Joker is too ubiquitous as Lex Luther is in Superman's methos (in various mediums) it's a 'been there, done that' kind of thing.

I also hate the idea of Two-Face (rumored) to be in the film, none of these characters can fight Batman. And after the blurry, choppy and lack lusting fight scenes in BB, I was hoping for a physical challenge that would bring about the greatest fighter in comics within in The Dark Knight.

I was hoping for both KILLER CROC (disturbed and animalistic), whom would surely bring out every ounce of fighting technique--that Batman has learned to take him down. And MR. FREEZE, who's not only highly intelligent, but can also give Batman a go with the physical fights, among other things. Both characters also call for a lot of detective work into their backgrounds.

This is what I wanted to see in THE DARK KNIGHT. I just hope most people don't feel the same way, or we could have another Superman Returns on our hands. Lex Luthor being the main villain, was just one of the things that put a nail in the heart of that film.:dry:


I am glad that both Joker and Two Face will be in it but the villian I want to see the most would be Bane I think Nolan could do something amazing with the Bane and Batman feud he wouldn't ruin the entire story like they did in BandR
 
biggest fear ... Batman will get the **** knocked out of him for trusting thugs like he did in 'The Joker's Five-Way Revenge'.
 
I dont think the Joker being done to death is a fair argument against him being a villian for this series. I would be a bit offended as a Batman fan not to see Joker as the main villian in Nolans films. His vision is competely different than the previous movies.

It would be like your favorite band doing a tribute to Hendrix and leaving out purple haze. Or going to your favorite bands concert without hearing their most famous song.

How do we know if TDK will even be based on action? Hand to hand fighting, though important in any comic book adaptation, might not even come into play concerning the main villians.

The more I hear Nolan talk about what TDK will be the more I get the impression we will see a psychological thriller/detective story instead of the normal comic book adaptation action movie structure.

Im betting he saves the big action for the last movie.
 
If you really believe that a film written by Jon Nolan and directed by Chris Nolan will rely heavily on fighting and action, your delusional.
 
7Hells said:
I dont think the Joker being done to death is a fair argument against him being a villian for this series. I would be a bit offended as a Batman fan not to see Joker as the main villian in Nolans films. His vision is competely different than the previous movies.

It would be like your favorite band doing a tribute to Hendrix and leaving out purple haze. Or going to your favorite bands concert without hearing their most famous song.

How do we know if TDK will even be based on action? Hand to hand fighting, though important in any comic book adaptation, might not even come into play concerning the main villians.

The more I hear Nolan talk about what TDK will be the more I get the impression we will see a psychological thriller/detective story instead of the normal comic book adaptation action movie structure.

Im betting he saves the big action for the last movie.

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7Hells said:
I dont think the Joker being done to death is a fair argument against him being a villian for this series. I would be a bit offended as a Batman fan not to see Joker as the main villian in Nolans films. His vision is competely different than the previous movies.

It would be like your favorite band doing a tribute to Hendrix and leaving out purple haze. Or going to your favorite bands concert without hearing their most famous song.

How do we know if TDK will even be based on action? Hand to hand fighting, though important in any comic book adaptation, might not even come into play concerning the main villians.

The more I hear Nolan talk about what TDK will be the more I get the impression we will see a psychological thriller/detective story instead of the normal comic book adaptation action movie structure.

Im betting he saves the big action for the last movie.

Don't expect Nolan to be able to finish his trilogy if he goes that route.
 
Nolan will mix the action and drama. It's a given. I think WB would be too worried if Dark Knight didn't have that balance, given Superman's less then stellar return..
 
StorminNorman said:
If you really believe that a film written by Jon Nolan and directed by Chris Nolan will rely heavily on fighting and action, your delusional.

Yeah. Nolan's a character and dramatic director. Not a 'make stuff go BOOM!' director.

I REALLY get the feeling that when he said 'TDK will be different to BB', he ment that we'll be getting a 'detective' story. This is my thoughs here.

In most 'superhero' films we know who the main antagonist is, there motives and there 'evil plan'. We just don't know how the hero will stop it.

I feel in TDK, we'll get the opposite. We won't know the main villain, his motives and his ultimate goal. This will unravle as Batman, Dent and Gordon try to stop this 'Joker' character who is killing mob bosses, socilites and whatnot.

This way The Joker is there, but not. Batman is the main character as we go though the jouney of him trying to stop the Joker.
 
The Joker is a scene stealer by nature. To have him "there, but not" doesn't work. He should be taunting Batman. To his face.
 
Poetic Chaos said:
The Joker is a scene stealer by nature. To have him "there, but not" doesn't work. He should be taunting Batman. To his face.

It works when you won't see the Joker himself until halve way into the film.
 
Poetic Chaos said:
The Joker is a scene stealer by nature. To have him "there, but not" doesn't work.
I think thats why it will work.
Hell, Joker almost stole the scene when he was represented just as a playing card by Godron.

Ibn said:
Marry Me?
You have a Batman costume? :p
 
7Hells said:
I think thats why it will work.
Hell, Joker almost stole the scene when he was represented just as a playing card by Godron.

The Joker DID steal that scene. If they really nail the character of the Joker well, then his personality mixed with the outstanding ability of Heath Ledger will make sure he does that again in this film.

You have a Batman costume? :p

No, but I do baby.
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mad hatter sucks ass and banes been done (horribley i know id like to see him in future film also)

but i really wanna see clayface in a batman movie with the cgi tech we have theese day he woud look kick ass!

maybe get the sandman techs from s-m3 in?
 
my biggest Dark Knight fears is that they just arbitrarily change certain supporting characters for no good reason (Flass). Or that they try to go TOO realistic with some of the villains. Joker most of all, needs to be done very carefully... he needs to be essentially what he is from the comics but done in a way that makes it seem possible. I also worry that they try a big useless twist. If I had to pick some concerns, those would be the big ones.... but i'm not actively worried about it, i think they'll get it right again.
 
mrsparkle said:
mad hatter sucks ass and banes been done (horribley i know id like to see him in future film also)

but i really wanna see clayface in a batman movie with the cgi tech we have theese day he woud look kick ass!

maybe get the sandman techs from s-m3 in?

Mad Hatter could be done well in Nolan's world. Bane could be redone like the Joker and Two-Face.

Clayface is a villian that simply does not work in Bale/Nolan's Gotham and is IMO one of the cheapest, uninspiring, been-there done-that villians anyway.
 
antmanx68 said:
my biggest Dark Knight fears is that they just arbitrarily change certain supporting characters for no good reason (Flass). Or that they try to go TOO realistic with some of the villains. Joker most of all, needs to be done very carefully... he needs to be essentially what he is from the comics but done in a way that makes it seem possible. I also worry that they try a big useless twist. If I had to pick some concerns, those would be the big ones.... but i'm not actively worried about it, i think they'll get it right again.

I had this concern too, but has been rested thank to the fact that Nolan is actually being consulted by the creator of the Joker. It just seems to me that Nolan is really trying to stay fairly close to the comics.
 
StorminNorman said:
I had this concern too, but has been rested thank to the fact that Nolan is actually being consulted by the creator of the Joker. It just seems to me that Nolan is really trying to stay fairly close to the comics.

ok, em, what's that supposed to mean exactly?
 
that Nolan is actually listening to people outside of his little group of Nolan/Nolan/Goyer for inspiration for the Joker. IMO that means that he is really trying to capture the true spirit of the Joker, and that means NOT making him an overly real creation, but a bizzare oddity in a realistic city.
 
StorminNorman said:
Mad Hatter could be done well in Nolan's world. Bane could be redone like the Joker and Two-Face.

Clayface is a villian that simply does not work in Bale/Nolan's Gotham and is IMO one of the cheapest, uninspiring, been-there done-that villians anyway.
That comment made me want to fight you.:down:
 
Well its true. Doesn't every hero basically have a villian that has the ability to transform into anything? I mean even Batman Beyond had Inque that could do that. Clayface has just always really been a throw away character that is often used as a cheap way out of a creative situation (lets not actually have Jason Todd come back, lets just make him Clayface!!!).

For me, Clayface is a mediocure villian in Batman's Rouge gallery that features some real gems.
 
StorminNorman said:
that Nolan is actually listening to people outside of his little group of Nolan/Nolan/Goyer for inspiration for the Joker. IMO that means that he is really trying to capture the true spirit of the Joker, and that means NOT making him an overly real creation, but a bizzare oddity in a realistic city.

ok, I thought you meant Bob Kane or Bill Finger, but we don't know who he's listening to, it's just conjecture at this point. we can only hope he doesn't make TDK "his movie"
 
kenellard said:
ok, I thought you meant Bob Kane or Bill Finger, but we don't know who he's listening to, it's just conjecture at this point. we can only hope he doesn't make TDK "his movie"

Actually we do know who he is listening to - Jerry Robinson created the Joker in the comics, and that who is consulting Mr. Nolan.
 
StorminNorman said:
Well its true. Doesn't every hero basically have a villian that has the ability to transform into anything? I mean even Batman Beyond had Inque that could do that. Clayface has just always really been a throw away character that is often used as a cheap way out of a creative situation (lets not actually have Jason Todd come back, lets just make him Clayface!!!).

For me, Clayface is a mediocure villian in Batman's Rouge gallery that features some real gems.
Well BTAS had a wonderful twoparter about ClayFace that was better than any Batman movie and made me fall in love with the character.

I would love to see him in a Batman movie but I admit, he wouldn't fit in Nolan's ultra realistic Bat-World.
 

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