The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[Golgo-13]

I believe they say right before Bruce escapes that there are 23 days left. So it took Bruce 20 something days to get back but its fine to overlook that since you guys need something to complain about

Thanks you.

Some people want everything spoon fed to them, like a shot of Bruce running through the desert screaming "23 days let, 22 days left, 21 days left..."

I also just realized: Bruce Wayne/Batman left Gotham, but all those Blackgate prisoners Bane released are still on the loose.

Man, ppl see what they want to see. There was a shot of all the prisoners on their knees, hands ontop of their heads duing the final scenes.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Thanks you.

Some people want everything spoon fed to them, like a shot of Bruce running through the desert screaming "23 days let, 22 days left, 21 days left..."

Actually I thought that would've been a good place maybe to reintroduce the pilots from the second film. That could've been a fun scene. See Bruce reunite with old associates, show he keeps his contacts.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Man, ppl see what they want to see. There was a shot of all the prisoners on their knees, hands ontop of their heads duing the final scenes.

That's great, he still left the city in shambles for everyone else to clean up. It's not my biggest problem since it's the end of the movie, suppose you have to wrap it up, but it seems like a loose end. That city is starting at peg one, and it doesn't seem like a wonderful place to start. Although the Bane occupation never really sold me, or at least showed the citizens weren't losing their sh** too much for too long, even though they were for a minute there.

It's really only a loose end because he faked his death, which is what they kind of wrote themselves into doing...yet...again, seems like one of those d*** moves again.

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

If I were the director or if I were advising Nolan.

1. Bane has to use the juice. I know his film are in the realm of reality and I love that about Nolan. No campy BS, but Bane could have been better and more frightening if he used the juice to become a tad bit larger. Not hulk size but they could have digitized his size a bit more or gotten a double bigger than Hardy.

2. For some reason I didn't feel like Bruce was being "psychologically" tortured in prison when Bane left the prison. He didn't seem to watch the television as Bane was taking over. I also felt his escape from the prison was too easy.

3. Nolan didn't leave the door open for this film merge with a Justice League film.


I'm sorry but Christian Bale IS Batman like Chris Reeve WAS Superman. To start a JLA film within 3 years without Christian Bale is just STUPID.

 

[Golgo-13]

I can't stop thinking about the fact that Mr.E (the accountant who was doing the books for Wayne Enterprise in TDK and discovered Wayne was Batman) never was addressed in TDKR. I know Bruce saved his life in TDK, but once Batman was accused of not only killing Harvey Dent, but being a cop killer too wouldn't he then come forward.....?

 

[ShadowBoxer]

A few minor nit picks that I have (I mention them before but here goes).

The pit is in middle east somewhere but they never show how Bruce got back to Gotham.

For a movie that is about Gotham being destroyed we don't see a whole lot of the people Batman is there to protect.

The ending bit where the guy tells Lucuis that Bruce Wayne fixed the autopilot on the Bat? I thought the Bat got destroyed in the blast? We only saw ONE Bat vehicle in the entire movie and it was used by Batman. I suppose there where more made (like the Tumbler) but it was still a WTF moment for me.

Like a said before, the final fight with Bat's and Bane was underwhelming for me and not as good as the sewer fight (imo). But it was still decent.

I was hoping that the fight between Bane's thugs and Gotham's Police would have been shown more and had more of an impact/ epicness but it didn't.

Minor nitpick, wish Crane had his scarecrow mask during the court trials.

Wish there was some kind of reference to Joker to give some sort of closure on the character.

Blake had a little bit to much screen time for me. I wish Selina had more development to go along with his.

Alfred being gone for a good chunk of the movie.

Useless characters that didn't add much to the overall story, the police officer Foley and Daggett are the two in particular. Daggett's plot point to take over Wayne enterprises and bankrupt Bruce was really unnecessary and should have been left on the cutting room floor.

 

[Robin91939]

Useless characters that didn't add much to the overall story, the police officer Foley and Daggett are the two in particular. Daggett's plot point to take over Wayne enterprises and bankrupt Bruce was really unnecessary and should have been left on the cutting room floor.

The Daggett character was kind of crucial to the story.

You are needed to believe that he is the one trying to bankrupt Bruce Wayne so that Bruce will turn control of Wayne Enterprises over to him -- You need to believe this so that you don't see that Bane's true intentions are to bankrupt Wayne Enterprises (all the while Tate gets close to Bruce) so that Bruce turns control over to Tate/Talia.

Bane had to make it seem like he was working with Daggett for two reasons:
1.) To trick the audience and take suspicion away from Tate/Talia
2.) To utilize his resources and construction companies, etc in preparing his assault on Gotham.

-R

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I didn't mind Daggett really. Kind of a one-off then dead character who was mildly annoying enough to get some pleasure out of seeing Bane off him.

 

[The Joker]

-Bane's and Talia's death were the easily 2 of the worst deaths in a comic book movie EVER!

Agreed on that one.

-No chemistry between Bruce and Talia or Selina

Strongly disagree about Selina. I think he had great chemistry with her as both Bruce and as Batman. Their scenes were a highlight.

I agree about Tate/Talia. She was as dull as ditch water and some of her acting rivals Katie Holmes' in the worst acting department.

-The shot of Bane braking Batman's back sucked. It looked really fake.

No way! That shot was awesome. Pure Knightfall.

 

[Nevincer]

It's interesting when you think how both Talia & Bane had more embarassing exits in this movie than Crane in Begins. They certainly topped that...

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

It's interesting when you think how both Talia & Bane had more embarassing exits in this movie than Crane in Begins. They certainly topped that...

Crane was probably one of the best parts of TDKR.

 

[PatrioticCowboy]

I really enjoyed the film, imo it's the best in the trilogy. But there was one major thing that bothered me


Catwoman not being punished somehow for leading Batman into that near death trap. I don't care if she felt bad after, she did something wrong to a good man and she deserved some type of punishment for it. Then to top it off she ends the movie with him. It did however show how big of a man Bruce Wayne is.

 

[JAK®]

Some people want everything spoon fed to them, like a shot of Bruce running through the desert screaming "23 days let, 22 days left, 21 days left..."

The trouble is that if it was shown exactly how Bruce got back to Gotham it would have looked like that. It's not so much that people can't deal with the idea that not everything is shown but instead that there seems to be no conceivable way for him to do it and t's glossed over because of that.

People bring up BB as an example of Bruce being able to travel the world but he had money then. In fact he is shown coming back on a private plane. Bruce does not have a private plane this time.

 

[usmcrice0311]

I never liked the knee thing to begin with either. Especially seeing as how he couldn't have had on the knee brace in the prison.

The knee brace is permanently attached, the scene where he puts it on shows him in immense pain and you hear it mechanically attaching. Nothing that could be taken off would allow him to kick through a brick wall.

I think it's an even bigger plot hole that he got the same Bat suit back. After Bane broke his back, they stripped him of his suit. How did it get it back? I thought this was a missed opportunity to bring back the Batman Begins suit. It could have been the only one he had access to, and would have mirrored the end of BB when he's chaising Ra's and the bomb on the train, like he was chasing Talia with the truck bomb in this.

Bruce had like 5+ suits at his disposal. In TDK when Lucius first shows Bruce the new suit there are like 5 sets of gauntlets. Bruce clearly kept one suit in the make shift bat cave from TDK and he goes back to it when he tells Lucius to "get him back in the game."

 

[The Guard]

That's great, he still left the city in shambles for everyone else to clean up.

Technically that was Bane and The League of Shadows...

1. Bane has to use the juice. I know his film are in the realm of reality and I love that about Nolan. No campy BS, but Bane could have been better and more frightening if he used the juice to become a tad bit larger. Not hulk size but they could have digitized his size a bit more or gotten a double bigger than Hardy.

I don't know about outright Venom, which could have worked as well as anything, a drug that makes him go a little berserk, and I do think Bane would have been a bit more compelling with the addiction theme.

I didn't mind Daggett really. Kind of a one-off then dead character who was mildly annoying enough to get some pleasure out of seeing Bane off him.

The only issue I have with Dagget is that he was stupidly named John Dagget instead of Roland Dagget, and that he ate up some screentime. He was a decent inclusion otherwise, and the actor was solid in a silly role.

I agree about Tate/Talia. She was as dull as ditch water and some of her acting rivals Katie Holmes' in the worst acting department.

Eh...no. Nothing Cotillard did comes close to Katie Holmes' "Can't possibly be having a real phone conversation" moment.

Catwoman not being punished somehow for leading Batman into that near death trap. I don't care if she felt bad after, she did something wrong to a good man and she deserved some type of punishment for it. Then to top it off she ends the movie with him. It did however show how big of a man Bruce Wayne is.

I thought it was rather unrealistic that he never questioned her after this. There was like, no conflict whatsoever to their relationship, other than her pretending she was going to leave Gotham to save herself.

Re: Bruce returning to Gotham. I don't need to see every step along the way. Heck, we don't need to see it at all. But its such a momentous accomplishment, something would have been nice.

Maybe Selina says "You have friends outside Gotham?".

And then he could say "I don't have the luxury of friends, but I know where a few bodies are buried". and everyone would pee themselves because it was so clever and full circle.

I'm still a little fuzzy as to why he faked his death

Who the hell knows.

Probably because this is what happened in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, where, there was a reason for it, because he was a hunted man. Not so much here. It was probably just because the Nolans like to force melodrama into things.

 

[Bomber]

One thing else that ****in' bugs me.

They play up his bum knee and he can't walk. He gets his bat-brace to fix it.

Gets his ass beat by Bane, thrown down a well with a bad back/spine...but yet his knee is all good know even without his brace?

 

[JAK®]

One thing else that ****in' bugs me.

They play up his bum knee and he can't walk. He gets his bat-brace to fix it.

Gets his ass beat by Bane, thrown down a well with a bad back/spine...but yet his knee is all good know even without his brace?

Why would you assume he no longer has his brace?

 

[Bomber]

Since i'm guessing if Bane isn't nice enough to let him have his Batsuit, wont let him have this technologically advance knee brace that allows him to kick walls and probably help him jump.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Since this thread is just about the cons, here are my dislikes:

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batman using wheelchair, cane, and cybernetic enhancement in the film because of paraplegic recovery?
x

alfred incredible (imo oscar worthy) acting but not in the film very long? even if he left gotham?
x

i know what's good with the following previous supervillains of this now, concluding trilogy: scarecrowe, ra's al ghul, and harvey dent,

...but what's good with falcone, maroni, zaz, coleman reese (knows who batman is), hong kong (after lao's death), anna ramirez (knows that harvey dent = 2face), tom lister jr (disgusted by joker, big guy, disgusted/intimidated/RELEASED by bane?) and most importantly, joker?
x

c. gordon's son and daughter (who i guess is named after the wife) have nothing at all to say about what almost happened to the youngest in the family 8 years ago?
x

catwoman never calls herself catwoman even though she's a woman dressed up in leather, catwalking like it's in her super sassy physiology
x

ANOTHER plotline centered around a super weapon that must be stopped in its track otherwise (this, to me is what hurt batman begins the most, and one of the reasons why the dark knight was so much better) ?
a great big
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i've got twice as many pros though!

 

[Bomber]

I still can't get over the idea that Robin figures out who Batman is because of a five minute meeting and seeing him smile once. That bugs me too. I like the character that JGL plays, but that type of explanation makes no sense.

Especially after Gordon and catwoman can't even piece it together.

 

[Quasar]

Reading through this thread, I really started thinking about the whole fake death thing. Did Batman come up with the faking his death idea while flying the bomb out to sea? "Boy, this is a real swell opportunity to fake my death, if I wanted to!" Then, because these opportunities don't come around every day, he decides to fake Bruce Wayne's death as well? Because, what, Bruce was in the plane with him? Doesn't he have to come up with some other scenario about how Bruce Wayne died? Or did he just say wtf and bug the hell out, just not giving a s**t, and leaving Alfred to bawl his eyes out at his funeral?

I think a better ending would be if Alfred went to the cafe and saw what appeared to be Bruce, but when he turned and Alfred saw his face, it was someone else. Alfred leaves dejected, and then the camera finds the real Bruce Wayne sitting in a corner of the cafe watching Alfred walk away, broken, and a smile plays across Bruce's lips.

 

[Travesty]

I still can't get over the idea that Robin figures out who Batman is because of a five minute meeting and seeing him smile once. That bugs me too. I like the character that JGL plays, but that type of explanation makes no sense.

Especially after Gordon and catwoman can't even piece it together.

But they weren't orphans, yo. They don't feel the pain in their bones like they do. They see faces and stuff, brahhh.

 

[Reek]

But they weren't orphans, yo. They don't feel the pain in their bones like they do. They see faces and stuff, brahhh.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Reading through this thread, I really started thinking about the whole fake death thing. Did Batman come up with the faking his death idea while flying the bomb out to sea? "Boy, this is a real swell opportunity to fake my death, if I wanted to!" Then, because these opportunities don't come around every day, he decides to fake Bruce Wayne's death as well? Because, what, Bruce was in the plane with him? Doesn't he have to come up with some other scenario about how Bruce Wayne died? Or did he just say wtf and bug the hell out, just not giving a s**t, and leaving Alfred to bawl his eyes out at his funeral?

I think a better ending would be if Alfred went to the cafe and saw what appeared to be Bruce, but when he turned and Alfred saw his face, it was someone else. Alfred leaves dejected, and then the camera finds the real Bruce Wayne sitting in a corner of the cafe watching Alfred walk away, broken, and a smile plays across Bruce's lips.

I felt ambiguity would've been the way to go. I would've liked Alfred to look across see someone, and then they get up to walk away and Alfred just smiles. Then it pans to show Selina and Bruce walking away but you never truly know whether Alfred actually knew it was them.

I didn't like what they did because it made it seem like Shawshank Redemption where it's premeditated, which actually isn't what I think they meant. Just the way it's shot it's almost like "come join us Alfred" and I think that was unintentional.

I also would've preferred Alfred get a "clue" beforehand like Gordon and Fox, that way when he settles for the ambiguity we all believe Batman probably survived.

 

[Golgo-13]

I still can't get over the idea that Robin figures out who Batman is because of a five minute meeting and seeing him smile once. That bugs me too. I like the character that JGL plays, but that type of explanation makes no sense.

Especially after Gordon and catwoman can't even piece it together.

Yeah, this was the biggest WTF in the whole movie. LOVED the film btw, but that scene had me .

I watched BB, and TDK and they're all ull of plot holes, continuity and time lapse issues.

People constantly complaining about Bruces Journey back to the pit, seem to forget that his training with the LOS looked like it only went on for a few days/ weeks when it was probably years. It's just the way it's edited. Like someone else mentioned they say there's 20 something days left until the bomb goes off, and Bruce gets there a day or two before it goes off so that means it took him almost 3 weeks to get back to Gotham.

People seem bothered by the continuity lapse in TDKR but remember the prologue in TDK? It goes from Joker robbing the bank to night time, with Gordon at the bat signal to Batman taking down Scarecrow in the garage, then back to the bank in the day time with Batman talking to Gordon about the Joker robbery...now that's a real continuity blunder if i ever saw one!

I would like to know why Mr.Reese never came forward bout Batman once he heard he killed Dent and those cops, what happened to Ramirez, and at least a mention o the most notorious criminal in Gotham's history..The Joker.