The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[Golgo-13]

Is this moment in reference to 8 years ago though? I didn't like it either and it's one of the reasons I didn't like John Blake overall in this film.

A friend of mine said that there are only two reasons why this ending of this film could bring him peace...

1). Blake simply becomes Robin, and fights alongside Bruce when he someday returns as Batman, or:

2). Blake is Batman for a month, and then one day Bruce and Selina get a package in France, and it's John Blake's head in a cowl with a note from the Joker saying "Don't forget our date with forever."

Some of the one liners kind of rubbed me the wrong way and although it makes sense Bane had to die...and I would've been pissed if Batman killed him, I wish it would've been a better ending for Bane.

Overall I did like this film, it has it's great moments...but where BB and TDK were instant classics and perfect 10's...this one felt like a 8 out of 10.

My thing with him knowing Bruce was batman is that it didn't really add anything to the story. He could have found out at the end.

When Bruce climbs out of the prison, he throw the rope down, i assume so others can get out, but aren't a lot of the people down their actual criminals who belong there...?

 

[shawnm]

My thing with him knowing Bruce was batman is that it didn't really add anything to the story. He could have found out at the end.

When Bruce climbs out of the prison, he throw the rope down, i assume so others can get out, but aren't a lot of the people down their actual criminals who belong there...?

I noticed the rope thing as well. Didn't he leave the rope at the bottom? Which rope did he throw down? One that was at the top? Why?

 

[db85usa]

The knee injury and Bruce deciding out of the blue to strap it in place. Alfred disappearing for the entire movie after Bruce gets mad about Alfred telling the truth about Rachel. Hmm, ok? This coming from the guy who hides behind the lie that Harvey Dent is a hero and takes the fall for all those murders. I'm also against Batman ever revealing his true identity. I hate it with a passion. Listening to Bane was like listening to someone talk through a hollow pvc pipe. Too many new characters to not care enough for. I did not care for Gordon in this one the way I did in TDK. I hated the John Blake character. I knew something was up when he was secretly cast as Red Herring.

Batman in daylight. I posted a very very long time before we had any idea about Rises and before it was in production that I had a feeling Batman would appear more during the day. Hans Zimmers score is awesome but overpowers the dialogue throughout the movie. I've been to three different theaters already and still has that same issue. Funny because in Begins, the music wasn't loud enough during some scenes! The list goes on. It is sad because nobody expected Heath Ledger to pass away and I think Nolan and Co. were going to ride the Joker character to the end and with Rises, the whole thing was sporadic to me plot wise, action wise. It wasn't constantly entertaining like BB and TDK.

Best Scenes: Alfred/Bruce's conversation in the cave while Bruce stares at the suit, the first Batman and Bane fight. The prison/pit scene I really really loved.

Best characters: Its obvious -- Bruce/Batman, Bane, Selina Kyle.

 

[The Guard]

Batman in daylight felt pretty arbitrary.

I would very much have liked to have seen Batman in the early morning hours, moving into the dawn as the film ended.

 

[Golgo-13]

I noticed the rope thing as well. Didn't he leave the rope at the bottom? Which rope did he throw down? One that was at the top? Why?

Yeah, once he got to the top he tossed down the huge rope/ladder that was sitting at the edge of the entrance ( i assume that's how Bane and co took Bruce down their to begin with).

That place is full of criminals, i was just wondering why he would throw it down there, especially after it was suggested that some of the men down their probably raped you know who's mother to death and did god knows what else to her...

 

[The Guard]

Yeah, that whole thing was kind of vague. I'm not sure how that place is a "Hell" that would create a monster like Bane. They all seemed to be falsely imprisoned or something, and working together to escape. Except that when Bane was there, they mauled him?

 

[drunkhomer]

I didn't like how Foley dies

and I didn't like the last scene was Blake rising

 

[Figs]

I didn't like how Alfred never had a "nevah" or "tangerine" moment or line in this film.

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

I'm going to say basically everything in the movie except for Bane and his music. I've been thinking about it all night, and i'm saddened and frustrated at just how ineptly the film was written, edited and directed.

Edit: Did anyone else feel like the big moments from the trailers, other than the bridges and the football stadium blowing up, fell extremely flat in their proper context?

 

[Pauluz]

Was anyone else distracted by the shockingly bad extra's? The prisoners in the pit chanting Bruce out of the pit, you would think they would learn what the exact words are, right? Also, you could clearly see fake punches (rehersal style) in the massive cops versus mercenaries fight. It felt to me like playfighting at school as a kid.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

I only have a couple of minor gripes with it. Overall, I was really, really impressed by what they did.
1. Bane's voice being completely overdubbed in the prologue. I don't mind overdubbing, but the delivery of his lines seem unnatural now, and instead of having the menacing feel of the original, he just sounds really cheeky.
2. [BLACKOUT]Bane's death.[/BLACKOUT] Just felt a little underwhelming for me.
3. The lack of Batman, although I don't think this movie would have really worked better with more scenes of Bruce in the costume.
4. Some pretty cringey lines, like when Daggett spells out what the clean slate is, 'I'm not afraid, I'm angry', and especially:
"So, you came back to die with your precious Gotham."
"No, Bane. I came back... TO STOP YOU"

On the whole though, I really enjoyed the film. Have to see it a few more times to really say where it stands among BB & TDK (I'm one of those who prefer BB to TDK).

 

[CrimsonDeath]

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I also don't understand how JGL just happened across Gordon as he came out of the sewer. Was there a reason he was right there or was it just a coincidence? If it was just a happy accident that's dang near inexcusable. I can suspend reality only to a certain point.
Other than those and a few other tiny gripes, great movie.

Sorry if someone already chimed in.
Remember that a body was found outside the same sewer offshoot earlier in the movie. Perhaps Blake knew that that was the place the water flowed towards. Close enough to where all the action took place. If Gordon was dead or actually escaped the sewers, that was the place he would likely exit.

 

[Superboy-Prime]

Yeah, once he got to the top he tossed down the huge rope/ladder that was sitting at the edge of the entrance ( i assume that's how Bane and co took Bruce down their to begin with).

That place is full of criminals, i was just wondering why he would throw it down there, especially after it was suggested that some of the men down their probably raped you know who's mother to death and did god knows what else to her...

The prison was owned by Bane and Bruce being down there was just showing that any one of them could have been innocent.

I had the impression that Bane killed all the inmates in the fight before the LOS came.

 

[honsq90]

I only have a couple of minor gripes with it. Overall, I was really, really impressed by what they did.
1. Bane's voice being completely overdubbed in the prologue. I don't mind overdubbing, but the delivery of his lines seem unnatural now, and instead of having the menacing feel of the original, he just sounds really cheeky.
2. [BLACKOUT]Bane's death.[/BLACKOUT] Just felt a little underwhelming for me.
3. The lack of Batman, although I don't think this movie would have really worked better with more scenes of Bruce in the costume.
4. Some pretty cringey lines, like when Daggett spells out what the clean slate is, 'I'm not afraid, I'm angry', and especially:
"So, you came back to die with your precious Gotham."
"No, Bane. I came back... TO STOP YOU"

On the whole though, I really enjoyed the film. Have to see it a few more times to really say where it stands among BB & TDK (I'm one of those who prefer BB to TDK).

The clean slate thing wasn't too bad in context. He was mocking the idea of a clean slate. He said something along the lines of, "A clean slate? The thing where you type in your name and your record is gone? Doesn't that sound too good to be true?"

 

[ShadowBoxer]

The movie just didn't feel epic enough for me. But some of the things that I really didn't care for.

1. No Joker mention or reference at all. I mean they could have at least said. He was moved out of Gotham or something, just so people would have closer on the characters fate. (I mean he did play a BIG part into Bruce going into retirement after all...)

2. Blake having so much screen time. And also his real name is such a WTF moment for me.

3. The fact that Blake knew Bruce was Batman early on in the movie but it really didn't serve the story all that much.

4. Catwoman not being developed all that much. But Anne was fantastic as her. They could have cut some of the Blake stuff and added more Selina stuff.

5. The famous Bane breaking Batman's back scene was meh. It lacked the emotional weight and impact (imo and no one in the audience reacted to it). It was just the really quick move. And Batman didn't even scream or anything...

6. The final fight between Bats and Bane was a letdown and wasn't as good as the first fight between them. Plus Bane's death was underwhelming.

7. Alfred being gone for a large chunk of the movie.




I know it seems like I hated the movie (I didn't), I actually did like it ( I give it an 8/10) but I was just hoping it was going to be more epic that what it was.

 

[Troy_Parker]

How Bane IMMEDIATELY becomes nobody the second Talia shows up and...

When Bruce is climbing out of the pit, when the prisoners are chanting... and you see the prisoners chanting, there's shots where literally nobody's mouth matches up with the score/chant. Was that such a hard thing to do?

Although the latter is just a nitpick.

 

[joker1524]

Not enough bat and catwoman screen time...i wanted more scenes between the two

 

[ThePhantasm]

Things I didn't like:

1. Soundtrack overwhelming dialogue in places.
2. The Robin reference.
3. The breakneck pacing of the first half of the film... award editing. I guess it was due to IMAX time constraints but still.
4. A few plot holes. Some things were difficult to understand. Why did Bane want to "liberate Gotham"? If they could blow the bomb at any time and always intended to, why wait so long to do it?
5. John Blake's whole character felt unnecessary. I liked his first scene with Bruce where he talked about their similar pain, though not his quick deduction that Bruce was Batman. Other than that, I thought his character could have, aside from the final scenes, been replaced with Gordon throughout the film instead of having Gordon be injured.
6. Speaking of: not enough Gordon.

Some things others in this thread seemed to dislike which I actually liked:

1. Bane's voice. Aside from one or two scenes where he said something too fast, he was easy to understand and I liked the whole Vader vibe.
2. Alfred leaving. Given that this actually happened in the Knightfall arc, for similar reasons (Alfred fed up with Bruce destroying his life), this was nice. The proper place, I think, to take the Bruce / Alfred relationship.

Things I loved (for contrast to the above):

All the Knightfall / No Man's Land Stuff. Bane hurting Bruce's back. Bruce's time in the pit and his rising out of it. That stuff was epic in every way. This film also seemed a bit more campy, and had more of a comic-book feel than TDK if I'm honest. TDK was a better crafted film, but TDKR was a better Batman film.

 

[Saint]

Plot Holes / Dropped Story Arcs

1. Who was the guy in the body bag at the beginning of the movie that Bane gives the blood transfusion? This seemed really important but we never see him again.

2. Why were Bane's men SOOOO loyal to him? The guy at the beginning pretty much dies because Bane said so. It's never explained what the Fire Rises is.

3. How did Bane find out about Batman's true identity and his 'toys'? Was there a leak?

What do you guys think?

1. The military believed the doctor was killed (as per a scene during the football game). This is because Bane pumped the doctor's blood into the body, so when they tried to identify it via bloodtest they would believe it was him.

2. Because Bane (with Talia) leads the League of Shadows. Like Ra's men, all those people are true believers in the cause. It's a cult. The fire rising is what Ra's always wanted: for Gotham to burn.

3. Presumably, because Talia has known about Bruce for years. Maybe she wasn't completely estranged from Ra's Al Ghul; they may have had some contact before Ra's died and she may have known that Bruce was his student. From that she would have guessed he was also Batman. More likely, however, is that she simply used the vast resources of the League to investigate her fathers death--and in the nearly ten years that passed between that event and TDKR, she could have uncovered Bruce's identity, and via her involvement in Wayne Enterprises learned plenty more.

 

[Figs]

1. The military believed the doctor was killed (as per a scene during the football game). This is because Bane pumped the doctor's blood into the body, so when they tried to identify it via bloodtest they would believe it was him.

Yup, and they even have Lucious mention the doctor's death when him and Bruce are looking at the energy machine.

 

[Superhero 101]

Another thing i had a gripe with was how Blake figured out who Bruce is? I felt that was handled poorly they should have had some scenes of him investigating or researching. then go to Bruce's house.

 

[Reek]

Another thing i had a gripe with was how Blake figured out who Bruce is? I felt that was handled poorly they should have had some scenes of him investigating or researching. then go to Bruce's house.

I thought it showed that Blake is the only person with any kind of sense in his head

 

[Octoberist]

1. I didn't like Alfred knew so much about Bane. Couldn't they shot a scene with Bruce and Alfred at the Batcomputer, investigating Bane a bit? It doesn't have to be a long scene but that kinda bothered me.

2. TDK's Gotham seems so much bigger ironically than the Gotham here. It's because we got to know some of the citizens (and mobsters), most who had defined characterizations.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I thought it showed that Blake is the only person with any kind of sense in his head

Well, they also hammered home that Gordon could figure it out if he wanted, but he doesn't even think about it because he doesn't want to know. Just like in the comics.

Which is why I thought it was lame they had [BLACKOUT]Batman do the whole "by the way I'm Bruce Wayne k bye" to Gordon at the end there[/BLACKOUT].

 

[ThePhantasm]

I really got the feeling they had a much bigger starting script that they trimmed down to fit IMAX time restrictions. Dagget's character, for example, seemed almost pointless. Certain plot points seemed rushed. This film should have been longer.

Still loved it though.