The Dark Knight What colour scheme do you want for the Batsuit in TDK?

[Doc Holliday]

What about the shiny Black costume they used in B&R at the ending when they were fighting Mr. Freeze???

Hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha NO.

Nipples are never, ever acceptable. Or cheesy puns about the ice age.

 

[Thot]

Black & Grey

With the exception of the "briefs", this is spot-on perfect! Nolan.....please!!

 

[Doc Holliday]

I will admit, all the black-grey manips look great, but in the realistic view of things there's no practicality. He's supposed to blend in with the night, shadows, etc. as best he can, so he'd need all black. Plus if it's really dark, you wouldn't be able to tell anyway.

 

[mcallima]

I will admit, all the black-grey manips look great, but in the realistic view of things there's no practicality. He's supposed to blend in with the night, shadows, etc. as best he can, so he'd need all black. Plus if it's really dark, you wouldn't be able to tell anyway.

Not this again.

 

[batsone]

That's pretty goddamn awesome. Even the briefs don't look out of place, though I might swap them for harness straps. I've been saying since day one that the thin, conservative foam rubber pads that they used on the arms and legs looked great, while the bulky, elaborate padding on the torso looked bad--and as such, that they should take the same approach on the torso as they did on the limbs. You've taken that idea and put it towork here, and it look pretty damn awesome.

I'm adding a link to that to my signature.

Thanks very much. I wasn't so sure on the briefs, but i think it works. As for the blending thing, the use of the word BLEND kinda sums it up. Black and grey blend well, and would break up the solid mass that is Bats. Simple as that.

 

[Saint]

I will admit, all the black-grey manips look great, but in the realistic view of things there's no practicality. He's supposed to blend in with the night, shadows, etc. as best he can, so he'd need all black. Plus if it's really dark, you wouldn't be able to tell anyway.

Please read my signature, and then BatScot's signature, as they contain points that illustrate how grey is as effective as black for night camouflage.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Please read my signature, and then BatScot's signature, as they contain points that illustrate how grey is as effective as black for night camouflage.

BatScot's article does make some sense, it's definitely a valid point, but I think all black has a better aesthetic effect. Personal opinion.

 

[batmaluco]

^That gray is so dark that it can easily pass as black.

BTW, I voted for black without oval.

 

[Sun_Down]

Since the costume change is supposedly happening onscreen, it seems like it would be hard to explain a change from black to grey unless they wanna just break the 4th wall Cable and Deadpool-style and just wink at the camera and say, "Here ya go, fanboys".

 

[StorminNorman]

Black & Grey

A great manip and a very compelling argument for Black and Grey.

It doesn't change my mind in the least, but it is very nice.

 

[Super Kal]

blue, gray, and black

 

[Leon the Professional]

Aesthetically, I like the black and dark grey look very much, and think it's great for the comics. And I loved how he looked in the New TAS episodes.

But I can't envision Bruce in "real life" choosing to go two-tone instead of all black. Bruce is not someone to care about his suit being aesthetically pleasing. All he cares about is his suit making him look like a dark creature of the night, i.e. The Dark Knight, and nothing accomplishes that better than all black. Black is as dark as you can get. Batman should be like a living shadow.

Camouflage argument is silly. Batman hides out of sight or in the shadows, where the color of his suit, as long as it is dark, is irrelevant. Black or Black/Grey wouldn't make a difference in keeping him concealed.

It's a matter of what he looks like when someone DOES see him. The impression he gives off when he IS in plain sight. And Batman's costume shouldn't give off the impression of an aesthetically-designed two-tone suit clearly showing off a darker symbol on his chest, not to mention his darker underwear or whatever you wanna call it.

Now, admittedly, whatever criminal encounters him out somewhere in the middle of the night won't be squinting his eyes to see if he's wearing all black or also dark grey. So as long as its dark grey it wouldn't make a significant difference per se, but I can't envision Bruce, in his mindset and logic, not going all black. Especially since he's already started out all black.

In fact, I think the belt should be black too. There is no reason for him to be showing it off.

And let's be honest now. When people argue for black and grey, they're not motivated by the objective belief that black and grey is more effective for Batman's purposes. They argue for it because they like it, aesthetically, and they are trying to come up with reasons to justify it.

It's similar to how some people try to argue for how Wolverine's yellow spandex costume could work in the movies. As if someone of Wolverine's personality would ever WANT to wear something as bright and ridiculous-looking as that.

 

[lujho]

And let's be honest now. When people argue for black and grey, they're not motivated by the objective belief that black and grey is more effective for Batman's purposes. They argue for it because they like it, aesthetically, and they are trying to come up with reasons to justify it.

That's exactly what the all-black people do as well though. I wish people would all just admit that they want the look they want because the like how it looks. It's refreshing when they do.

I've never said the suit should be black and grey and not just black for any in-story reasons of practicality and realism. I just want a fresh look because I'm sick of the old one, and believe that the practical differences between dark grey and black are so insignificant as to be irrelevant to the argument.

And I really don't think it's really neccessary to have an in-story justification of why he might choose a two-tone look or change to one after previously being all black... apart from maybe Bruce's own aesthetic preference. It's okay to simply do something for the audience, as long as the difference is not too radical. If you wanted to go to a really light grey and blue, THEN you would need some in-story justification, and frankly you'd have a hard time finding it.

 

[Saint]

It's a matter of what he looks like when someone DOES see him. The impression he gives off when he IS in plain sight. And Batman's costume shouldn't give off the impression of an aesthetically-designed two-tone suit clearly showing off a darker symbol on his chest, not to mention his darker underwear or whatever you wanna call it.

I disagree. The fact that he put a bat-symbol on the chest proves rather plainly that he is on some level concerned with aesthetics.

In fact, I think the belt should be black too. There is no reason for him to be showing it off.

Agreed, but not for the reason you stated. I just think it looks cool.

And let's be honest now. When people argue for black and grey, they're not motivated by the objective belief that black and grey is more effective for Batman's purposes. They argue for it because they like it, aesthetically, and they are trying to come up with reasons to justify it.

You've got it backwards. Since I assume this is in response to my above post defending the merits of black and grey, I will explain that I make those arguments only to defeat those who insist that grey cannot be used because it "isn't stealthy enough" because they simply do not want to admit they just prefer black. I, however, have no trouble saying my only reasons for wanting grey are A) I like it, and B) it's what Batman wears.

It's similar to how some people try to argue for how Wolverine's yellow spandex costume could work in the movies. As if someone of Wolverine's personality would ever WANT to wear something as bright and ridiculous-looking as that.

I don't think that's an analogous situation at all. Wolverine doesn't care about aesthetics, where Batman obviously does (otherwise, he would not dress as a bat at all).

 

[Leon the Professional]

That's exactly what the all-black people do as well though. I wish people would all just admit that they want the look they want because the like how it looks. It's refreshing when they do.

I've never said the suit should be black and grey and not just black for any in-story reasons of practicality and realism. I just want a fresh look because I'm sick of the old one, and believe that the practical differences between dark grey and black are so insignificant as to be irrelevant to the argument.

And I really don't think it's really neccessary to have an in-story justification of why he might choose a two-tone look or change to one after previously being all black... apart from maybe Bruce's own aesthetic preference. It's okay to simply do something for the audience, as long as the difference is not too radical. If you wanted to go to a really light grey and blue, THEN you would need some in-story justification, and frankly you'd have a hard time finding it.

No, I do like how black and dark-grey looks more than all black, and a part of me would like to see that in Nolan's movies. I remember before Begins came out, BOF had a rumor report about the suit being black and charcoal grey, which got me really excited.

But despite liking how it looks more, I nevertheless think that it makes more sense for Batman's purposes for him to have an all-black suit.

 

[Leon the Professional]

I disagree. The fact that he put a bat-symbol on the chest proves rather plainly that he is on some level concerned with aesthetics.


Agreed, but not for the reason you stated. I just think it looks cool.


You've got it backwards. Since I assume this is in response to my above post defending the merits of black and grey, I will explain that I make those arguments only to defeat those who insist that grey cannot be used because it "isn't stealthy enough" because they simply do not want to admit they just prefer black. I, however, have no trouble saying my only reasons for wanting grey are A) I like it, and B) it's what Batman wears.


I don't think that's an analogous situation at all. Wolverine doesn't care about aesthetics, where Batman obviously does (otherwise, he would not dress as a bat at all).

Okay, if you admit that it's just what you want Batman to wear, that's cool. I myself would be very tempted to see Bale in a black/grey suit. But I care more about what makes sense for his character, especially when Nolan is going with a serious interpretation of the character that involves good rationale behind all the features of his costume.

Bruce cares about aesthetics only to the degree that he wants to look as much like a creature of the night as possible, and he just chose a bat motif for psychological and practical reasons, not aesthetical ones. His mindset is not concerned about mixing things up with some grey color because it's visually pleasing, just like he didn't pick a bat motif simply because he thought it would look good on him.

His bat motif is justified by practical reasons. The ears on his cowl contain antennaes, and his cape functions as a glider. What practical purpose does having grey in his suit serve? And remember, camouflage does not make sense, as I explained.

The bat symbol on the chest is something that a comicbook artist thought of when designing Batman's costume. But is it something that Batman himself would have thought of in designing his costume? I'm not so sure, and I don't think the symbol on his chest is that important at all. Nolan kept it, and I'm not saying he shouldn't have, just that it's necessity is debatable.

But let's just say that Batman does care about aesthetics to the degree of putting the symbol on his chest. There is still a difference between using it to stress the symbol he embodies, and designing a suit that is less dark than it can be.

 

[The Only Woj]

I know the BB suit was 'black', but it looked grey. it had the two-tone appearance due to the material differences in the cape and body suit. I don't know if a charcoal grey (as opposed to black) would really make a huge difference with whatever material they choose for the "new" suit. but I have no problem with it. at least with the BB suit being black, there were some times it looked two-tone and other times it looked solid black. if you go grey, I'm not sure if that will still be the case. could be. probably has a lot to do with how the material will react with light.

 

[kenellard]

Black & Grey

Put Bale in that costume for TDK, and I'm a very happy man

 

[batmaluco]

If you take the "does it come in black?" when he was testing the Tumbler, and then he indeed painted both in black (the car and the suit - the latter one onscreen), then I can guess the character Bruce Wayne, at least in Nolan's vision, prefers black.

For me, this is the last thing I would care. I wouldn't actually mind if Batman dress in black and grey, or all black or blue and grey.
Since we have a good story, direction, cast and performances, the color of the suit and the shape or size of his ears or the mouth opening... I don't really care

 

[deathfromabove]

i want it to be shades of black and grey, just like begins.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Black & Grey

Nice. Daddy like. t:

This would look good on screen and be a welcome change.

 

[raybia]

That's exactly what the all-black people do as well though. I wish people would all just admit that they want the look they want because the like how it looks. It's refreshing when they do.

I've never said the suit should be black and grey and not just black for any in-story reasons of practicality and realism. I just want a fresh look because I'm sick of the old one, and believe that the practical differences between dark grey and black are so insignificant as to be irrelevant to the argument.

And I really don't think it's really neccessary to have an in-story justification of why he might choose a two-tone look or change to one after previously being all black... apart from maybe Bruce's own aesthetic preference. It's okay to simply do something for the audience, as long as the difference is not too radical. If you wanted to go to a really light grey and blue, THEN you would need some in-story justification, and frankly you'd have a hard time finding it.

 

[Saint]

Okay, if you admit that it's just what you want Batman to wear, that's cool. I myself would be very tempted to see Bale in a black/grey suit. But I care more about what makes sense for his character, especially when Nolan is going with a serious interpretation of the character that involves good rationale behind all the features of his costume.

This is not correct (hint: there was no reason for him not to paint the belt black, too. No reason this "no need to explain it" approach can't be applied to a grey bodysuit).

Bruce cares about aesthetics only to the degree that he wants to look as much like a creature of the night as possible, and he just chose a bat motif for psychological and practical reasons, not aesthetical ones.

This is not correct either: Batman is not only concerned with looking like a "creature of the night." I don't want to repeat myself, so please read this post.

His mindset is not concerned about mixing things up with some grey color because it's visually pleasing,

I don't recall ever saying anything about pleasing. I said he's aesthetically minded--the suit is designed to be seen. The symbol is on his chest to be seen, or it would not be there at all.

His bat motif is justified by practical reasons. The ears on his cowl contain antennaes, and his cape functions as a glider. What practical purpose does having grey in his suit serve? And remember, camouflage does not make sense, as I explained.

It doesn't need to serve a purpose, by the same token that having it all black serves no purpose either.

The bat symbol on the chest is something that a comicbook artist thought of when designing Batman's costume. But is it something that Batman himself would have thought of in designing his costume? I'm not so sure, and I don't think the symbol on his chest is that important at all. Nolan kept it, and I'm not saying he shouldn't have, just that it's necessity is debatable.

If you believe this statement, then there is no point in us discussing this any further, because I actually want Batman to look like Batman.

But let's just say that Batman does care about aesthetics to the degree of putting the symbol on his chest. There is still a difference between using it to stress the symbol he embodies, and designing a suit that is less dark than it can be.

Secret tip: it can't stress "the symbol he embodies" if it can't be seen.

Finally, what does it matter if Bruce Wayne wants the suit to be aesthetically pleasing or not? This is not something that has ever been granted consideration in any Batman comic, ever--or for most heroes, period. The suit must be good-looking not because Bruce wants it to or not, but because character designs are supposed to look good, period. If this means all-black to you, fine, but don't waste my time with this "it shouldn't be grey because Bruce doesn't care about made-up-rationalization-X" crap.

 

[Two-Face]

I prefer all black batsuit with no oval but I'm all for black and grey.

 

[itsthebatman]

Put Bale in that costume for TDK, and I'm a very happy man

You always struck me as being a happy sort of chap anyway. But yes, it's a damn good suit, and one I'd like to see.