What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

[writer0327]

DC just needs to get the characters right for the general public, primarily Superman. The rest will sort itself out.

 

[The Joker]

DC just needs to get the characters right for the general public, primarily Superman. The rest will sort itself out.

They need to get more than Superman right.

 

[writer0327]

They need to get more than Superman right.

I said primarily Superman. Yes they need more than Superman, but if you can't get Superman right, there is little hope for the DCEU.

Superman is the starting point for the DCEU: the biggest, most important hero DC has in its lineup. If the powers that be want to see DC take off, get Supes right.

 

[Jekecy]

They've been coasting off the success of Batman for years, they can absolutely get by without Superman. Especially when audiences haven't been given a good reason to be hardcore fans (of the films).

 

[The Joker]

^ Sad but true.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

They've been coasting off the success of Batman for years, they can absolutely get by without Superman. Especially when audiences haven't been given a good reason to be hardcore fans (of the films).

The irony is that at one time Superman was the big deal and after the TV Batman, Batman was sort of a joke. It wasn't until Burton made Batman a serious character that Batman started to gain popularity. And even then we still got the Holey puns from the press for quite a while. Superman was still doing well in the 90s with Lois & Clark and later Smallville. It wasn't until Superman Returns flopped and Man of Steel turned lots of people off while The Dark Knight trilogy got rave reviews and huge box office that Superman became an after thought. Ironically Superman's brief appearance on his cousin's TV show has generated more positive buzz for Superman than anything in the movies for the past 10 years. Making the movie Superman even half as charming as the TV Superman would go a long way to solving Superman's movie image, though I'm not really sure how to do this with the current movie Superman. Going from dour and reluctant to bright and bold may not be possible anymore without a total reboot of the DCEU.

 

[Nick Morton]

The WB as far as I am concerned can not do anything at this point. As long as the same CEO is there as long as its the same guys making the same decisions, mistakes & as long as his stooges are there things likely will never get better for the DCEU. Of course I could be wrong but Wonder Woman will be very telling & how that turns out will effect Justice League

 

[reverse flash]

I think they just need to get there path right and focused. I rewatched suicide squad and i still love the characters but the story was non existent and the third act was terrible. MOS AND BVS were good first steps going forward. I have plenty of hope.

 

[Nick Morton]

I think they just need to get there path right and focused. I rewatched suicide squad and i still love the characters but the story was non existent and the third act was terrible. MOS AND BVS were good first steps going forward. I have plenty of hope.

As long as Kevin Tsujihara is the CEO of WB things will likely never change & BVS a good first step lol it was the first bad one with SS being the second bad one. Only time will tell if Wonder Woman is the third bad one & BVS & SS made what they made because the only smart decisions WB made were opening these World Wide same day. Take that away & open BVS two weeks early Internationally it bombs Domestically no question leading to SS likely never being made & they go in a "Different Direction" Civil War would have easily beat BVS had the WB never changed the original Release Date as well

 

[reverse flash]

As long as Kevin Tsujihara is the CEO of WB things will likely never change & BVS a good first step lol it was the first bad one with SS being the second bad one. Only time will tell if Wonder Woman is the third bad one & BVS & SS made what they made because the only smart decisions WB made were opening these World Wide same day. Take that away & open BVS two weeks early Internationally it bombs Domestically no question leading to SS likely never being made & they go in a "Different Direction" Civil War would have easily beat BVS had the WB never changed the original Release Date as well

personly Ive liked overall what WB has done since MOS kicked this off. If you didnt thats cool because Im clearly not going to change your mind. Ive met far more people who enjoyed BVS and had fun with SS

 

[Nick Morton]

personly Ive liked overall what WB has done since MOS kicked this off. If you didnt thats cool because Im clearly not going to change your mind. Ive met far more people who enjoyed BVS and had fun with SS

Only Superhero Movies Im supporting / seeing in theaters this year are GOTG 2 & Thor 3 the rest Im in no rush with seeing. Im seeing plenty of other movies as is this year like ever year & I will sacrifice the other questionable superhero movies no problem. Especially after the mess that was 2016 with movies Im being picky this year because of that

 

[reverse flash]

Only Superhero Movies Im supporting / seeing in theaters this year are GOTG 2 & Thor 3 the rest Im in no rush with seeing. Im seeing plenty of other movies as is this year like ever year & I will sacrifice the other questionable superhero movies no problem

Im that way too as this year is rather packed from now til december. I think Im gonna skip spiderman out of all comic films this year as Im skeptical sony can get out of there own way. My wife is dying to see wonder woman.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

I really think they should use some of their other characters for their movies besides Batman or Superman or anything related to them. A Deadshot movie? Gotham Sirens? The WB do realize that it has other characters in the DC library that it could utilize.

 

[brandeezy89]

As long as Kevin Tsujihara is the CEO of WB things will likely never change & BVS a good first step lol it was the first bad one with SS being the second bad one. Only time will tell if Wonder Woman is the third bad one & BVS & SS made what they made because the only smart decisions WB made were opening these World Wide same day. Take that away & open BVS two weeks early Internationally it bombs Domestically no question leading to SS likely never being made & they go in a "Different Direction" Civil War would have easily beat BVS had the WB never changed the original Release Date as well

I'll take Kevin T. over the last guy who wanted to make Batman and Superman solo films forever and thought a shared universe was a dumb idea

 

[Jekecy]

Making the movie Superman even half as charming as the TV Superman would go a long way to solving Superman's movie image, though I'm not really sure how to do this with the current movie Superman. Going from dour and reluctant to bright and bold may not be possible anymore without a total reboot of the DCEU.

DC already has its built-in ace in the hole; the multi-verse. Their biggest event to this day is CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, which conveniently, served as a soft reboot of all the universes and start fresh again.

The Flash tv series has already been exploring the multiverse (to great effect), it's prime to be utilized on film one day. Right around JL2 or JL3, once the rest of their main line-up is established. This way they can tweak all the properties accordingly to what's been working. Some (like Supes) will require more adjustments, but if they plan early enough, it can be executed brilliantly within the context of a literal world-changing event.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

DC already has its built-in ace in the hole; the multi-verse. Their biggest event to this day is CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, which conveniently, served as a soft reboot of all the universes and start fresh again.

The Flash tv series has already been exploring the multiverse (to great effect), it's prime to be utilized on film one day. Right around JL2 or JL3, once the rest of their main line-up is established. This way they can tweak all the properties accordingly to what's been working. Some (like Supes) will require more adjustments, but if they plan early enough, it can be executed brilliantly within the context of a literal world-changing event.

I don't know. I doubt a COIE-type movie will happen. The WB don't seem like the kind of people to plan something this big and come up with a satisfactory product.

 

[Nick Morton]

I'll take Kevin T. over the last guy who wanted to make Batman and Superman solo films forever and thought a shared universe was a dumb idea

You would take the man that would green light a movie where its a bunch of superheroes & villains watching paint dry ? He does not care about a good script & based on Ben Afflecks recent comments it feels like Kevin Tsujihara is making Ben not wanna direct The Batman by pushing him to meet a certain date which is something Ben does not wanna do. If Ben quits the DCEU this year would you still want Kevin Tsujihara ? Especially since he wont be needed if he tells the WB **** off over The Batman & Kevin Tsujihara would just fast track Sirens & the stupid side of the DCEU. If Ben quits the DCEU like his buddy Zack Snyder did (hes not coming back) its game over for this DCEU end of story

 

[DA_Champion]

They need to make good movies, period. They now have one mediocre movie (MoS) and two awful movies (SS, BvS). They're also in denial or claiming to be in denial as to how bad these movies are.

 

[Nick Morton]

They need to make good movies, period. They now have one mediocre movie (MoS) and two awful movies (SS, BvS). They're also in denial or claiming to be in denial as to how bad these movies are.

Is it safe saying that as long as Kevin Tsujihara is the CEO of WB they will never make good DCEU movies ? If Ben Afflecks ends up quitting they will just fast track Sirens & Deadshot & SS 2 Kevin Tsujihara is the problem here. But as long as long as Kevin Tsujihara is the CEO of WB things will never change as far as I am concerned. I honestly can not decide who is the worst CEO Kevin Tsujihara or Tom Rothman

 

[DA_Champion]

Is it safe saying that as long as Kevin Tsujihara is the CEO of WB they will never make good DCEU movies ? If Ben Afflecks ends up quitting they will just fast track Sirens & Deadshot & SS 2 Kevin Tsujihara is the problem here. But as long as long as Kevin Tsujihara is the CEO of WB things will never change as far as I am concerned. I honestly can not decide who is the worst CEO Kevin Tsujihara or Tom Rothman

I don't know how much of these problems are due to Tsujihara. This ship was in motion before he took command of the port.

There's nothing wrong with making movies about Sirens and SS2. The concept of these movies is completely fine. What's wrong has been and likely continues to be the implementation.

 

[Nick Morton]

I don't know how much of these problems are due to Tsujihara. This ship was in motion before he took command of the port.

There's nothing wrong with making movies about Sirens and SS2. The concept of these movies is completely fine. What's wrong has been and likely continues to be the implementation.

The situation here is no different than whats going on at Sony & Tom Rothman its all starts at the top

 

[DA_Champion]

The situation here is no different than whats going on at Sony & Tom Rothman its all starts at the top

But the situation was started by the previous top was it not?

 

[Nick Morton]

But the situation was started by the previous top was it not?

True but Kevin Tsujihara continued things as they were as if the other guy never left so Kevin Tsujihara gets the blame here one can also say Kevin Tsujihara made things worse

 

[reverse flash]

They need to quit with the extended editions as well. Its turning into gags that they apologize and promise the extended versions will be better when released

 

[The Overlord]

I don't know. I doubt a COIE-type movie will happen. The WB don't seem like the kind of people to plan something this big and come up with a satisfactory product.

COIE is too convoluted to work as a movie, that story was a product of its time, just an excuse to streamline the DC universe back in the 80s, its not a good blue print for a movie.

Its not like the story is anything to write home about, Anti-Montor is one of the most one dimeinsional villains, who wants to destroy the multiverse, because.....I don't know, generic evilness. A bunch of heroes fight a really powerful villain who destroys universes for no reason, its about as basic as you can get.