The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[Anno_Domini]

Batman shouldn't be a quitter. Sorry to all of you who gives nonstop praise to the film, but the ending was a fu**ing buzkill for me.

Batman, as the symbol, didn't quit.

 

[the dmg]

It was a good idea to add some humanity to Bane in last seconds

There was a tear in his eye in the closeup shot when Talia leaves.

 

[Tasogare Sebei]

Before Elseworld existed, they where called Imaginary Stories. The official name and stamp happened in 1989, but any Imaginary Story is still considered Elseworld. If you go and look in the official DC database, The Dark Knight Returns is under Elseworld.

I could find no link in the DC database to support your assertion that Imaginary Stories are synonymous with Elseworld. I also found no information to categorize The Dark Knight Returns as an Imaginary Story. However, I found the following information:

"'The Dark Knight Returns' is not considered a part of mainstream continuity, and retroactively labeled an Elseworld story."
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns_Vol_1

"DKR takes place in a timeline outside the continuity of the DC Universe, but is still considered at least partially faithful to the source material and Batman mythos at the time it debuted."
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns

The quotes beg the following questions:
Who decides to retroactively label DKR as an Elseworld story?
Who establishes DKR to be outside the continuity of the DC Universe?
Who gauges the level of faithfulness to the source material?

As far as I know, wikipedia type databases comprise voluntary information from secondary sources and that makes them highly subjective, arbitrary, and unreliable. Now I understand why college professors strongly discourage using wikipedia as a reference. However, we can use the database as a premise for the discourse. Imaginary Stories becomes a non sequitir based on the information provided by the database. Furthermore, the internet did not exist in 1986 as we know it today and for this reason the contributor or source abitrarily and retroactively categorizes DKR as an Elseworld story. I am unaware of any baccalaureate or doctoral programs for categorizing comic books and canonizing them.

 

[pixiesvision]

Young Talia didn't have a mole on her forehead. Unforgivable...

 

[Travesty]

I could find no link in the DC database to support your assertion that Imaginary Stories are synonymous with Elseworld. I also found no information to categorize The Dark Knight Returns as an Imaginary Story. However, I found the following information:

"'The Dark Knight Returns' is not considered a part of mainstream continuity, and retroactively labeled an Elseworld story."
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns_Vol_1

"DKR takes place in a timeline outside the continuity of the DC Universe, but is still considered at least partially faithful to the source material and Batman mythos at the time it debuted."
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns

The quotes beg the following questions:
Who decides to retroactively label DKR as an Elseworld story?
Who establishes DKR to be outside the continuity of the DC Universe?
Who gauges the level of faithfulness to the source material?

As far as I know, wikipedia type databases comprise voluntary information from secondary sources and that makes them highly subjective, arbitrary, and unreliable. Now I understand why college professors strongly discourage using wikipedia as a reference. However, we can use the database as a premise for the discourse. Imaginary Stories becomes a non sequitir based on the information provided by the database. Furthermore, the internet did not exist in 1986 as we know it today and for this reason the contributor or source abitrarily and retroactively categorizes DKR as an Elseworld story. I am unaware of any baccalaureate or doctoral programs for categorizing comic books and canonizing them.

Here's the first link of some stuff labeled under "Elseworld", which of course, you'll see the cover to many Elseworld tales, and TDKR is included in many of those cover arts.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Elseworlds

Then if you go into the database, and search "Elseworld", you'll see a list at the end of books that don't have the stamp, but are considered Elseworld by DC.

To readers of DC comics, Elseworlds can fall under any writing style not affiliated with the DC comics universe. Titles like Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (1986), Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? (1986)....were referred to as Elseworlds in the DC Universe without the name brand logo.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Elseworlds

 

[Tasogare Sebei]

Here's the first link of some stuff labeled under "Elseworld", which of course, you'll see the cover to many Elseworld tales, and TDKR is included in many of those cover arts.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Elseworlds

Then if you go into the database, and search "Elseworld", you'll see a list at the end of books that don't have the stamp, but are considered Elseworld by DC.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Elseworlds

Now I know and "knowing is half the battle." However, the information does nothing to eliminate the fact that some contributor retroactively labeled The Dark Knight Returns as an Elseworld story, which sets precedence for your information. You and he/she were probably still toddlers when I read the series. Again, excuse me for being ignorant of the lexicon developed over the past sixteen years or so.

 

[Travesty]

Now I know and "knowing is half the battle." However, the information does nothing to eliminate the fact that some contributor retroactively labeled The Dark Knight Returns as an Elseworld story, which sets precedence for your information. You and he/she were probably still toddlers when I read the series. Again, excuse me for being ignorant of the lexicon developed over the past sixteen years or so.

Well, if you need more proof, I hear that the introduction to the 10th anniversary edition admits TDKR to being the "first Elseworld tale", although, I don't own it, I only have the originals.

It should be noted that The Dark Knight Returns, is an Elseworlds story. Yes, I know that it doesn't say so on the cover, but the Elseworlds name wasn't created until after TDKR was published, and this story definitely falls under that category, due to the fact that it is a "possible future" for Batman. Read the new introduction to The Dark Knight Returns (in the 10th anniversary release) - they explain that it was the first Elseworlds story. Kingdom Come also falls under this heading.

 

[Tasogare Sebei]

Well, if you need more proof, I hear that the introduction to the 10th anniversary edition admits TDKR to being the "first Elseworld tale", although, I don't own it, I only have the originals.

I am cool if you are cool. By the way, I like your avatar. I have seen the artwork before, but cannot recall the artist's name. His work has a psychedelic motif that resembles Buddhist mandalas.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

After a second viewing, a lot of my problems either disappeared or I felt less hate about. Overall, I like the film much more now. But I still have very few and small problems.

 

[Travesty]

I am cool if you are cool. By the way, I like your avatar. I have seen the artwork before, but cannot recall the artist's name. His work has a psychedelic motif that resemble Buddhist mandalas.

Alex Grey

 

[The Guard]

That's the whole point of Batman. Batman wants to rid Gotham of ALL crime. And Bruce Wayne is literally sacrificing his life to make sure others don't lose their lives like he did when he was eight years old.

There's just so much out of character with this film. Again like Raimi in the last 2 Spider-Man films, Nolan went on an artistic tangent and missed the point of who Batman is and what he's about.

While I like a lot of what he did, I’d tend to agree. It just pales in comparison to the comic book mythology and nature of Bruce Wayne/Batman there.

One of the major compelling elements of Batman is that not only won’t he quit…he can’t. The war doesn’t end. It goes on. I'm glad he at least bequeathed the cape and cowl to Blake, because otherwise, the end of this film could have been a serious failure to understand Batman's basic mission.

In Tim Burton's interpretation, Batman kills the Joker to satisfy his vengeance, thus eliminating the intrinsic motivation to be a guardian

No, he didn't eliminate the motivation to be a guardian. Tim Burton’s Batman fought all crime, even after The Joker was killed. He wasn’t only Batman for personal reasons.

No, Batman didn't intentionally kill Joker in B89. He was trying to stop him from going in the helicopter, so he hooked his leg to the gargoyle. The head came off, and dragged The Joker down, and he fell because of it.

Look at the look on his face when he realizes Joker is escaping. He does it on purpose. He chooses that gadget for a reason. And he wanted to kill The Joker anyway.

 

[Tasogare Sebei]

No, he didn't eliminate the motivation to be a guardian. Tim Burton’s Batman fought all crime, even after The Joker was killed. He wasn’t only Batman for personal reasons.

The movie's conclusion mitigates the stark disruption to the mythos. Batman derives impetus from never being able to avenge his parents' death. He initially serves the lesser self or ego, but evolves to the greater self or the superego. Consequently, Batman executes his crusade against crime and has done so for the past eighty plus years if you adhere strictly to the comic book's continuity. However, Tim Burton's artistic liberty undermines the rationale for such an evolution to occur. Batman achieves his end, making the conclusion contrived.

 

[The Guard]

That's...not what Batman is about.

That's not why he does what he does. He doesn't do it because he couldn't avenge his parents murder.

His mission isn't one of vengeance. This is largely an invention of the films.

 

[Tasogare Sebei]

That's...not what Batman is about.

That's not why he does what he does. He doesn't do it because he couldn't avenge his parents murder.

His mission isn't one of vengeance. This is largely an invention of the films.

I never said Batman uses vengeance as the modus operandi for his crusade. Do you understand the Buddhist concept of the lesser and greater selves? Sigmund Freud's ego and superego represent the occidental equivalent. Batman serves his greater self or superego to enact his crusade, which evolves from the initial desire for vengeance. He realizes the futility of revenge, at least based on what Batman Begins conveys as a premise. I believe the movie directly refers to Batman: Year One as its source material.

 

[Mito88]

That's the whole point of Batman. Batman wants to rid Gotham of ALL crime. And Bruce Wayne is literally sacrificing his life to make sure others don't lose their lives like he did when he was eight years old.

There's just so much out of character with this film. Again like Raimi in the last 2 Spider-Man films, Nolan went on an artistic tangent and missed the point of who Batman is and what he's about.

The end of TDKR should have been Batman standing on that rooftop with the batsignal in the sky like the 89' film. The movie should have concluded with Batman ready to continue as Gotham City's guardian.

THIS x10

 

[Anno_Domini]

Getting rid of the mobs and the League of Shadows is a pretty big thing. Getting rid of The Joker is a pretty big thing and we're asking for an ending of Nolan's trilogy to be Batman standing tall? Bruce Wayne WILL die. I'd prefer Bruce, after taking down his biggest oppositions, handing the "keys" to someone else, and it happened.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

That weird mole near Christian Bale's right eye. It was all I could see for the first few scenes in IMAX.

 

[comicsuperhero]

The biggest peeve was how Blake figures out Bruce is Batman. That dialogue made no sense. He saw his facial expression as a child and knew he was batman? Seriously? We couldn't get a little bit more creative? Maybe people were running out of time with the script.

me too. If Blake figured it out from that, that they both were hiding angry faces, then why'd it take Gordon 5 seconds to the end of the movie to figure out it was Bruce Wayne? Gordon's brilliant, and it doesn't make sense. Unless he didn't want to know who Batman was.

 

[comicsuperhero]

That weird mole near Christian Bale's right eye. It was all I could see for the first few scenes in IMAX.

Great. Didn't notice it before, but that will be all I'll be looking for next time I watch it.

 

[comicsuperhero]

Originally Posted by Phatman
That's the whole point of Batman. Batman wants to rid Gotham of ALL crime. And Bruce Wayne is literally sacrificing his life to make sure others don't lose their lives like he did when he was eight years old.

There's just so much out of character with this film. Again like Raimi in the last 2 Spider-Man films, Nolan went on an artistic tangent and missed the point of who Batman is and what he's about.

The end of TDKR should have been Batman standing on that rooftop with the batsignal in the sky like the 89' film. The movie should have concluded with Batman ready to continue as Gotham City's guardian.

THIS x10

this x 100.

 

[Zatanna]

Great. Didn't notice it before, but that will be all I'll be looking for next time I watch it.

LOL. I've never noticed it either.

 

[Anno_Domini]

That weird mole near Christian Bale's right eye. It was all I could see for the first few scenes in IMAX.

You asked for it....

 

[comicsuperhero]

Didn't like the way Cotillard said "Indeed." after a long pause in a Brit accent at the Wayne party? Weird.

 

[comicsuperhero]

You asked for it....

I hate you so bad right now.

 

[comicsuperhero]

Overall, I enjoyed the movie. IMO BB is still the best of the three, but that is my opinion.
A couple things bothered me while watching this..

1. Why did Bane sound like Sean Connery ?

2. How did Bruce make it back to Gotham - that prison appeared to be in the middle east, yet he somehow made it to an airport and flew to Gotham all within a few hours ?

3. The prison didn't seem that violent. Seemed like everyone was just hanging out waiting for the next prisoner to try and escape.

4. Its been covered countless times already, but I definitely didnt like the whole "I saw the look on your face" nonsense. Bruce didn't even try to deny being Batman - he just sorta accepted it.

5. The Wall Street siege. Starts during the day, only lasts around 10 minutes tops, and suddenly it's night. I seem to remember that being one of the big complaints about a certain X-Men movie just a few years ago - not comparing the two movies. However, if the same flaw appears in both movies...they should receive the same criticism for it.

and finally.....

6. The ending. Say it's stupid....but I would have been happier and felt that I saw the entire Bruce/Batman journey if Batman had died at the end. That ending was something that a comic book writer would have come up with to explain a character reappearing years after being killed off. It was crap IMO.

These.