What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS* - Part 1

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The point where everything went way more overboard than it already had was that unnecessary tentacle scene. I agree with Jeremy Jahns: why not just make it a struggle for Superman to destroy the World Engine because it's making Earth more like Krypton, not because the machine wants to snatch him out of the sky.

I disagree with Jeremy. Superman was fly above the World Engine ready to attack. The tentacles were a defense mechanism. The tentacles made it for difficult for Supes and knocked him under the gravity beam. Thus that great wide out shot of him with our fist in the air.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

I disagree with Jeremy. Superman was fly above the World Engine ready to attack. The tentacles were a defense mechanism. The tentacles made it for difficult for Supes and knocked him under the gravity beam. Thus that great wide out shot of him with our fist in the air.

But did the tentacles really have to be there?

The scene could have been more effective if Superman was simply just struggling to even stand. We can still have the great shot of him under the gravity beam. It would probably be more powerful because we would see Superman put all of his effort into crawling to the beam, showing how strong his will is. That's a great build up.

The tentacle fight which precedes the gravity beam's destruction lacks that resonance because it's pretty much just him evading another set of obstacles and feels more like a generic action scene.

 

[sf2]

But did the tentacles really have to be there?

The scene could have been more effective if Superman was simply just struggling to even stand. We can still have the great shot of him under the gravity beam. It would probably be more powerful because we would see Superman put all of his effort into crawling to the beam, showing how strong his will is. That's a great build up.

The tentacle fight which precedes the gravity beam's destruction lacks that resonance because it's pretty much just him evading another set of obstacles and feels more like a generic action scene.

People would complain the exactly the same way like u did to what you consider more powerful... didi n dada.

The tentacle is powerful as it keeps the same defense system like the guard robot in the scout ship. In short, the krpyton techno.

 

[robot]

Oh my God, yes. I got tired of hearing those same damn piano notes over and over and over again.

The Original John Williams' tunes were so much more uplifting... even in SR, the score they used for the plane rescue scene were so much more exciting, and pumps up the blood...

none of the action scenes in MOS has that kind of score to get you more excited...

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think the score, when it actually got pumping, was one of the best things about the movie.... It's not the scores fault none of the action scenes were exciting, it's because none of the action scenes were exciting.

 

[Andreth]

The score is really beautiful, but I gotta agree, they overused the same piano notes, which is weird because there are many wonderful moments in the soundtrack that weren't used in the film. I was listening to "earth" earlier and it's such an uplifting theme perfect for the Kent domestic dynamic, like the moment Clark goes back to the farm, sadly they used the same piano intro again.

And yeah, I HATED the entire tentacle scene, I wish that was cut off the movie.

That Christ-like pose as he floats in space with that dramatic music is another thing I really can't stand.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

If you just listen to the soundtrack in isolation, you can picture a much better film in your head :P

 

[Andreth]

"This is Clark Kent" was one of my favorite tracks, it's really beautiful and inspiring, but we only get to hear a slightly similar tune while Lois and Clark hold hands in the desert scene.
It's not like they didn't have the time to listen to the entire thing Hans wrote, they had another 6 months to make it "perfect" but I'm really shocked about how much of that wonderful soundtrack they left out while the same piano intro was played over and over again.

1. I will never understand how in the world they thought that just by saving a puppy from the car and then just waiting for no reason for the tornado would be an epic and emotional death for Jonathan while Clark could have saved him easily. They could have handle this better in so many ways. Maybe Clark was saving someone else and couldn't reach in time for his father or something like that.

Jonathan's death made me really angry , this was one of my biggest problems, It really makes me think what the hell they were thinking while crafting this idea. I love dogs, but Jonathan going back to save a family, a kid, I don't know, acting all heroic and dying would have been a much better and emotional death.

 

[PacificBoy]

Superman is the first superhero so there's your answer

Yeah, the Kryptonian invasion could be the stage to rally the forming of the Justice League. Just that I feel the stakes were raised too high too quickly. A world threat with its scope of destruction and death could have brought out the themes of heroism and sacrifice more powerfully once Superman as a character - his ties to humanity - is more fleshed out.

In MoS the action should have been confined to Smallville. His hometown and family and friends were threatened, people he has grown up alongside, interacted with, and even been ostracized by. That's reason enough to shake off his anonymity and start saving people in the open.

As his faith in humanity grows, so does his horizons, and he moves to Metropolis and becomes a reporter, the perfect job to learn more about the world. Then when Metropolis does come under danger, we give a damn more, because there's Lois, there's Parry, there's Jenny, people he cares about. Which makes us care more about the characters.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Jonathan's death made me really angry , this was one of my biggest problems, It really makes me think what the hell they were thinking while crafting this idea. I love dogs, but Jonathan going back to save a family, a kid, I don't know, acting all heroic and dying would have been a much better and emotional death.

 

[Andreth]

perfect

but now I feel like punching somebody!!

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

perfect

but now I feel like punching somebody!!

For what it's worth, and I know it's not much, I like to think that Clark would have eventually saved his father if he had just a little more time. Because he was conflicted, though, he hesitated until it was too late. When I think of it that way, it helps me digest the scene a bit better.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, the Kryptonian invasion could be the stage to rally the forming of the Justice League. Just that I feel the stakes were raised too high too quickly. A world threat with its scope of destruction and death could have brought out the themes of heroism and sacrifice more powerfully once Superman as a character - his ties to humanity - is more fleshed out.

In MoS the action should have been confined to Smallville. His hometown and family and friends were threatened, people he has grown up alongside, interacted with, and even been ostracized by. That's reason enough to shake off his anonymity and start saving people in the open.

As his faith in humanity grows, so does his horizons, and he moves to Metropolis and becomes a reporter, the perfect job to learn more about the world. Then when Metropolis does come under danger, we give a damn more, because there's Lois, there's Parry, there's Jenny, people he cares about. Which makes us care more about the characters.

Nah I don't agree with that, you make th nest film you. An now no restrictions. You want to go bigger you do the Universe or you go to the Oceans (Aquaman).

 

[Bruce Malone]

You can argue the scope or threat in Batman begins was actually bigger than in TDK. I don't believe the joker ever intended to actually destroy the whole city as did ra's? However the way the stakes were set and presented it felt even more epic.

You just have to find the right angle and even a more "limited" threat can still feel more powerful.

 

[BlueLantern]

Yeah, the Kryptonian invasion could be the stage to rally the forming of the Justice League. Just that I feel the stakes were raised too high too quickly. A world threat with its scope of destruction and death could have brought out the themes of heroism and sacrifice more powerfully once Superman as a character - his ties to humanity - is more fleshed out.

In MoS the action should have been confined to Smallville. His hometown and family and friends were threatened, people he has grown up alongside, interacted with, and even been ostracized by. That's reason enough to shake off his anonymity and start saving people in the open.

As his faith in humanity grows, so does his horizons, and he moves to Metropolis and becomes a reporter, the perfect job to learn more about the world. Then when Metropolis does come under danger, we give a damn more, because there's Lois, there's Parry, there's Jenny, people he cares about. Which makes us care more about the characters.

High five.

 

[AnneFan]

I think the score, when it actually got pumping, was one of the best things about the movie.... It's not the scores fault none of the action scenes were exciting, it's because none of the action scenes were exciting.

As Chris Nolan said once, "Hans is a minimalistic composer with maximalist production sense. His work is incredibly specific, simple pieces but the way they are recorded is a colossal scale."

 

[BlueLantern]

I think it's a bit of both. Zimmer's score is very big and that's nice. However, the film itself happens at a break neck speed with no dynamics. It doesn't have peaks and troughs to stress the bigger bits. Everything's gigantic and as a result the score supplements the bigness instead of complementing it with a humbling side.

Kevin Smith and Ralph Garman probably nailed it regarding the pacing of the movie. Kevin Smith whilst praising the film said that it was a two and a half hour Metallica song. Garman asked 'can you sit through a two and a half Metallica song?' They missed one key point. James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich get dynamics. Snyder doesn't.

 

[PacificBoy]

Nah I don't agree with that, you make th nest film you. An now no restrictions. You want to go bigger you do the Universe or you go to the Oceans (Aquaman).

To quote Pa Kent, maybe.

You can argue the scope or threat in Batman begins was actually bigger than in TDK. I don't believe the joker ever intended to actually destroy the whole city as did ra's? However the way the stakes were set and presented it felt even more epic.

You just have to find the right angle and even a more "limited" threat can still feel more powerful.

Absolutely. That's how TDK made me feel. The scope of the threat was arguably the same, a city under siege.

The scope of the threat was way larger in MoS, a world at risk, yet TDK felt more epic. Because the drama was convincingly built.

Compare these two similar dramatic scenes where lives were at peril. Take the brilliantly set up prisoners' dilemma in TDK. The prisoners were nameless but we started caring for them a little when they demonstrated an unexpected decency. Even then, sympathy for them wasn't the intended payoff (the philosophical ramifications were).

When Perry, Jenny and Lombard are shown fighting for their lives, I'm supposed to care. Their time on the screen is a sketch of who they are: Perry is the tough, uncompromising editor, Jenny's a sweet young thing, and Lombard is a bit of a jerk. But I don't get to feel afraid for them because I don't get to care about them. It's as if the scene is trying to buy my emotions, that I'd instinctively be worried because of my offscreen recognition of and affection for the characters. That's why the Metropolis fight with Zod comes across empty and like a video game to me.

 

[Silvermoth]

I hated the ending.

Spoiler

superheroes who kill aren't necessarily better. There's a reason why everyone reads batman and not the Punisher.

I actually hope they change it so that it turns out kryptonians don't die when you turn their heads that way and that's why superman was so jovial afterwards. Plus it leaves it open for Zod to come back

All the "nooooos" and "daaaaaaads" were a bit over the top too.

But overall I enjoyed it

 

[PacificBoy]

I think the score, when it actually got pumping, was one of the best things about the movie.... It's not the scores fault none of the action scenes were exciting, it's because none of the action scenes were exciting.

The action sequences were well choreographed and polished, top notch in my opinion. I think it wasn't exciting for some of us because we didn't feel the heart or story behind the spectacle.

I rewatched Captain America recently and couldn't help but compare the two superheroes' iconic accoutrement and how they were introduced in each origin movie.

From the trashcan cover to the taxi door, you can see the material shape of the shield taking shape, and from Steve's actions, the shield as an extension of his belief to protect and serve, his "I don't like bullies; I don't care where they're from." quote. My "Yay! It's Captain America!" moment was when Steve used the trashcan cover to defend himself in the back alley.

I'm told the "S" represents hope and therefore when Clark dons the suit he's the idea of hope. Nifty theme. However, the plot has him in his training cape all throughout. He saves lives, and earns grudging trust from the people while coming out of his shell a little. It's Clark's journey to being the beacon of hope we all know and love, and we're likely to see this Superman in the sequel. I get that.

But because of the movie's brooding tone and his actions (or inactions) as portrayed, I didn't see him as an idea of hope, more as an abstraction of hope. I didn't have my "Yay! It's Superman!" moment in MoS.

 

[blumatic]

But did the tentacles really have to be there?

The scene could have been more effective if Superman was simply just struggling to even stand. We can still have the great shot of him under the gravity beam. It would probably be more powerful because we would see Superman put all of his effort into crawling to the beam, showing how strong his will is. That's a great build up.

The tentacle fight which precedes the gravity beam's destruction lacks that resonance because it's pretty much just him evading another set of obstacles and feels more like a generic action scene.

The tentacles were a perfect defense tool for the world engine. Movable object to atop Superman. Giving him an obstacle in the air where he has to dodge and improvise in the air.

 

[BlueLantern]

It was pretty much another reason for action and reeked of something from a 90s Sci-Fi film.

 

[PacificBoy]

It was pretty much another reason for action and reeked of something from a 90s Sci-Fi film.

I like the heavy sci-fi elements, which I found cool and interesting, but it feels as though I'm watching more Kansas Man: First Contact.

 

[STARMAN]

I think the biggest criticisms are more general. They revolve around tone and character choices. If the tone and character choices were accepted, no one would care about Jesus poses and tentacles.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I think the film lacked a triumphant climax. (although the final ending is optimistic)

I think the idea is supposed to be that Lois's appearance is the reminder of hope, after he kills the last of his race. However, it just comes across as a downer, as if he failed, not succeeded.

I would rearrange some bits at the end.

I would rather have the 'last of his race' moment when he destroys the genesis chamber. Lois's appearance gives him a reminder of hope to continue.

After sending Zod and crew back to the phantom zone, he then proceeds to destroy the terraforming machine, crawling to what he believes will be his certain death. (because it's basically like kryptonite)

While he's crawling, he's remembering what Pa Kent and Jor El have said to him. (either through voice over, flashback, or having them appear via hallucination).

I'd have the line "I have to believe that you were brought here for a reason", repeated, giving him the extra push; (He trusted him enough to let him die; so he makes sure that he didn't die for nothing)

Coupled with Zimmer's triumphant theme building and building, I think it would have made for a more triumphant ending.


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Also, I'd change some of the uninspired dialogue, mostly from Zod.