What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope? - Part 1

[The Joker]

Go reread that interview, he intended for humor and "dramatic intensity" includes dramatic irony. The rest we can debate back and forth as to how successful that was.

Again that is your own interpretation. Where does dramatic intensity translate into a dramatic irony? Show one iota of proof that states that is true, or was indeed their intention.

There's no reason at all for having to be this vague.
An adjective which describes that acting, please, and not another interpretation of the character.

Right. And Snyder clearly stated he intended the character to be intense and psychological. Eisenberg failed to deliver that. So the acting was bad.

 

[reverse flash]

So you're discounting the popular votes of People's Choice or MTV Movie Awards but Smith, Robbie and Affleck got constant positive feedback because you read it on the internet?

Also don't put words in the Joker's mouth, he wasn't inferring that Twilight is the best movie 4 years in a row, just that it was popular.

I dont discount them I just dont take them as concrete proof.

Im not putting words in anyones mouth

 

[reverse flash]

No, I don't personally think it. I think the movies had enough popularity to win them best movie awards.

That was the whole point of your original post. Popularity status. You were trying to claim quality based on how popular you think Margot Robbie and Will Smith were in SS. Now you're arguing against your own logic.



Thank you

Im talking popularity and wanting to see more of them, not awards you brought the awards into it. Ive talked to plenty outside the internet bubble that liked will, margot and ben alot in there roles. You think sirens and a standalone batman film were announced for the heck of it?

 

[The Joker]

Im talking popularity and wanting to see more of them, not awards you brought the awards into it. Ive talked to plenty outside the internet bubble that liked will, margot and ben alot in there roles. You think sirens and a standalone batman film were announced for the heck of it?

What popularity are you talking about then? You've not shown any proof of popularity beyond saying there is some. What sources have you cited outside the internet bubble?

Saying you've talked to people yourself is the most redundant and useless thing you can say. Anyone can say they have talked to people who said this or that. It doesn't prove a thing. None of my friends or work colleagues like the Harry Potter movies, but do you think that means they are unpopular?

 

[Erzengel]

http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2016/11/15/peoples-choice-awards-2017-full-list-of-nominees/

125 million people voted in the People's Choice Awards last year.

But you talked to plenty of people outside the internet bubble that liked Smith, Robbie and Affleck?

 

[reverse flash]

What popularity are you talking about then? You've not shown any proof of popularity beyond saying there is some. What sources have you cited outside the internet bubble?

Saying you've talked to people yourself is the most redundant and useless thing you can say. Anyone can say they have talked to people who said this or that. It doesn't prove a thing. None of my friends or work colleagues like the Harry Potter movies, but do you think that means they are unpopular?

My proof is the movies in preproduction or being fast tracked. Ben has been given the keys to the biggest heroe in american culture and the other getting her own spinoff sequel based on the fans everywhere wanting more. You dont need data or awards to see the obvious.

 

[2kt09]

Again that is your own baseless interpretation. Where does dramatic intensity translate into a dramatic irony? Show one iota of proof that states that is true, or was indeed their intention. You are pulling this idea from nowhere.

You can't relay dramatic irony without dramatic intensity. Nearly every single pivotal scene Lex is in, Eisenberg is conveying through his words and/or actions "dramatically tense" exchanges that's supposed to tip the audience off and isn't yet caught by the characters.

Right. And Snyder clearly stated he intended the character to be intense and psychological. Eisenberg failed to deliver that. So the acting was bad.

It was a simple request. Can I just jot you down for Eisenberg's acting was so cringe that it knocked you out of the suspension of disbelief?

 

[reverse flash]

http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2016/11/15/peoples-choice-awards-2017-full-list-of-nominees/

125 million people voted in the People's Choice Awards last year.

But you talked to plenty of people outside the internet bubble that liked Smith, Robbie and Affleck?

Yeah because Im pretty sure if these characters werent as popular from the past 2 movies there sequels wouldnt been even talked about

 

[ManWithNoName18]

there where some very bold BVS box office predictions. It was pretty unanimous that it would cross a billion, the question became how much. I think a truly great movie starring Batman fresh of TDKT and Superman could have hit close to 2 billion.

 

[reverse flash]

there where some very bold BVS box office predictions. It was pretty unanimous that it would cross a billion, the question became how much. I think a truly great movie starring Batman fresh of TDKT and Superman could have hit close to 2 billion.

Ill be the first to admit it should have. The story wasnt good enough.

 

[Erzengel]

Yeah because Im pretty sure if these characters werent as popular from the past 2 movies there sequels wouldnt been even talked about

You posed the question are people really begging for an Ant-Man sequel.

An Ant-Man sequel was added and movies pushed back to accommodate it, so Ant-Man is popular based on your example. Yes?

 

[The Joker]

http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2016/11/15/peoples-choice-awards-2017-full-list-of-nominees/

125 million people voted in the People's Choice Awards last year.

But you talked to plenty of people outside the internet bubble that liked Smith, Robbie and Affleck?

My proof is the movies in preproduction or being fast tracked. Ben has been given the keys to the biggest heroe in american culture and the other getting her own spinoff sequel based on the fans everywhere wanting more. You dont need data or awards to see the obvious.

That's not proof.

It's the Batman franchise. Batman as a character is insanely popular and in demand. Like with Spider-Man, the Andrew Garfield movies were terrible and killed the franchise. Sony quickly jumped into bed with Marvel and fast tracked Spider-Man into Civil War a mere 2 years after Spider-Man had been in a whole other franchise being played by a totally different actor.

That's demand for the character, not the actor who played him. They were giving audiences more Spider-Man. Same with Batman. It's not a demand for Ben Affleck. It's a demand for more Batman.

You can't relay dramatic irony without dramatic intensity. Nearly every single pivotal scene Lex is in, Eisenberg is conveying through his words and/or actions "dramatically tense" exchanges that's supposed to tip the audience off and isn't yet caught by the characters.

Who says you can't have dramatic intensity without dramatic irony? Batman can be dramatically intense, but it doesn't make him a villain or ironic in any way.

Same way that a psychopath can be dramatic, intense, and even be humorous. E.g.

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But there is no irony here. There is just a kooky psychopath with an element of humor, yet is totally convincing as an unhinged obsessed woman.

It was a simple request. Can I just jot you down for Eisenberg's acting was so cringe that it knocked you out of the suspension of disbelief?

Sure if you want to.

 

[reverse flash]

You posed the question are people really begging for an Ant-Man sequel.

An Ant-Man sequel was added and movies pushed back to accommodate it, so Ant-Man is popular based on your example. Yes?

It is obviously as marvel has greenlit it.

 

[Erzengel]

It is obviously as marvel has greenlit it.

So I guess, Paul Rudd isn't just meh then?

 

[reverse flash]

So I guess, Paul Rudd isn't just meh then?

I personally think hes just meh

 

[2kt09]

Who says you can't have dramatic intensity without dramatic irony?

After reading your explanation for what "dramatic irony" isn't and ignoring the part where I pretty much gave the definition of it, would you like another?

irony that is inherent in speeches or a situation of a drama and is understood by the audience but not grasped by the characters in the play.

Expect more of these in the foreseeable future within movies.
I hear it comes up fairly frequently.

Sure if you want to.

 

[The Joker]

After reading your explanation for what "dramatic irony" isn't and ignoring the part where I pretty much gave the definition of it, would you like another?

Why not, I'm a glutton for punishment

Expect more of these in the foreseeable future within movies.
I hear it comes up fairly frequently.

I got that you were saying that, and I as an audience member did not see that in his performance. If I had I might have appreciated it more. Considering how highly criticized his performance is, it's safe to say Eisenberg's acting failed to show that. He didn't sell his character, he didn't convince with his performance. Which is why it's bad acting. Good acting doesn't have that effect.

 

[Flint Marko]

Considering how highly criticized his performance is, it's safe to say Eisenberg's acting failed to show that. He didn't sell his character, he didn't convince with his performance. Which is why it's bad acting. Good acting doesn't have that effect.

Yup. This is about the long and short of it.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Will Beall decribes tone of future DC movies

Beall was asked about the sort of tone the film will be going for and what the audience should expect. “It’s going to be fun, it’s going to be really fun," Beall said. "What we’ve come up with and James [Wan] especially — he has a really clear idea of the tone he’s going to have, and I think Aquaman is one that’s going to blow people’s minds, not just visually, but I think the story and the scope of it is really great.”

Going from the tone of the film about the Atlantean to having the technology to make it, Beall went on to talk about the general tone of the DC Extended Universe will be going towards in the future. “I think Justice League again is, what you’re going to see — I hope I’m not going to get in trouble for saying this — but it’s much more fun, much poppier, than … I haven’t seen Wonder Woman yet, but Batman vs Superman was a little more somber. But Justice League is a lot more fun. And I think that feels to me like the direction those movies are heading now.”

 

[Erzengel]

I'm confused, are they saying it's going to be fun?

 

[2kt09]

I got that you were saying that, and I as an audience member did not see that in his performance. If I had I might have appreciated it more. Considering how highly criticized his performance is, it's safe to say Eisenberg's acting failed to show that. He didn't sell his character, he didn't convince with his performance. Which is why it's bad acting. Good acting doesn't have that effect.

Everything you've told me so far keeps going back to that intention of standing out like a sore thumb in a dour flick. There's a ton of dramatic irony being displayed here that people for one reason or another choose to ignore.
The fact that it's taken you this many posts just to tell me one descriptive word towards his acting is telling enough.

Just like you have to constantly point out, his character was highly criticized, people's expectations were different to that even after they've seen the trailers, and now it is what it is.

GREAT acting has that effect in overturning insurmountable expectations. My expectations were neither.

 

[Wildcard]

Yup. This is about the long and short of it.

Yeah, have to agree there because I was a defender of Eisenberg's Lex early on but as I went back and relooked at his performance a few times, it was just...all wrong. He fumbled completely with the character. Especially if you compare the performance to something like Michael Rosenbaum's Lex Luthor. That was nuanced. He knew how to intimidate while being intelligent with it. All of which Jesse failed to do in palpable ways.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I think Eisenberg can play a good Lex, but the character is badly written.

When I first heard of the casting I jumped to this scene in The Social Network.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mehUC5l-lGM

Really oozed the arrogance, and intellectual superiority Lex should have.

He also had Aaron Sorkin's dialogue, and David Fincher's writing to work with...

 

[Wildcard]

I do think he can get it right, but he needs to get away from Snyder in order for that to happen. Actually, that goes for the whole DCEU.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Agreed. Eisenberg is miscast as Lex Luthor and his acting so bad in BvS. Maybe Snyder direction make it worse but lol after reading link that Snyder thought his Lex Luthor be intense when he was only campy.