The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[Golgo-13]

- plot holes, like Bruce being penniless, escaping from a prison across the world, then just popping back up in Gotham with no explanation

Don't understand why ppl keep asking this. He travelled the world for seven years without any money, and learned how to survive whether it be from hustling, stealing, or living off the land..and this was before he was trained by the League of Shadows. He's now a full fledged trained ninja thanks to the LOS training. Now the Bruce in 'Rises' not only has all the experience i just mentioned, he has also been Batman. Add all that up, and it's not hard to fathom that he could journey back and sneak into Gotham, undetected.

 

[Reek]

Don't understand why ppl keep asking this. He travelled the world for seven years without any money, and learned how to survive whether it be from hustling, stealing, or living off the land..and this was before he was trained by the League of Shadows. He's now a full fledged trained ninja thanks to the LOS training. Now the Bruce in 'Rises' not only has all the experience i just mentioned, he has also been Batman. Add all that up, and it's not hard to fathom that he could journey back and sneak into Gotham, undetected.

I think the problem people have is it just jumped from the prison to gotham, and bruce is in normal clothes etc... a little transition scene would have helped.

 

[TomPiltoff]

My biggest gripes are the tone and the pace. I feel for what Nolan established previously, this film felt wildly out of place. It almost felt like he should've just made Ras immortal, Joker permawhite and so on, if he was going to ramp things up to such a degree in the final installment. I liked the Arkham City type narrative, but it just felt so much more..."comic-y." That being said, it also allowed for some better action, so it's a catch-22 for me.

The worst culprit however is the pace of the movie. Too much, too quick without any room for scenes to breath. I feel like there's a much longer cut to this film somewhere, and I believe it would improve it immensely.

I agree completely. I'd be very interested to see a 4 hour cut - is there anything in Nolan's past that indicates this might actually happen?

 

[Liam_H]

Not really since he doesn't even like to include deleted scenes as extras.

 

[Dwarf Slayer]

My only guess is that it was an indication for the audience that she was more than she seemed.

At that point she was just an attractive, eco-friendly board member. Seeing her with a scar suggested that there was more to her than that.

It was a bit odd that nothing specific came out of it, though.

Are you guys confused about the meaning of the scar?

If so, its a branding to indicate that she is a member of the The League of Shadows.

The same one Bruce was about to get before he blew up the temple in Batman Begins.

 

[Golgo-13]

Are you guys confused about the meaning of the scar?

If so, its a branding to indicate that she is a member of the The League of Shadows.

The same one Bruce was about to get before he blew up the temple in Batman Begins.

Nice catch! I need to watch BB again then. But......if that's the case, then that was a dead give away to both the audience and Bruce, and would have made her revelation at the end pretty uneventful, to everyone.....i need to go and look.

 

[darknight7]

EW.com posted a few questions about the film and after reading it, it kinda made me wonder and bugged me.

1) How does Bruce get from a remote location that looks to be in maybe India? to Gotham, without any money, communication, or his Bat tech to help him and how does he get there so quickly and into Gotham without being noticed.

2) Blake can figure out Batman by seeing him smile once upon a time when he was a child?

3) With only seconds counting down while still in "The Bat", how does he manage to escape from the Nuclear bomb and its five mile radias without being harmed?

4) How did Bane get a big screen TV into the prison and get cable for it?

I agree with everything (the TV thing I'm not so worried about Osama Bin Laden had TV, cameras, cell phones...whatever. But your points 1-3 are all pretty legit concerns.

PS: Welcome to the hype.

1) It's a movie.
2) See above.
3) Again, the movie thing.
4) Yes, it is just a movie.

I think there were far bigger contrivances than the ones you mentioned. Far more pressing irregularities to do with story and characterization and so on. I don't understand what people expect. Does everything need to be explained/justified? Movies can only do so much, and most are filled with slight contrivances. Even Shakespeare is.

Wait, you must be trolling....

The answer: It's a movie, is such a cheap, unintelligent copout. People are in denial with this film. There are so many issues with it but everyone is blinded by the hype, and obsession with Nolan's trilogy.

TDK wasn't perfect either don't get me wrong, there are questions about that as well. But it just seems to me with BB and TDK they went out of there way to explain details and make everything make sense. But this movie feels like they took 2 movies and cut them into 1 so we missed out on stuff because 2h 45m wasn't enough time to fit in all that Nolan wanted to.

Once again, "it's a movie" is a terrible answer. We as an audience are allowed to demand intelligent writing from hollywood.

ALSO: This thread is about what we do NOT LIKE, if you have a problem with Bomber's posts keep it to yourself. Don't dare call him a troll because it only makes you look like one.

--dk7

 

[osnwa]

Overall, I enjoyed the movie. IMO BB is still the best of the three, but that is my opinion.
A couple things bothered me while watching this..

1. Why did Bane sound like Sean Connery ?

2. How did Bruce make it back to Gotham - that prison appeared to be in the middle east, yet he somehow made it to an airport and flew to Gotham all within a few hours ?

3. The prison didn't seem that violent. Seemed like everyone was just hanging out waiting for the next prisoner to try and escape.

4. Its been covered countless times already, but I definitely didnt like the whole "I saw the look on your face" nonsense. Bruce didn't even try to deny being Batman - he just sorta accepted it.

5. The Wall Street siege. Starts during the day, only lasts around 10 minutes tops, and suddenly it's night. I seem to remember that being one of the big complaints about a certain X-Men movie just a few years ago - not comparing the two movies. However, if the same flaw appears in both movies...they should receive the same criticism for it.

and finally.....

6. The ending. Say it's stupid....but I would have been happier and felt that I saw the entire Bruce/Batman journey if Batman had died at the end. That ending was something that a comic book writer would have come up with to explain a character reappearing years after being killed off. It was crap IMO.

 

[Golgo-13]

2. How did Bruce make it back to Gotham - that prison appeared to be in the middle east, yet he somehow made it to an airport and flew to Gotham all within a few hours ?

Yet again: Don't understand why ppl keep asking this. He travelled the world for seven years without any money, and learned how to survive whether it be from hustling, stealing, or living off the land..and this was before he was trained by the League of Shadows. He's now a full fledged trained ninja thanks to the LOS training. Now the Bruce in 'Rises' not only has all the experience i just mentioned, he has also been Batman. Add all that up, and it's not hard to fathom that he could journey back and sneak into Gotham, undetected.

And it wasn't a few hours. The movie doesn't need to spell everything out for us. When Bane had the Doctor tamper with the bomb he said it would go off in 5 months. So from the time of the stadium attack to the events in the final showdown, was 5 months. Bruce had been in that prison i believe about 3 maybe 4 months, he arrived back in Gotham a day or two before the bomb was going to explode, so that means he took several weeks to get back to Gotham by way of the skills he had learned before. I know the movie doesn't communicate the time transition well, but the film makers don't want to spoon feed us every little bit of info. The fun part about a movie like this is that you sometimes have to figure things out yourself...

3. The prison didn't seem that violent. Seemed like everyone was just hanging out waiting for the next prisoner to try and escape.

In the flashback, when Ra's returns with young Talia and the League of Shadows to get Bane, the prison looks empty. We can assume that Ra's and The League killed all the inmates for what they did to his wife. The man that was taking care of Bruce said "This is Bane's prison now." So the inmates that were there when Bruce was there were probably ppl who had crossed Bane at some point or another, and weren't actually criminals...

 

[The Guard]

More Blackgate prisoners hunting down the few members of the GPD not trapped underground would've been a nice addition. Witch hunts that leave the Gothamites paralyzed in fear.

I think there were. Blake and Gordon both talked about not being seen on the street. They were pretty clearly being hunted. And Blake ends up getting caught before Batman rescues him.

The answer: It's a movie, is such a cheap, unintelligent copout. People are in denial with this film. There are so many issues with it but everyone is blinded by the hype, and obsession with Nolan's trilogy.

Exactly, though. It's a movie, and that's apparently all it was to Nolan and company. One they didn't bother to see flaws in and fix.

As far as Bruce getting back to Gotham...no, its not needed, but when a plot point like penniless Bruce Wayne halfway around the world...without Alfred, and needing to get back to Gotham, which is on full lockdown...showing Bruce making it back to Gotham or making it in would only have made him look more badass and capable.

 

[osnwa]

Yet again: Don't understand why ppl keep asking this. He travelled the world for seven years without any money, and learned how to survive whether it be from hustling, stealing, or living off the land..and this was before he was trained by the League of Shadows. He's now a full fledged trained ninja thanks to the LOS training. Now the Bruce in 'Rises' not only has all the experience i just mentioned, he has also been Batman. Add all that up, and it's not hard to fathom that he could journey back and sneak into Gotham, undetected.

And it wasn't a few hours. The movie doesn't need to spell everything out for us. When Bane had the Doctor tamper with the bomb he said it would go off in 5 months. So from the time of the stadium attack to the events in the final showdown, was 5 months. Bruce had been in that prison i believe about 3 maybe 4 months, he arrived back in Gotham a day or two before the bomb was going to explode, so that means he took several weeks to get back to Gotham by way of the skills he had learned before. I know the movie doesn't communicate the time transition well, but the film makers don't want to spoon feed us every little bit of info. The fun part about a movie like this is that you sometimes have to figure things out yourself...



In the flashback, when Ra's returns with young Talia and the League of Shadows to get Bane, the prison looks empty. We can assume that Ra's and The League killed all the inmates for what they did to his wife. The man that was taking care of Bruce said "This is Bane's prison now." So the inmates that were there when Bruce was there were probably ppl who had crossed Bane at some point or another, and weren't actually criminals...

What do you mean they don't want to spoon feed us info ? They had no problems throwing flashbacks at us every time they brought up something they thought we may have forgotten. Would it have been hard to have one of the reporters remark that it's been X number of months since Batman has been seen ? That way when he escaped, we would have had some type of timeline as to how long it took him to return....and as for his escape.......

Should I also assume that his training in the LOS enabled him to go from someone who has no cartilage in his knees and needed a brace to walk without a cane, to someone who suddenly walked fine after climbing out of the prison ??


Look - as a comic book fan, and a huge fan of comic book movies.....I liked this movie....but it had some pretty glaring holes in it. No one in this thread is bashing the movie. We are simply pointing out things that stood out to us as mistakes.

 

[UaalaDan]

- Bruce's injuries completely disregarded the minute he stepped out of the pit

-How did he get back to Gotham in the exact moment before the bomb exploded?

-Foley sucked and was absolutely useless

-The prison escape. If they had a rope, they could've used it to reach the other step.

-Bane's and Talia's death were the easily 2 of the worst deaths in a comic book movie EVER!

-Robin John Blake

-No chemistry between Bruce and Talia or Selina

-Final battle sucked

-The shot of Bane braking Batman's back sucked. It looked really fake.

-No scene with Bruce at his parents grave

-Bruce's ending with Selina.

-Prison location was never explained

-Wall St siege turned into night miraculously after 10 seconds.

-Bane happening to find Gordon's speech was waaaaaaay too convenient.

Those are the ones I can remember

BTW, this thread is effin HILARIOUS. I've never laughed so hard reading a forum like I am when reading the previous pages right now.

 

[Golgo-13]

What do you mean they don't want to spoon feed us info ? They had no problems throwing flashbacks at us every time they brought up something they thought we may have forgotten. Would it have been hard to have one of the reporters remark that it's been X number of months since Batman has been seen ? That way when he escaped, we would have had some type of timeline as to how long it took him to return....and as for his escape.......

Should I also assume that his training in the LOS enabled him to go from someone who has no cartilage in his knees and needed a brace to walk without a cane, to someone who suddenly walked fine after climbing out of the prison ??


Look - as a comic book fan, and a huge fan of comic book movies.....I liked this movie....but it had some pretty glaring holes in it. No one in this thread is bashing the movie. We are simply pointing out things that stood out to us as mistakes.

I agreed that the way they showed the lapse in time was poorly done but we already got the info that the bomb was going to go off in five months, then the convo with Blake and the agents when Blake mentioned how many months the cops had been trapped down there, etc...

I never liked the knee thing to begin with either. Especially seeing as how he couldn't have had on the knee brace in the prison. I think it's an even bigger plot hole that he got the same Bat suit back. After Bane broke his back, they stripped him of his suit. How did it get it back? I thought this was a missed opportunity to bring back the Batman Begins suit. It could have been the only one he had access to, and would have mirrored the end of BB when he's chaising Ra's and the bomb on the train, like he was chasing Talia with the truck bomb in this.

Speaking of spoonfed, after Batman saves Blake his whole convo about wearing a mask really felt forced. They already had a scene together where they talk about the need for a mask, and now another? We get it already, he's the next Batman, Robin, Dark Wing Duck, whatever!

 

[maverick1127]

Are you guys confused about the meaning of the scar?

If so, its a branding to indicate that she is a member of the The League of Shadows.

The same one Bruce was about to get before he blew up the temple in Batman Begins.

I thought this to be true as well.

UNTIL....

My second viewing. It doesn't appear to be a branding scar. It is a scar nonetheless, but not from a brand.

My new theory that fits goes such as this.

Talia's mother was pregnant with child upon arrival into the pit. There really are not any skilled doctors or medical equipment around. So of course a c-section was performed upon her mother. Obviously cutting too deep and scaring the child upon birth.

Just a thought...

 

[Golgo-13]

I thought this to be true as well.

UNTIL....

My second viewing. It doesn't appear to be a branding scar. It is a scar nonetheless, but not from a brand.

My new theory that fits goes such as this.

Talia's mother was pregnant with child upon arrival into the pit. There really are not any skilled doctors or medical equipment around. So of course a c-section was performed upon her mother. Obviously cutting too deep and scaring the child upon birth.

Just a thought...

That theory is pretty out there. Why would she need a c-section anyway, she seemed healthy enough to deliver it naturally.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I'm still a little fuzzy as to why he faked his death, couldn't he just have broken up his assets and moved to France. You really think what he did was better. Hey Alfred! Bet you almost had a heart attack when you'd thought I'd died. Bet you wanted to kill yourself from crippling depression! Well surprise! I'm still alive! You're not mad? Right?

 

[maverick1127]

That theory is pretty out there. Why would she need a c-section anyway, she seemed healthy enough to deliver it naturally.

Who knows complications.

Sure she appears healthy when she arrives. But as pregnancy goes on into the later months, lots and lots of nourishment would be needed. Her health of being imprisoned and pregnant could have had an extreme effect on her. She arrives in prison just barely starting her pregnancy.

Again complications due to pack of medical attention, emergency c-section not to far fetched. In the real world that is.

 

[jacobed]

I believe they say right before Bruce escapes that there are 23 days left. So it took Bruce 20 something days to get back but its fine to overlook that since you guys need something to complain about

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I believe they say right before Bruce escapes that there are 23 days left. So it took Bruce 20 something days to get back but its fine to overlook that since you guys need something to complain about

The scene is jarring though. They needed a sequence of him travelling or something. Threw the pacing of the story off.

It's like in X-Men: Origins Wolverine how Gambit gets on the roof, just suddenly. Sure that could have been five minutes later, but the way the film gets cut it's like "isn't he on the ground".

This suffers the exact same problem.

 

[UaalaDan]

I'm still a little fuzzy as to why he faked his death, couldn't he just have broken up his assets and moved to France. You really think what he did was better. Hey Alfred! Bet you almost had a heart attack when you'd thought I'd died. Bet you wanted to kill yourself from crippling depression! Well surprise! I'm still alive! You're not mad? Right?

Finally somebody gets that this is a plot-hole!

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Finally somebody gets that this is a plot-hole!

In the movie he said "I can't bear to bury another Wayne", then he makes him do it. What a *****e. I would've walked over to that damn table, kissed Hathaway and spilled water all over his pr**k a** and left.

They could've showed that Alfred was pretending to think he was dead. Like he waits until they all leave and then activates a communicator.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Bane realizes, of course, that if someone sees him stealing sh** on camera at the stock market, announcing what he is doing, that someone at the SEC can't hit a button and just reverse it all.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Why was there an "everyone is free" rope at the top of a prison, seems like a design flaw. Lol. Just read that article. Great observation.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I also just realized: Bruce Wayne/Batman left Gotham, but all those Blackgate prisoners Bane released are still on the loose.

 

[kit1982]

It's probably been brought up, but I didn't like how screwed over Gordon was in the end. Yeh the guy who backed Batman from the start.. left to deal with the consequences of the whole truth about Dent coming out, on his own (I mean are meant to believe everyone was fine with him after he blatantly lied and covered up an investigation?). Whilst Batman ****s off to Italy with a clean slate and a woman in tow!! Or did I miss something?