The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[spideyguy16]

Another stupid question, how did Bane get out of the hole?

 

[Liam_H]

You mean the pit that he threw Bruce into? I thought it was because Talia came back and rescued him.

 

[spideyguy16]

Thanks! I remember now.

 

[Tron5000]

I didn't like how the newspaper clipping talking about the "cat" burglar misspelled "HEIST" as "HIEST" in the headline. I hope that newspaper editor got fired.

 

[AnneFan]

I didn't like how the newspaper clipping talking about the "cat" burglar misspelled "HEIST" as "HIEST" in the headline. I hope that newspaper editor got fired.

Maybe his mind was wandering while he was trying to write?

 

[spideyguy16]

I'm kind of torn on debating whether I like the idea of selina never being referred to as Catwoman.
On the plus side, lack of selina having a popular alias shows how deep in the shadows she is.
If she had been called catwoman, then she would have been known around.
If she had the name or not, it still works.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

See -- I don't think the plan was to just destroy the city. They wanted to reshape it. But they were prepared to die and prepared to take the city out if failure seemed possible, and people didn't cooperate. They wanted to make Bruce watch as he and the "old guard" (Gordon, Mayor Garcia, the Wayne Family, etc) lost control of Gotham and it fell into Bane's control.

Sorry but I find your tone condescending in a way. Don't act like you know everything. Nobody does and we are all trying to figure it out by discussing in this forum. It's not like you are Chris Nolan (or are you?) so you know every little details without having to watch the movie again and again.

By saying "It's all in the movie blah blah" well it's a 3 hour movie and nobody can remember everything they've seen the first time. I don't have the time or the money to see it countless times so I'm gonna have to get my info online like most people.

 

[darknight7]

Sorry but I find your tone condescending in a way. Don't act like you know everything. Nobody does and we are all trying to figure it out by discussing in this forum. It's not like you are Chris Nolan (or are you?) so you know every little details without having to watch the movie again and again.

By saying "It's all in the movie blah blah" well it's a 3 hour movie and nobody can remember everything they've seen the first time. I don't have the time or the money to see it countless times so I'm gonna have to get my info online like most people.

Don't take things so personally pal, you won't survive on here if you get offended at someone's opinion. Robin91939 was clearly just piecing together his opinion of the film and I do not see in any way how that is condescending.

--dk7

 

[Superboy-Prime]

Don't take things so personally pal, you won't survive on here if you get offended at someone's opinion. Robin91939 was clearly just piecing together his opinion of the film and I do not see in any way how that is condescending.

--dk7

Hey don't take things so light hearted here or YOU wont survive!

 

[Tojo]

John Blake possibly being batman. John blake being in the film at all (Major made up character).

Turns out to be one of the most interesting, full and compelling characters in the film.

 

[MouthForWar]

Here are a couple things that I didn't quite get... maybe some of you folks can help? Cuz these are the only things that kinda got to me.

-What WAS the point of Miranda's scar? Does anybody know yet? And if it WAS a League of Shadows symbol, doesn't that make Bruce look dumb for not recognizing it?

-How did Batman know Selina wanted the "clean slate" program?

-If Bane was all about the lower society rising up and abolishing those in power to "reset" the city, why was he going to blow up the city regardless? There was so much talk of "Ra's Al Ghul's destiny, blah blah blah, fulfilling the legacy, building the new society, blah" that it just seemed like the whole thing was pointless if he was just gonna wipe out the entire city anyway.

Anybody wanna help me out with these?

 

[RedSkull]

Turns out to be one of the most interesting, full and compelling characters in the film.

yup. I agree. Loved him in it. I'm eating my own words. Now that I saw it what did I end up not liking?

Bane. Hated him. He sucks on the level of arnolds freeze. Not scary. Stupid voice. Buttcheeks mask

 

[Atakan]

How did Bruce return to Gotham after escaping the pit ?

 

[Reek]

Don't take things so personally pal, you won't survive on here if you get offended at someone's opinion. Robin91939 was clearly just piecing together his opinion of the film and I do not see in any way how that is condescending.

--dk7

ah, there is DK7, I thought you were Travesty, or another name.

 

[johnrain]

Didn't like how Bruce allowed Selina to steal his luxury car. How did she get the keys? Did she pickpocket him or take them from the valet?

Grand Theft Auto is a serious crime and he shouldn't have allowed her to steal such an expensive automobile.

 

[Reek]

how did bruce return to gotham after escaping the pit ?

...........

Magic!

 

[craigdbfan]

Bane had a plan. And it wasn't to blow up the city.

Bane's plan was to give the control of the city to those he felt deserved it. The people.

He was against the greed that the wealthy and the powerful had. It wasn't out and out corruption, as in "corrupt cops" and the "mob" which the Dent Act DID stamp out. It was corruption in the form of capitalism. Where the poor are forgotten and disenfranchised, while the wealthy pick the city clean.

Bane said exactly what the bomb was being used for. "This is the instrument of your liberation." He didn't want to detonate the bomb. He doesn't want to blow up the city. The bomb was the leverage that he was giving the poor and the disenfranchised to take the power from the wealthy. He "gave the trigger to a regular citizen" so that the regular citizens would have the power over the ruling class.

Bane didn't want to watch Gotham's people suffer. He wanted watch those who used to run Gotham suffer. People who he thought were part of a broken system. Gordon, the Mayor and even Batman were included in this. That's why blew up the luxury boxes at the football game but left the regular fans unharmed. He encouraged the regular citizens to kick the rich out of their penthouses. Those who were being "judged" by Crane were all of the ruling class -- I saw no blue collar people falling through ice.

And Bane subscribed to the belief that it was his responsibility to restore order in Gotham because it was a belief held by Talia, the woman he loved. And it was a belief held by Ra's, a man he respected but whose approval he could never earn.

Bane gave Gotham the time limit on the bomb to force their hand. If they took control of their city in the allotted time he would have placed the bomb back and ruled over this new Gotham. But Gotham did NOT "take control," instead, many tried to take back control from Bane. And because of this -- the bomb's timer continued to tick down...

Bane had a pretty clear plan, and equally clear motivation.

-R

I completely disagree with the notion that Bane wasn't trying to destroy Gotham. That was most definitely his end game. Bane's entire spiel of Gotham taking "control" of their city was a ruse to get the disenfranchised of Gotham to go up against the very wealthy and take everything they had and do essentially whatever they wanted as long as it wasn't uprising against Bane & his mercs. While they were all busy relishing in lawless Gotham the fusion reactor was going into meltdown regardless if anyone followed Bane's orders or not. It was missing the core so meltdown was an inevitability.

This was made abundantly clear.

 

[darknight7]

Ehhh, totally disagree. Sure, you answred some questions here and there, but there are a TON of plot holes and inconsistencies that nobody could answer other than the Nolan Bros themselves.

I don't find the film to be deep at all, in fact, I think it's the least "deep" Nolan movie out there, which even includes Following.

Sadly I have to agree. This film felt like a typical, rushed, copout to me. With such a heavy political/revolution undertone and a nuke...uninteresting. I wanted a Batman movie, not a movie with Batman in it. It's like the took Dark Knight Returns, sucked the awesome out of it and then put it on screen with plot holes and flaws. Sad to see the franchise go out on such a low note. Many will disagree with me (but I'm sure some will agree) either way I am not here to argue, so don't start with me because I don't have the time or energy to get into it.

--dk7

 

[Reek]

Didn't like how Bruce allowed Selina to steal his luxury car. How did she get the keys? Did she pickpocket him or take them from the valet?

Grand Theft Auto is a serious crime and he shouldn't have allowed her to steal such an expensive automobile.

she stole the valet ticket during the dance she shared with Bruce.. pretty simple.

 

[Liam_H]

Probably happened right when she kissed him which is why she did it in the first place.

 

[darknight7]

I completely disagree with the notion that Bane wasn't trying to destroy Gotham. That was most definitely his end game. Bane's entire spiel of Gotham taking "control" of their city was a ruse to get the disenfranchised of Gotham to go up against the very wealthy and take everything they had and do essentially whatever they wanted as long as it wasn't uprising against Bane & his mercs. While they were all busy relishing in lawless Gotham the fusion reactor was going into meltdown regardless if anyone followed Bane's orders or not. It was missing the core so meltdown was an inevitability.

This was made abundantly clear.

Bane also gave Bruce that speech about despair in the pit.

Explaining how he would give the city false hope...yadda yadda...

His plan was to destroy Gotham the whole time - the point of him toying with the city was to give Bruce that severe punishment he was talking about.

--dk7

 

[craigdbfan]

Bane also gave Bruce that speech about despair in the pit.

Explaining how he would give the city false hope...yadda yadda...

His plan was to destroy Gotham the whole time - the point of him toying with the city was to give Bruce that severe punishment he was talking about.

--dk7

Exactly.

 

[darknight7]

My main issue with this film is that the character in TDKR did not reflect the character I grew up watching and enjoy reading.

Not to mention this movie ignored and contradicted so many things that they touched upon in the previous films. This is why it was difficult to enjoy. It was not a terrible film, but it was not the best of the three and definitely not the best Batman film.

Most of my gripes with the film are personal and I can't use personal in a debate or it comes across as nitpickery. So instead I would like to bring up just a few things that did not sit well with me in terms of characterization (but also!) in terms of not matching up with the previous films (which I felt were better representations of our heroes/villains of Gotham).

Here are just some quotes that I think this movie kind of stepped all over:

"The world is too small for a man like Bruce Wayne to disappear"/ yet this doesn't apply in TDKR because of this magic ID eraser

"What's the difference between me and you?" - "I'm not wearing hockey pads"/ but now apparently "ANYONE" can be Batman...it's JUST a symbol

"We'll hunt him, because he can take it."/ until he becomes a recluse for 8 years, guess he CAN'T take it

"Endure, Master Wayne...take it."/ Alfred had his back in 2005 and 2008, but not so much in 2012 (also...apparently he can't take it - again)

"We're destined to do this, forever..."/ apparently that means TDKR won't even MENTION Joker

As an avid Batman fan for over 20 years, I must say I was let down by this finale. I wish I wasn't and I'm not trying to take it away from people who loved it. I envy those who loved it, I am happy for you. Wish I felt the same way but I don't. It was a major disappointment for me. It felt rushed, and cheap. They went back on too much and it felt like they lost the essence of Batman in this film. The Batman I know does not give up. Maybe Nolan's does? But still, he should have came out of retirement to rise or he should have never retired in the first place until the end. Should have been one way or the other, not a flip flop back and forth.

Would also like to add one more thing: Bruce Wayne is waging a war against crime as Batman. He should know there will be casualties (it's why he wears the mask, to protect his loved ones) Even Alfred gets it when he tells him in TDKR that he is to expect loss. But for Bruce to retire, over a woman? (a made up character for the franchise) and then argue with Alfred to the point where he makes him leave (over a woman?) No...no...no...he would fight even harder, he should have been angrier, he should have been out there watching over his city.

Even the Mayor says himself that the Dent Act has stopped organized crime, not ALL crime. Batman is all about protecting the little guy. Whether it's a mugger or the Joker...WHY? Because his parents' lives were taken by a street thug, a mugger. And he is to be out there preventing that tragedy from happening to anyone else.

This trilogy lacked something very important, the solemn vow or a simple visit to the parents grave. I was hoping we'd get that in this film - and we didn't. That's the whole reason for Bruce becoming Batman. His parents death.

--dk7

 

[SingItWithMeNow]

My main issue with this film is that the character in TDKR did not reflect the character I grew up watching and enjoy reading.

Not to mention this movie ignored and contradicted so many things that they touched upon in the previous films. This is why it was difficult to enjoy. It was not a terrible film, but it was not the best of the three and definitely not the best Batman film.

Most of my gripes with the film are personal and I can't use personal in a debate or it comes across as nitpickery. So instead I would like to bring up just a few things that did not sit well with me in terms of characterization (but also!) in terms of not matching up with the previous films (which I felt were better representations of our heroes/villains of Gotham).

Here are just some quotes that I think this movie kind of stepped all over:

"The world is too small for a man like Bruce Wayne to disappear"/ yet this doesn't apply in TDKR because of this magic ID eraser

"What's the difference between me and you?" - "I'm not wearing hockey pads"/ but now apparently "ANYONE" can be Batman...it's JUST a symbol

"We'll hunt him, because he can take it."/ until he becomes a recluse for 8 years, guess he CAN'T take it

"Endure, Master Wayne...take it."/ Alfred had his back in 2005 and 2008, but not so much in 2012 (also...apparently he can't take it - again)

"We're destined to do this, forever..."/ apparently that means TDKR won't even MENTION Joker

As an avid Batman fan for over 20 years, I must say I was let down by this finale. I wish I wasn't and I'm not trying to take it away from people who loved it. I envy those who loved it, I am happy for you. Wish I felt the same way but I don't. It was a major disappointment for me. It felt rushed, and cheap. They went back on too much and it felt like they lost the essence of Batman in this film. The Batman I know does not give up. Maybe Nolan's does? But still, he should have came out of retirement to rise or he should have never retired in the first place until the end. Should have been one way or the other, not a flip flop back and forth.

Would also like to add one more thing: Bruce Wayne is waging a war against crime as Batman. He should know there will be casualties (it's why he wears the mask, to protect his loved ones) Even Alfred gets it when he tells him in TDKR that he is to expect loss. But for Bruce to retire, over a woman? (a made up character for the franchise) and then argue with Alfred to the point where he makes him leave (over a woman?) No...no...no...he would fight even harder, he should have been angrier, he should have been out there watching over his city.

Even the Mayor says himself that the Dent Act has stopped organized crime, not ALL crime. Batman is all about protecting the little guy. Whether it's a mugger or the Joker...WHY? Because his parents' lives were taken by a street thug, a mugger. And he is to be out there preventing that tragedy from happening to anyone else.

--dk7

I agree with most of this stuff. Re: alfred... He really supported him as batman in 1 and 2... Batman saved the city from ras and stopped the joker... Why is he soooo upset?

I think a major problem with batman is at the start of the film, hes not the master of his domain, hes already a broken man... So when bane breaks his back, its only breaking him slightly further... Batman is an obstacle for bane... Not the other way around as it should be.

I think they really should have followed knightfall closer... And get rid of the whole no mans land thing, it didnt help at all, we saw what the gotham citizens were capable of with the fake batmans and the ferry passangers... TDKR takes them backwards... Where are the vigilantes now? No one tries to take down bane personally?

 

[arkham.insayn]

How did Bruce return to Gotham after escaping the pit ?

He called his mate the flash.