The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

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I dislike Bale's approach to playing Bruce. He seems to lack intelligence (and I know Bruce sometimes acts dopish and absentminded in public, but that's not what I'm referring to; the board meeting scene in TDK was actually fine with me) and speak in this glib, fratboyish manner that's totally foreign to my conception of the character from the comics and animated series. I sometimes wonder if Bale ever opened one of the comics.
 
Considering there are like 5 different 'Bruce's' Bale is portraying...i think he is doing great.
 
I dislike Bale's approach to playing Bruce. He seems to lack intelligence (and I know Bruce sometimes acts dopish and absentminded in public, but that's not what I'm referring to; the board meeting scene in TDK was actually fine with me) and speak in this glib, fratboyish manner that's totally foreign to my conception of the character from the comics and animated series. I sometimes wonder if Bale ever opened one of the comics.
He has said in interviews that the only time he read any Batman comics or anything, was right before BB. After that, he hasn't touched them again.

Although, I do like his Bruce Wayne.
 
I dislike Bale's approach to playing Bruce. He seems to lack intelligence (and I know Bruce sometimes acts dopish and absentminded in public, but that's not what I'm referring to; the board meeting scene in TDK was actually fine with me) and speak in this glib, fratboyish manner that's totally foreign to my conception of the character from the comics and animated series. I sometimes wonder if Bale ever opened one of the comics.

Isn't that more of a writing problem?
 
Isn't that more of a writing problem?

exactly my thoughts... and he is also a different Bruce with Alfred, with Rachel, with Lucious, Publicly, and with himself (i.e. batman)
 
I love Bale's Bruce. I don't like to compare him to the comic book Batman and say "This is what's wrong and this is how he should always be".
 
Isn't that more of a writing problem?

Well, certainly some of the blame goes to the writing, but there are numerous instances where I can see how a different line reading and facial expression was possible.
 
Oh Ill still see it at least once in the theatre. And it might be an OK movie. But I already know it will be the worst of the 3... at least for me.
You have not seen it yet. Maybe you should be more open minded and say to yourself " **** the comics"
 
Kevin Conroy has the best Batman voice so I always think of him as Bruce but in reality Bale is the best Bruce Wayne/Batman there's ever been. Kilmer? Horrible. Clooney? COuldve been a great Bruce waste of potential. Keaton? Awesome but still lacks the complexity of Bale. Bale's played os many different forms of Bruce over the films now! He is the character in my mind!
 
I dislike Bale's approach to playing Bruce. He seems to lack intelligence (and I know Bruce sometimes acts dopish and absentminded in public, but that's not what I'm referring to; the board meeting scene in TDK was actually fine with me) and speak in this glib, fratboyish manner that's totally foreign to my conception of the character from the comics and animated series. I sometimes wonder if Bale ever opened one of the comics.
I do prefer the take of Bruce/Batman always being the smartest guy in the room. It's a fault with the writing and giving him so many father figures (Alfred, Fox, Ra's) in the series.
 
How exactly?
I've talked about this in other threads. The Gordon ''escalation speech'' and ''i never said thank you'' ''you'll never have to'' exchange really set the dynamic up that we were getting the beginning of the Batman universe from the comics. TDK followed that idea by introducing The Joker ''you've changed things. Forever'' ''you and I are destined to do this forever''. In TDK Bruce was trying to retire so Harvey could save the city but when Harvey and Rachel were killed I thought it made Batman resign to the fact that he was fated to be Gotham's Dark Knight from here on it. I haven't seen TDKR yet but I thought the the Jokers and Gordan's statements from the previous films would ring true in the sense that more costumed theatrical criminals would show up after everything that had happened.

All in all, I think the 8 year gap might just be a contrived plot devise to give this film a Dark Knight Returns vibe because it's the last one. I think this would be a great idea had we had as many films as the Harry Potter series. But three films in and Batman having relatively very little time spent being Batman, it makes it a huge departure from the other versions I love.
 
I never saw Batman/Bruce's intelligence in his speech in any of the Batman comics I've read. I think you see him as a really smart guy in the comics more because of his actions than anything else.

That said, I think The Dark Knight really failed to make Wayne seem like a genius detective; BB did a better job in some scenes, but he's supposed to seem wet behind the ears in that film anyway.

What I don't like about the direction these films have taken is how Nolan said stuff along the lines of "Well, Robin's just a kid around the time of Batman Begins, so of course he'll never be in our series. We're telling the story of a young Bruce Wayne." And then, now, they seem to be ending the series. If Bruce Wayne is no longer Batman at the end of TDKR, I think I will be a bit disappointed, because with the Joker's "forever and ever" I assumed that we're to imagine that all of the incarnations of Batman's rogues' gallery will pop up in the future, and we're just seeing how Batman first came to meet his nemesis. I was also quite disappointed with the death of Harvey; I assumed that he would be locked up in Arkham with the funeral being a fake one (since they just faked Gordon's death), while Batman spent the next few years on the run, a vigilante again. Years down the road, an older Harvey would come back to haunt him as Two-Face. (Didn't Nolan at one point say he wouldn't kill of anyone who hadn't died in the comics?)

I don't like the idea that the entire story of Batman can be reduced to three episodes, and I hope it doesn't play out that way at the end of TDKR. Maybe it won't.
 
You people who want the film versions to match up perfectly with the comics are being delusional. I don't like it because there is no Robin, because someone died, this is a limited film run by a director who is seeing it as his vision. He's not obliged to pay homage to every character, every interpretation, Batman being batman for 40 years, etc. Appreciate the films for what they are, don't nitpick at things that aren't in the film. Batman has been a comic character for over 70~ years, chances are some things are going to be left out. If you are going to gripe, gripe about something that is actually in the film.
 
I don't like it because there is no Robin, because someone died, this is a limited film run by a director who is seeing it as his vision.

If you paid attention, my gripe was with the incoherency of Nolan's original "vision." First he plans for this to just be our introduction to the character, leaving open an infinite universe/space for Batman to be the legend that his experiences in BB and TDK groomed him to be, leaving room for his ongoing trials with the Joker; now we're facing the possibility that this will be the end of Batman. It doesn't make sense to me to limit his "vision" so based on what I remember from BB interviews.
 
I would say that I don't like the look of Gotham in this, BUT I think it looks better than in TDK.
 
I'm not a fan of the eight year gap in crime fighting either but it will be less of an issue once the movie is released.
 
I dislike Bale's approach to playing Bruce. He seems to lack intelligence (and I know Bruce sometimes acts dopish and absentminded in public, but that's not what I'm referring to; the board meeting scene in TDK was actually fine with me) and speak in this glib, fratboyish manner that's totally foreign to my conception of the character from the comics and animated series. I sometimes wonder if Bale ever opened one of the comics.

Though Bale's slightly Keanu-like American accent doesn't help, I think that Nolan has from the start intended his Batman to be not particularly intelligent, though I'm not sure why he chose to do this. Here are some a few things that I think clearly show this intention, and aren't just examples of thoughtlessness:

1) Batman relies on Lucius Fox to design all of his gadgets and technology. Lucius even comes up with the ideas for the gadgets on his own. Batman seems barely even included in the design of anything. Contrast how in the 1989 Batman, Batman figured out the Joker's cosmetic poisoning scheme by himself, basically out-geniusing the Joker, whereas in Batman Begins, Batman was only able to beat the Scarecrow because Lucius Fox took it upon himself to devise an antidote to the Scarecrow's poison, saving Batman's life and, by making him immune to the poison, allowing him to be at all effective against the Scarecrow. And when Lucius explains to Bruce Wayne how the antidote worked, Bruce says something like, "Can you put that in English?", which is the standard movie line to show that a character is much less smart than another one. In the Dark Knight, Batman is even more dependent on Lucius. Before Batman turns on Lucius' crystal ball-like sonar contraption at the end of the movie, he has made exactly zero progress against the Joker. Even after that he only is able to physically defeat the Joker because of the forearms blades that Lucius came up with and built completely on his own.

2) Batman is dependent on Alfred for much of his strategic thinking. In Batman Begins, he has to ask Alfred to come up with a plan to cover up his equipment purchases, and then in the Dark Knight it is Alfred's job to come up with the alibi for Batman's trip to China to kidnap the mob accountant. Probably the clearest example of Nolan's changes to Batman, is when Batman, usually portrayed as the "world's greatest detective", is corrected by his butler on a point of criminal psychology. In fact, Batman's views on criminal psychology were that there wasn't much to it and it wasn't worth thinking too hard about. Bale's Batman reminds me a lot of Brad Pitt's character in Seven.

3) No one seems to respect Batman/Bruce Wayne, except for Gordon who seems a little too enamored with him. The villains, Scarecrow, Joker, Maroni and Ra's Al Ghul all talk to Batman like he's some kid playing detective. They all just seem annoyed and impatient with Baman. Think about the scene in the Dark Knight where Batman's trying way too hard to scare Maroni with his Batman voice, and Maroni's just smirking at him like he's nothing. Meanwhile, Rachel Dawes always seems frustrated by his shallow ideas about morality and justice.
 
If you paid attention, my gripe was with the incoherency of Nolan's original "vision." First he plans for this to just be our introduction to the character, leaving open an infinite universe/space for Batman to be the legend that his experiences in BB and TDK groomed him to be, leaving room for his ongoing trials with the Joker; now we're facing the possibility that this will be the end of Batman. It doesn't make sense to me to limit his "vision" so based on what I remember from BB interviews.

Did I quote you? No? Okay, thanks. I was generalizing the same complaints we have been hearing for about 8 years now.
 
I never saw Batman/Bruce's intelligence in his speech in any of the Batman comics I've read. I think you see him as a really smart guy in the comics more because of his actions than anything else.

That said, I think The Dark Knight really failed to make Wayne seem like a genius detective; BB did a better job in some scenes, but he's supposed to seem wet behind the ears in that film anyway.

What I don't like about the direction these films have taken is how Nolan said stuff along the lines of "Well, Robin's just a kid around the time of Batman Begins, so of course he'll never be in our series. We're telling the story of a young Bruce Wayne." And then, now, they seem to be ending the series. If Bruce Wayne is no longer Batman at the end of TDKR, I think I will be a bit disappointed, because with the Joker's "forever and ever" I assumed that we're to imagine that all of the incarnations of Batman's rogues' gallery will pop up in the future, and we're just seeing how Batman first came to meet his nemesis. I was also quite disappointed with the death of Harvey; I assumed that he would be locked up in Arkham with the funeral being a fake one (since they just faked Gordon's death), while Batman spent the next few years on the run, a vigilante again. Years down the road, an older Harvey would come back to haunt him as Two-Face. (Didn't Nolan at one point say he wouldn't kill of anyone who hadn't died in the comics?)

I don't like the idea that the entire story of Batman can be reduced to three episodes, and I hope it doesn't play out that way at the end of TDKR. Maybe it won't.

And he said Robin was in a crib at the time of Begins, which would make him around 9-10 years old during TDKR, which doesn't make Nolan condescending.
 
I hope we get another Sonar moment like in TDK. That scene totally depicts Bruce in control of the situation, no questions asked. He's so cold and acts without equivocation when it comes to doing what is necessary.
 
Almost everything about Bane. The voice, no luchador mask, the actor not being pro wrestler size in muscle mass, and no Venom (they could've used PCP at least). I know Tom Hardy will do fine, but as a fan of the character, I can't help, but feel underwhelmed.
 
Almost everything about Bane. The voice, no luchador mask, the actor not being pro wrestler size in muscle mass, and no Venom (they could've used PCP at least). I know Tom Hardy will do fine, but as a fan of the character, I can't help, but feel underwhelmed.

The actor not being a pro wrestler? And to be honest with u we got that version of bane in batman and robin lol...and we all know how that turned out....i do wish hardy was a bit bulkier though
 
Almost everything about Bane. The voice, no luchador mask, the actor not being pro wrestler size in muscle mass, and no Venom (they could've used PCP at least). I know Tom Hardy will do fine, but as a fan of the character, I can't help, but feel underwhelmed.
Yeah, as a fan of the character, I totally agree. Same with being a huge fan of Ra's. Nolan just doesn't get it, although, I think Bane will be closer to his counterpart than Ra's was, so at least that's something....
 
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