What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope? - Part 1

[Wildcard]

Eisenberg has potential, but that will only be showcased under much better writing. There's hope going forward only if Snyder has absolutely zero to do with his involvement.

 

[Luke234]

I watched SS for the second time and was more entertained but just amazed how they let an opportunity for a great flick get away. I found Leto creepy as hell. I would have maybe lost Katana. Joker the main baddie. Bet it would have been great.

 

[Limonade]

Eisenberg has potential, but that will only be showcased under much better writing. There's hope going forward only if Snyder has absolutely zero to do with his involvement.

Snyder is supposedly much more restrained this time around. So I'm interested in seeing what the movie will look like now that the shuffling around in the Justice League production team happened. Although, Geoff Johns storytelling is hit-or-miss for me.

50/50

 

[Wildcard]

Even with him being more "restrained" he just simply isn't the person you go to in order to build an expansive, coherent cinematic comic book universe. Neither is Johns, he's one of the primary reasons that GL movie ended up being as atrocious as it was.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Even with him being more "restrained" he just simply isn't the person you go to in order to build an expansive, coherent cinematic comic book universe. Neither is Johns, he's one of the primary reasons that GL movie ended up being as atrocious as it was.

Still trying to figure out what was so bad about the Green Lantern movie. It seemed as entertaining as any other comic book based movie. Just don't get all the hate.

 

[2kt09]

Neither is Johns, he's one of the primary reasons that GL movie ended up being as atrocious as it was.

Co-producer
A writer who may not have written the script, but contributed significantly through table reads or revisions.

That certainly gave him less clout than "producer" and "executive producer",
but we might not ever know for which parts he revised.

My hunch based on just the parts of the movie that outright scream Berlanti and co. has me to suggest Johns was heavily involved with anything that had to do with being on Oa. The DCEU flicks would officially be his first "producer" gigs.

 

[The Guard]

Neither is Johns, he's one of the primary reasons that GL movie ended up being as atrocious as it was.

What are you basing this on?

 

[ManWithNoName18]

The Rock on the future of the DCEU tone-wise

 

[NotNickFury]

There's been more on Shazam than there has of the supposed Flash film that's supposed to be coming out sooner, but more than likely will be pushed back.

One thing DC could do? Get some semblance of order with their films. Now no studio is perfect. Captain Marvel and Black Panther got pushed back to make room for Spider-Man, but those two movies weren't exactly right around the corner. DC, though, it's like what the hottest thing is at the time gets priority.

 

[writer0327]

There's been more on Shazam than there has of the supposed Flash film that's supposed to be coming out sooner, but more than likely will be pushed back.

One thing DC could do? Get some semblance of order with their films. Now no studio is perfect. Captain Marvel and Black Panther got pushed back to make room for Spider-Man, but those two movies weren't exactly right around the corner. DC, though, it's like what the hottest thing is at the time gets priority.

Completely agree. DC doesn't seem to have any direction. Gotham City Sirens....hey Harley Quinn is hot coming off of Suicide Squad! Let's talk that up and get that into production asap!

 

[TheVileOne]

I feel like we've been hearing about The Rock playing Black Adam in Shazam for like 10 years now.

Also, people understand that Black Adam is the bad guy right? The Rock's not playing Shazam/Captain Marvel.

 

[Consona]

The Rock on the future of the DCEU tone-wise

 

[reverse flash]

Its sad DC is giving into the majority saying they should be like marvel in tone and fun. I like the darker aspects they have but clearly DC is more of a priority then taking chances.

 

[NotNickFury]

Can you really blame them? They saw the negative reception to Dawn of Justice as much as we did and audiences in the majority find their universe to be dreary and devoid of hope. Perhaps that was the point DC wanted, but hey, look at the first Iron Man: as dark as that film was in its opening act, audiences still got some semblance of optimism and enjoyment from the MCU's first film.

I say this as someone who liked the Ultimate Cut and the tone in contrast to what the MCU has. And not everything has to be light-hearted and fun, sure- look at Watchmen, the Nolan Batman films, or Winter Soldier- films with serious messages and tone. The general audience apparently didn't get that vibe with Dawn of Justice. Does that mean DC should stick to its guns anyway? If they wanted, sure, but at the end of the day, if this course correction is indicative of anything, they notice what audiences think about tone.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Its sad DC is giving into the majority saying they should be like marvel in tone and fun. I like the darker aspects they have but clearly DC is more of a priority then taking chances.

Well if the movies end up being closer to the tone of the source material, I don't see any reason to complain.

 

[reverse flash]

Well if the movies end up being closer to the tone of the source material, I don't see any reason to complain.

I dont ethier but I like the current adult tone and do not want them going light hearted avengers one liner cracking route where every movie is formulaic.

 

[The Joker]

The grim gritty tone isn't the problem. Look at Nolan's TDK trilogy, it was mega successful with it's gritty tone. It's the execution of the tone that's the DCEU's problem.

 

[Consona]

Well if the movies end up being closer to the tone of the source material, I don't see any reason to complain.

Yea, this is fair approach. Let funny heroes be funny and grimdark grim... and dark. But no matter the tone, write a good script. I don't care whether a film is comedy or what if it's well written and well directed.

This tone discussion is misleading and I still cannot believe so many high-profile film industry people fell for it.

 

[NotNickFury]

This all reminds me of something that Joss Whedon once said:

"Make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke."

 

[Chesterfield]

The grim gritty tone isn't the problem. Look at Nolan's TDK trilogy, it was mega successful with it's gritty tone. It's the execution of the tone that's the DCEU's problem.

Bingo.

The DCEU so far is tonally uneven, the movies themselves aren't put together all that well and the core characters are horribly misrepresented. Once these issues get fixed then these movies can be looked upon more favourably.

 

[TheVileOne]

You made Superman exactly like Batman, and lo and behold, people didn't like it. You made Superman almost exactly like Batman in a new movie with a new Batman as well. And people didn't like it. Superman and Batman should be different, and their conflict should be derived from how they do their business differently. Instead we got a Superman who shared a lot more similarities with Batman than differences.

 

[Erzengel]

I think the majority of DCEU fans aren't going to care even if there's levity as long as JL "looks" similar to MOS and BvS. They are fans no matter what.

I posted this question before about changing the dynamic to cast a wider net for more than just the niche group and would that group accept it. It seems a few posters here would be against it.

 

[The Guard]

Its sad DC is giving into the majority saying they should be like marvel in tone and fun. I like the darker aspects they have but clearly DC is more of a priority then taking chances.

No one has said they're going to be like Marvel. They should that future films will have hope, optimism and fun, the very thing many have asked for.

Marvel Studios didn't invent fun and comedy. Nor did they invent hope and optimism.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's one thing to say what you are doing with the tone of these movies, and it's another to execute it entirely.

 

[metaphysician]

Its sad DC is giving into the majority saying they should be like marvel in tone and fun. I like the darker aspects they have but clearly DC is more of a priority then taking chances.

Again, what "chances" have they been taking? The "riskiest" thing they've done so far is "try to copy the style of the director who made their last three huge movies". "Making dark and edgy movies" is the opposite of risk, its been the cliche adaptation safe move since the 90s.