What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope? - Part 1

[The Guard]

That's been the most absurd thing about these debates. People are just convinced the DCEU is perfect and anyone who doesn't like the movies must have some bias or ulterior motive for doing so.

Where has anyone said that the DCEU is perfect?

 

[Osiris-Rex]

So critics like Supergirl season 2 more than MOS? Holy moly.

Critics like Supergirl season 2 more than any Superman movie ever made.

8.3/10 Supergirl season 2

8/10 Superman: The Movie

7.5/10 Superman II

4.5.10 Superman III

2.8/10 Superman IV

7/10 Superman Returns

6.2/10 Man of Steel

4.9/10 Batman v Superman

 

[Ivan Drago]

TV show ratings on RT are useless. They only rate the first couple of episodes.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

TV show ratings on RT are useless. They only rate the first couple of episodes.

True. And a lot of the praise for the first two episodes of Supergirl was for their version of Superman. So, Supergirl's Superman was rated higher than any movie Superman ever?

 

[Alex Murphy]

True. And a lot of the praise for the first two episodes of Supergirl was for their version of Superman. So, Supergirl's Superman was rated higher than any movie Superman ever?

Way to exaggerate.

 

[Wildcard]

True. And a lot of the praise for the first two episodes of Supergirl was for their version of Superman. So, Supergirl's Superman was rated higher than any movie Superman ever?

Proof of that? Seems like the biggest of exaggerations to me.

 

[The Joker]

Where has anyone said that the DCEU is perfect?

Have you ever met batfreakforever?

 

[Luke234]

True. And a lot of the praise for the first two episodes of Supergirl was for their version of Superman. So, Supergirl's Superman was rated higher than any movie Superman ever?

But it's the CW.. wow. I sympathize that DC comic readers didn't get what they want but who here wants something CWish? I know people hate BVS. I totally accept it. But DC fans want something other than CW, as well, right?
I can't imagine anyone viewing Supergirl or Flash as anything but a guilty pleasure. Except maybe teens looking for that 90210 kind of vibe.

 

[Greenlite]

the number of people/critics who judged CW TV shows compared to movies...you can't compare the two mediums.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

the number of people/critics who judged CW TV shows compared to movies...you can't compare the two mediums.

The value in RT is that you can get a critical consensus from the number of reviews. You can't do that with just 10-15 reviews.

 

[writer0327]

The value in RT is that you can get a critical consensus from the number of reviews. You can't do that with just 10-15 reviews.

I look at the RT percentage as "what are the chances that I'll like this film?" If the film got a 90%, then I see it as "There's a 90% chance that I will like the film". Conversely, that also means there is a 10% chance that I won't.

And sometimes I absolutely fall in the 10% category.

 

[jmc]

I have an unwritten rule that if a film has a less than 60% approval rating on RT I will wait until its available to rent or stream. There are some exceptions I'll make but generally I don't like the idea of wasting $20 on a movie ticket.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I look at the RT percentage as "what are the chances that I'll like this film?" If the film got a 90%, then I see it as "There's a 90% chance that I will like the film". Conversely, that also means there is a 10% chance that I won't.

And sometimes I absolutely fall in the 10% category.

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying if there are 200 reviews, you can pretty conclusively say that the 90% is an accurate reflection of what the critics as a whole actually think. You really can't with 10 reviews.

That's one big reason why Rotten Tomatoes is better than Metacritic, at least for films. RT gets way more reviews than Metacritic does. Take Rogue One, for example. Metacritic has 51 reviews. RT has 330.

 

[MbJ]

Where has anyone said that the DCEU is perfect?

Some DCEU defenders will use every excuse possible other than just saying "Maybe they could be better". If a movie is poorly reviewed or didn't make as much money as WB anticipated it's because it was too smart for audiences. Or because there's an unfair bias in favor of DC's TV shows which somehow divides audiences. Or because everyone knows critics hate dark superhero movies and only like light fun ones (which is why Days of Future Past is currently one of the best-reviewed X-Men movies and Nolan Batfilms were critical darlings). Or because anyone saying bad things is a Marvel fanboy who can't accept DC does things differently. Or the entire controversy around Disney paying out critics to bash DC movies even though critics secretly loved them and thought they were brilliant.

The problem is everyone else, not anything WB has done wrong.

 

[Consona]

It's jarring to some of us as MoS appears to be a vastly superior movie.

If MoS got a 56, then Thor 2 might deserve a 28 or so. Instead it got a 65.

Yep.

 

[shauner111]

I have an unwritten rule that if a film has a less than 60% approval rating on RT I will wait until its available to rent or stream. There are some exceptions I'll make but generally I don't like the idea of wasting $20 on a movie ticket.

I agree. I'll go if i'm a big fan of the director or something like that, but usually i'll wait a bit.

Other than an IMAX 3D ticket, what other movies are 20 dollars?

 

[2kt09]

Don't you guys get day specials or matinee prices?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

It's jarring to some of us as MoS appears to be a vastly superior movie.

If MoS got a 56, then Thor 2 might deserve a 28 or so. Instead it got a 65.

I still don't know which one I think is worse Thor or Thor 2; but the reception both those films received made me stop believing in RT before I even really did. Both films are rotten to the core with shallow story and poor acting.

 

[Greenlite]

The value in RT is that you can get a critical consensus from the number of reviews. You can't do that with just 10-15 reviews.

I agree in part, but say, Flash has less than 60 reviews, and the audience score is made up of less than 4000 votes, Supergirl has about 80 reviews.

Whereas The Dark Knight might have 300 reviews with 50000+ audience votes.

Therefore getting a 70% for a movie and a TV show does not mean the same thing, the more reviews/votes a product has, the tendency is for the score to go down.

Just saying it's the same with surveys/polls, you need 1024 samples to be accurate or within a margin of error of less than 3%, whereas a sample of 500 would not be reliable at all.

 

[Greenlite]

I still don't know which one I think is worse Thor or Thor 2; but the reception both those films received made me stop believing in RT before I even really did. Both films are rotten to the core with shallow story and poor acting.

When Underworld 4 has a better score than BvS and SS it's pretty clear there's a bias happening in 2016.

 

[Superchan]

When Underworld 4 has a better score than BvS and SS it's pretty clear there's a bias happening in 2016.

The big difference is that no one was expecting anything from underworld but that same cannot be said for BvS and SS. Expectations tamper one's view of the film even though the film should be judged purely on it's merits but that would only happen in a perfect world.
Also for me and many people out there BvS and SS were utter garbage and it wouldn't surprise me if underworld was a better film than either, even though I heard it was utter garbage as well.

 

[Luke234]

I still don't know which one I think is worse Thor or Thor 2; but the reception both those films received made me stop believing in RT before I even really did. Both films are rotten to the core with shallow story and poor acting.

Seriously. The Marvel tone isn't for me anyways, but I think these are just really ,really bad movies. I gave up after awhile with Thor 2. The first one was bad enough.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I like the first Thor movie.

At this point I would love for the DCEU to have a movie at least on the same level as Thor 2.

BvS and especially SS were trainwrecks.

 

[Flint Marko]

When Underworld 4 has a better score than BvS and SS it's pretty clear there's a bias happening in 2016.

"My opinion does not match up with the opinion of RT critics; therefore they are biased." Classic.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Underworld 4 has a lower RT score than both BvS and SS, so I'm not even sure what Greenlite is talking about.