The Dark Knight What can kill TDK as a movie? Overestimating?

[Crooklyn]

But....you haven't even seen a single frame of TDK....no less know what exactly the 3rd film will be like, short of Two-Face.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Can I please ****ing nit pick at your **** for once? You spelt have wrong, I fear the Night School classes are lacking in there years...jk

Yeah, I did. Most of my posts contain at least one typo. It happens. But at least you could tell what I was trying to say.

Wait a minute, what? outside of the two most recent ones (being World is not enough, and Die another day), there aren't any that are complete garbage. There are a few that are of a lesser quality then the rest, but most are very good. Casino Royale though, is instantly top 5 bond movie

Okay... I agree with you that TWINE and DAD were maybe the worst Bond movies ever... and I agree that CR is instantly top five... but if you think there aren't any other Bond movies that are *complete* garbage, I have one word for you:

MOONRAKER.

'nuff said.

On the Ledger note, weather you like him or not, he is the person Nolan best feels will portray his version of the Joker. That is what makes me very excited for Ledger, and whomever it will be that plays Dent, I will be very excited to see him playing the character, outside of the little jakey he just will not resemble anything close to pretty much every drawing of Dent ever. But besides that, I am not a terribley huge fan of Schrieber, but if he is who Nolan wants, and he is who Nolan thinks can best fit what he is trying to do with Dent, then by all means, I'll give it a very fair, and excited chance.

I disagree with you about Gyllenhaal, but I agree with the basic point that it will be interesting to see the performance that Nolan's cast will give. The initial fun of Ledger as Joker is in seeing how he will do it. And if he nails it, then the fun will be in watching it again.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

ok, I know this little rant wasn't directed at me but I just think it's hilarious. "I fear the night classes are lacking in there years" doesn't even make sense grammatically, and in any case it wasn't even a good dig at Keyser. I do find it strange how so many people these days use the word "then" when they mean to say "than".

Sometimes words sound the same, yet have a different spelling and meaning, like "weather" and "whether" for example.

I also find it funny when people incorrectly use too many prepositions in their sentences in an attempt to sound intelligent, especially when they misspell them.

Oh yes, I pick the nits that none thought pickable t:

LOL. I love this post, kenellard.

Oh, and that remark about homophones... I agree completely. The "then/than" thing just kills me. My ex-girlfriend did it all the time (and she's a college graduate) but I gave her a pass 'cuz she was cute. These days when people get that wrong, it just grates on my nerves.

 

[Heretic]

Than what you are trying to say is that only hot chicks get a pass?

 

[Crooklyn]

Never underestimate the powers of the "pink".

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Why are you some combative? Here's a prescription for chill pills. Go get it filled.

Oceans 11 was fantastic, I agree. It was managed perfectly. And what you pointed out about the screentime for characters was something I'd already pointed out above. Oceans 12 was just mismanaged.

So combative? Just cause I disagree with the statement that the extra actor made all the difference for Oceans 12 not being the same magic Oceans 11 was? For the most part I almost agreed with everything else you said, I don't think that is combative, maybe I am combative on these boards, but I don't think that was a scenario. Also, what would be the point of being on these boards if I agreed with everything said, and didn't challenge what I thought was wrong?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Yeah, I did. Most of my posts contain at least one typo. It happens. But at least you could tell what I was trying to say.



Okay... I agree with you that TWINE and DAD were maybe the worst Bond movies ever... and I agree that CR is instantly top five... but if you think there aren't any other Bond movies that are *complete* garbage, I have one word for you:

MOONRAKER.

'nuff said.



I disagree with you about Gyllenhaal, but I agree with the basic point that it will be interesting to see the performance that Nolan's cast will give. The initial fun of Ledger as Joker is in seeing how he will do it. And if he nails it, then the fun will be in watching it again.

See I find most bond movies very enjoyable, by no means are most stellar, I think Goldfinger, Royale, Golden Eye, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Dr. No are the head of the class, and then there is this vat of 10 or 12 that are all kind of good to okay, and then there is the bottum out of TWINE, and DAD (I like those haha, I never used bond titles in acronym before) and like the Dalton movies (not a fan of the Dalton movies, nothing against Dalton though, just not a fan of the movies) where yeah, they aren't much. So I suppose there are some that are less than average, but for the most part, Bond movies rule.

Nothing against Gyllenhaal as an actor, He is quite good, I just do not think he comes even close to looking anything like Dent, I cannot picture it for the life of me, and I don't know what they could do to make him look the part, outside of aging ten, to fifteen years overnight.

But your last minor point, **** if Ledger nails Joker, I could very easily see this movie being among the best summer blockbuster type movies ever.

 

[Babs Gordon]

I'm not saying agree with me. I've been on these boards for a number of years now and if I couldn't handle a little disagreement I wouldn't stick around. You just come across a tad curt, not just there but in many of your posts. Just pointing it out to you.

 

[xanberkeley]

Its the diehard fans that will kill the movie by overhyping it and ridiculous expectations.Hopefully the media will not be too in your face with TDK too.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I'm not saying agree with me. I've been on these boards for a number of years now and if I couldn't handle a little disagreement I wouldn't stick around. You just come across a tad curt, not just there but in many of your posts. Just pointing it out to you.

Well, Babs, that'll teach ya to come in here and post intelligently!

Oh, wait.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

See I find most bond movies very enjoyable, by no means are most stellar, I think Goldfinger, Royale, Golden Eye, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Dr. No are the head of the class, and then there is this vat of 10 or 12 that are all kind of good to okay, and then there is the bottum out of TWINE, and DAD (I like those haha, I never used bond titles in acronym before) and like the Dalton movies (not a fan of the Dalton movies, nothing against Dalton though, just not a fan of the movies) where yeah, they aren't much. So I suppose there are some that are less than average, but for the most part, Bond movies rule.

Oh I love Bond movies too, but that doesn't change the fact that most of them are horrible movies.

What's funny is that I partially agree with your list. OHMSS, Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Never Say Never Again, Casino Royale are the best ones as far as I'm concerned. Goldfinger and Tomorrow Never Dies are pretty damn good, too. And I'm in the minority because I remember enjoying the Dalton movies, though I've only seen them a couple of times.

Nothing against Gyllenhaal as an actor, He is quite good, I just do not think he comes even close to looking anything like Dent, I cannot picture it for the life of me, and I don't know what they could do to make him look the part, outside of aging ten, to fifteen years overnight.

Well he's a white man with dark hair, so he looks as much like Dent as anybody. Obviously though I don't think Dent has to look like the comic book version (I'd be happy with Denzel or Terrence Howard for Dent, and I loved Billy Dee's performance in Batman 89).

As far as the age goes, it's only an issue if Harvey is THE District Attorney as opposed to an ADA or EADA. Rachel, for example, is an ADA... her boss Finch was possibly an EADA or possibly the big DA, it's never made clear.

But your last minor point, **** if Ledger nails Joker, I could very easily see this movie being among the best summer blockbuster type movies ever.

Of course. No arguments there.

 

[batman7289]

huh
bb wasnt overrated. i think u got superman returns and bb mixed up lol

 

[StorminNorman]

huh
bb wasnt overrated. i think u got superman returns and bb mixed up lol

Superman Returns is unfairly hated on by fanboys across the internet. I think calling it underrated is a much truer statement.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Oh I love Bond movies too, but that doesn't change the fact that most of them are horrible movies.

What's funny is that I partially agree with your list. OHMSS, Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Never Say Never Again, Casino Royale are the best ones as far as I'm concerned. Goldfinger and Tomorrow Never Dies are pretty damn good, too. And I'm in the minority because I remember enjoying the Dalton movies, though I've only seen them a couple of times.



Well he's a white man with dark hair, so he looks as much like Dent as anybody. Obviously though I don't think Dent has to look like the comic book version (I'd be happy with Denzel or Terrence Howard for Dent, and I loved Billy Dee's performance in Batman 89).

As far as the age goes, it's only an issue if Harvey is THE District Attorney as opposed to an ADA or EADA. Rachel, for example, is an ADA... her boss Finch was possibly an EADA or possibly the big DA, it's never made clear.



Of course. No arguments there.

Ok, so I think I could live with Gylls if it is under the circumstances described.

Really, Never say Never again? I think I may have to watch it again, it's been a while for that one, i don't remember it being that good.

OHMSS all the way I totally dig that one.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Superman Returns is unfairly hated on by fanboys across the internet. I think calling it underrated is a much truer statement.

Now, while this may in fact end up being true (Because for as much as I have said against the movie latley, I don't actually have the disdain for it as I might make it seem), that it is underrated, that would mean that most people infact don't like it, and it would make my argument of it being a non user friendly movie true.

But we can discuss that in the offical Superman Returns thread, located in the Offically Harvey Dent Casting thread

 

[Cats]

TDK would crash and burn with a bad script. Superman Returns had barely a proper plot but survived anyway because of effects. Batman Begins was almost wholly plot-based, with very few special effects. The strength of its story is going to determine whether it makes it big. I am sure hoping for a good Batman story like those we fans have been reading in the comics for years now.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

TDK would crash and burn with a bad script. Superman Returns had barely a proper plot but survived anyway because of effects. Batman Begins was almost wholly plot-based, with very few special effects. The strength of its story is going to determine whether it makes it big. I am sure hoping for a good Batman story like those we fans have been reading in the comics for years now.

haha, yes, someone else who felt Superman Returns plot was not the most genius plot ever

this is true, but the credentials going into the movie of the Nolan brothers writting career is pretty solid (Memento, Insomnia, Begins co-writers) so I think most people are realying on them to do what they are acoustom to doing.

Also, Nolan's wizardry goes hand in hand with the plot as to why BB was a very good movie, the setting, themes, and tone, all play into completly separating itself from every other superhero moive.

 

[GreenKToo]

I agree with you on S.R....I think TDK will be a step above B.B.you cant go wrong with the joker,AND harvey dent..(well you can,but it would be hard to screw it up.)

TDK would crash and burn with a bad script. Superman Returns had barely a proper plot but survived anyway because of effects. Batman Begins was almost wholly plot-based, with very few special effects. The strength of its story is going to determine whether it makes it big. I am sure hoping for a good Batman story like those we fans have been reading in the comics for years now.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Hell, I loved every second of it.



Yes, but I happen to like those - and ultimately this is what James Bond is supposed to be.

I like them too. Like I said "I liked Casino Royale"

It just didn't really change my life or anything. I was expecting a little more.

 

[Anguissette1979]

I know posters who are refusing to read on here because they think the Hype ruined BB for them. Did someone hold a gun to their head and MAKE them read? No, but at the same time there's the "ooh look! Spoilers" factor that can suck people in.

We'll see if I can hold back peeking when there's more news

 

[kenellard]

I know posters who are refusing to read on here because they think the Hype ruined BB for them. Did someone hold a gun to their head and MAKE them read? No, but at the same time there's the "ooh look! Spoilers" factor that can suck people in.

We'll see if I can hold back peeking when there's more news

well since they're refusing to read on here I guess they'll never get a chance to reply to your query

 

[ascien]

i must admit.. i stopped reading these posts mid-way through the second page (so forgive me if i am repeating something said by someone earlier)..
but geesh.. c'mon people.. there is no 'perfect' movie.. there is no 'perfect' comic book.. there is absolutely no way to please every 'bat-fan'.. (whether it be in print or on film)..
am i the only one tired of reading the same thing over and over again..?
(ie: "i loved BB..!" "i hated BB..!" "nolan sux..!" "nolan rules..!")
please people.. if you didn't like BB, you probably won't like TDK; so stay away from the theatre.. (but please do not act like there is EVER gonna be a batman movie you'll like)..
& and if you liked BB, then enjoy TDK.. but this constant flaming is old, now..

understand this.. we could all focus on particular things we dis-liked about any movie.. that doesn't mean the movie wasn't good..

 

[Cinemaman]

Hmmm... months ago I didn't like the idea of Gyllenhaal for Dent (though I like him), but now I think he could work well.

 

[StorminNorman]

TDK would crash and burn with a bad script. Superman Returns had barely a proper plot but survived anyway because of effects. Batman Begins was almost wholly plot-based, with very few special effects. The strength of its story is going to determine whether it makes it big. I am sure hoping for a good Batman story like those we fans have been reading in the comics for years now.

You can poke as many wholes in Batman Begins plot as you can with Superman Returns. The difference is that Superman Returns takes place in (at the very least) a world with a few fantastical elements. Batman Begins strived for realism.

 

[Anguissette1979]

well since they're refusing to read on here I guess they'll never get a chance to reply to your query

Considering I talk to one of them every day in real life that's not a problem