What is it you people really want?

[Space Moose]

in short, he should assassinate the Spice Girls.

Yeah, why not...

 

[comicfan4Life]

I don't mind the sliding all that much, but I think stunts like the chandelier don't fit the Punisher's style. IMO they're trying too hard to make it look cool and stylish. I want some old school action. This is the Punisher, a hardened vietnam veteran, he doesn't do fancy. Stunts like that I can see Deadpool do.

I agree on the Deadpool thing but Castle improvises alot. To him there's no such thing as too fancy or too brutal. Either way the results are gonna be the same: mother****ers end up dead. If Frank has to slide across the ground fine. If he has to dive around John Woo style fine. I agree on the chandelier thing, but seriously, it's a movie.

Honestly, if Punisher was real he'd have been dead a long ass time ago. Who here honsetly believes that criminals would act like this, "Man this prick has on kevlar. I better keep firing at the skull instead of his unprotected head and hope I get lucky enough to kill him."? Yet for years, we've been told by the comics, that that's why he wears the skull, to keep attention away from his head. So why not a bullseye instead of a skull? (Other than because Bullseye already has one). He fought a guy named the monkey for the symbol, so why not walk around with a monkey on his chest?

Everyone has the right to say what they want about any movie, but the stuff on here is crazy sometimes. The colors are too bright, but isn't that how they look in the comics? If it was just the dark Bradstreet covers, imagine that in an already dark theater. You'd need freakin' night vision goggles. Remember when Armageddon came out? One of the biggest complaints, the movie was too dark. The violence is too silly most say. Yet in the comics, it's cool to see a man with no arms & legs get flung around into a shark's mouth, the pitsy fight, the Barracuda fight, Barracuda's death, Biting off Finn Cooley's face, all the exploding heads, it was all over the top/silly.

Nobody seems to want to mention the fact that they finally got his origin somewhat right (I don't think they have him as Nam vet roots in) with him having a wife and two kids killed in central park. Not a wife in two girls killed in a car-bomb, or the entire family on both sides wiped out. A wife, a son, & a dughter gunned down in central park. They're finally using other characters from the comics along with a villain. They finally set it in New York. They have Frank in a realistic punisher outfit. The shirt and pants with the trenchcoat is nice, and I hope it's in there, and the year one outfit was good, but if you're waging a one man war on crime, doesn't it make sense to dress like a swat or black ops guy?

So far, this could be the most true to form Punisher adaptation, and everyone is pissing on it. Remember the 04 teaser?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789Y7zM2lXk

Look at that and tell me that doesn't look like fan-filmed garbage.

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZZZBffx6oA&feature=related

No jokes about that huh? "You shouldn't play with knives." The rock song from some artist, the over the top action (Explosions, Swinging from a chain, getting thrown through walls, The oh so random shooting everywhere), the bright and colorful surroundings of Florida. The b-movie vibe. Everything that was *****ed about in the new trailers can be said for the 04 trailers. And lets not even mention the trailer with the sad stained music in the background.

With all that aside, guess what happend? People actually liked the 04 movie. So why can't we just wait and see the new film before we completely bash it (It looks like a Segal film, it's going direct to dvd, it looks cheap, it's to over the top). If it sucks it sucks, fine I'll deal with that if it does, like everyone else here that defends the film will if it does infact suck. But again remember what people thought about Iron Man & Incredible Hulk? Those films turned out to be pretty kick ass didn't they?

 

[Microchip]

Wooo you're my new friend Comicfan4life, although I don't think we're going to be seeing an Iron Man level movie. But I totally agree with you on most parts. And I do think we'll get a fun movie to spend a Friday on this December.

 

[jokerface89]

I agree on the Deadpool thing but Castle improvises alot. To him there's no such thing as too fancy or too brutal. Either way the results are gonna be the same: mother****ers end up dead. If Frank has to slide across the ground fine. If he has to dive around John Woo style fine. I agree on the chandelier thing, but seriously, it's a movie.

Honestly, if Punisher was real he'd have been dead a long ass time ago. Who here honsetly believes that criminals would act like this, "Man this prick has on kevlar. I better keep firing at the skull instead of his unprotected head and hope I get lucky enough to kill him."? Yet for years, we've been told by the comics, that that's why he wears the skull, to keep attention away from his head. So why not a bullseye instead of a skull? (Other than because Bullseye already has one). He fought a guy named the monkey for the symbol, so why not walk around with a monkey on his chest?

Everyone has the right to say what they want about any movie, but the stuff on here is crazy sometimes. The colors are too bright, but isn't that how they look in the comics? If it was just the dark Bradstreet covers, imagine that in an already dark theater. You'd need freakin' night vision goggles. Remember when Armageddon came out? One of the biggest complaints, the movie was too dark. The violence is too silly most say. Yet in the comics, it's cool to see a man with no arms & legs get flung around into a shark's mouth, the pitsy fight, the Barracuda fight, Barracuda's death, Biting off Finn Cooley's face, all the exploding heads, it was all over the top/silly.

Nobody seems to want to mention the fact that they finally got his origin somewhat right (I don't think they have him as Nam vet roots in) with him having a wife and two kids killed in central park. Not a wife in two girls killed in a car-bomb, or the entire family on both sides wiped out. A wife, a son, & a dughter gunned down in central park. They're finally using other characters from the comics along with a villain. They finally set it in New York. They have Frank in a realistic punisher outfit. The shirt and pants with the trenchcoat is nice, and I hope it's in there, and the year one outfit was good, but if you're waging a one man war on crime, doesn't it make sense to dress like a swat or black ops guy?

So far, this could be the most true to form Punisher adaptation, and everyone is pissing on it. Remember the 04 teaser?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789Y7zM2lXk

Look at that and tell me that doesn't look like fan-filmed garbage.

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZZZBffx6oA&feature=related

No jokes about that huh? "You shouldn't play with knives." The rock song from some artist, the over the top action (Explosions, Swinging from a chain, getting thrown through walls, The oh so random shooting everywhere), the bright and colorful surroundings of Florida. The b-movie vibe. Everything that was *****ed about in the new trailers can be said for the 04 trailers. And lets not even mention the trailer with the sad stained music in the background.

With all that aside, guess what happend? People actually liked the 04 movie. So why can't we just wait and see the new film before we completely bash it (It looks like a Segal film, it's going direct to dvd, it looks cheap, it's to over the top). If it sucks it sucks, fine I'll deal with that if it does, like everyone else here that defends the film will if it does infact suck. But again remember what people thought about Iron Man & Incredible Hulk? Those films turned out to be pretty kick ass didn't they?

Great post you made alot of strong points and I remember when the Incredible Hulk trailer came out everyone though it suck, even the clips I belive got mix reactions but it turn out to be a great superhero flick.The thing is that while some truly do have real reassons for disliking this flick already others are just nit picking and trying to find something wrong.

 

[KT7777]

I agree on the Deadpool thing but Castle improvises alot. To him there's no such thing as too fancy or too brutal. Either way the results are gonna be the same: mother****ers end up dead. If Frank has to slide across the ground fine. If he has to dive around John Woo style fine. I agree on the chandelier thing, but seriously, it's a movie.

Honestly, if Punisher was real he'd have been dead a long ass time ago. Who here honsetly believes that criminals would act like this, "Man this prick has on kevlar. I better keep firing at the skull instead of his unprotected head and hope I get lucky enough to kill him."? Yet for years, we've been told by the comics, that that's why he wears the skull, to keep attention away from his head. So why not a bullseye instead of a skull? (Other than because Bullseye already has one). He fought a guy named the monkey for the symbol, so why not walk around with a monkey on his chest?

Everyone has the right to say what they want about any movie, but the stuff on here is crazy sometimes. The colors are too bright, but isn't that how they look in the comics? If it was just the dark Bradstreet covers, imagine that in an already dark theater. You'd need freakin' night vision goggles. Remember when Armageddon came out? One of the biggest complaints, the movie was too dark. The violence is too silly most say. Yet in the comics, it's cool to see a man with no arms & legs get flung around into a shark's mouth, the pitsy fight, the Barracuda fight, Barracuda's death, Biting off Finn Cooley's face, all the exploding heads, it was all over the top/silly.

Nobody seems to want to mention the fact that they finally got his origin somewhat right (I don't think they have him as Nam vet roots in) with him having a wife and two kids killed in central park. Not a wife in two girls killed in a car-bomb, or the entire family on both sides wiped out. A wife, a son, & a dughter gunned down in central park. They're finally using other characters from the comics along with a villain. They finally set it in New York. They have Frank in a realistic punisher outfit. The shirt and pants with the trenchcoat is nice, and I hope it's in there, and the year one outfit was good, but if you're waging a one man war on crime, doesn't it make sense to dress like a swat or black ops guy?

So far, this could be the most true to form Punisher adaptation, and everyone is pissing on it. Remember the 04 teaser?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789Y7zM2lXk

Look at that and tell me that doesn't look like fan-filmed garbage.

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZZZBffx6oA&feature=related

No jokes about that huh? "You shouldn't play with knives." The rock song from some artist, the over the top action (Explosions, Swinging from a chain, getting thrown through walls, The oh so random shooting everywhere), the bright and colorful surroundings of Florida. The b-movie vibe. Everything that was *****ed about in the new trailers can be said for the 04 trailers. And lets not even mention the trailer with the sad stained music in the background.

With all that aside, guess what happend? People actually liked the 04 movie. So why can't we just wait and see the new film before we completely bash it (It looks like a Segal film, it's going direct to dvd, it looks cheap, it's to over the top). If it sucks it sucks, fine I'll deal with that if it does, like everyone else here that defends the film will if it does infact suck. But again remember what people thought about Iron Man & Incredible Hulk? Those films turned out to be pretty kick ass didn't they?

Great post!!

 

[theJ0K3R]

To be honest, I hope it's the most action-packed, blood spilling, chair leg through an eyeball, fist through the face, movie ever. It's a Punisher movie, not an oscar nominee, hopefully. I just want to see Ray Stevenson with a skull on his chest blowing bullets through gangs and everyone else in his way of laying down the best punishment shown in a movie, ever.

The non-Punisher fans and some Punisher fans may not like this movie because it's not a hollywood version like the last one, that will create buzz. Don't expect a big box office. To tell you the truth, I don't even know why this is in the theaters. But that doesn't mean I don't like it. Already through the trailers, I can honestly say this is going to be a true Punisher movie, something most people won't like, but I know I will. For the ones who say it looks like a B-movie, that is the point. Punisher is suppose to be nasty, dark. Punishment shouldn't be light and non-violent.

 

[Nathan]

Like I said, I'm just a casual Fan of Punisher. My expectations weren't high. I just recently read some Punisher issues and the vibe I get from those is classic, old school, Rambo action. Which only makes sense since he's a vietnam veteran and has seen and experienced the cruelty of war. So I'm expecting some really basic stuff and not anything that even remotely reminds me of John Woo.

As for the colors, just because the comics are colorful, that doesn't mean the movie has to be. I'll just remind you of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. I'd rather have something like TDK in look and feel.

About the violence, I was never a fan of the real gory stuff. But it's the Punisher, so that's really the dumbest aspect to complain about. It's like complaining that Batman dresses like a Bat. But if they have to go the over the top violent route, I at least expect them not to be even more silly than the comics. Come on, punching someone in the face and making it explode? The hell? Didn't know the Punisher had superhuman strength.

 

[Microchip]

He had his head up against the wall and Punisher doesn't pull his punches. And his face doesn't explode, it caved in where he hit him. Weak bone structure, what you gonna do.

As for the colours, if there never was a 'Batman and Robin', you wouldn't have a problem? Does every poorly-saturated movie automatically draw comparison to Saving Private Ryan? Every movie doesn't have to try to be TDK. There's ways of being dark and menacing without following Nolan's formula step for step.

 

[Nathan]

He had his head up against the wall and Punisher doesn't pull his punches. And his face doesn't explode, it caved in where he hit him. Weak bone structure, what you gonna do.

It's incredibly silly.

As for the colours, if there never was a 'Batman and Robin', you wouldn't have a problem?

No, I would have to look for another movie with poor comic colors as an example.

Does every poorly-saturated movie automatically draw comparison to Saving Private Ryan? Every movie doesn't have to try to be TDK. There's ways of being dark and menacing without following Nolan's formula step for step.

I'm not saying it should follow TDK's formula step for step. Only as far as colors go, it should be more TDK than B&R.

 

[Microchip]

1,2 and 3 it's not TDK. It's not going to try be a gritty, ultra-realistic movie. He's punching in the guy's face because it looks cool. If that makes you squeamish, you probably couldn't get through the MAX series anyways. That's cool. There's plenty of other Punisher comics for you where they tone down that violence. The movie, thankfully, won't do that.

The colours aren't poor, they just are oversaturated. What is TDK's colour scheme anyways? I don't think there is one. It's just normal lighting, with a slight blue tinge at times. Punisher on the other hand is using the rich lighting to set itself apart from other movies. Punisher 2004 could have been any low-budget action movie. War Zone is actually trying to be a comic book movie, from using the actual characters in Punisher right down to the level of violence, and coloring.

 

[Nathan]

It doesn't make me squeamish. It makes me shake my head because it looks like the scene belongs to some over the top, silly, C-Movie. Yes, C, not B. It's that bad. I don't mind people exploding Rambo style and having their brains blown out. But punching someone's face in is dumb. Simple as that.

 

[S. Grundy]

And frankly all the neon and yellow lighting was a ****ty idea. It makes it look like a SAW knock off.

 

[ObakeTora]

Ok, I think we've had this talk before, but Tony Stark gets a chest full of shrapnel in Vietnam originally, doesn't he? In the new film, they change it to Afghanistan.

Now you can say "Oh, that doesn't matter as much" but it does. Tony Stark is an arms manufacturer at the time and he needs to see a cruel, unpopular war to change his ways. They just changed it to Afghanistan and I think it worked great.

that DOES matter because Vietnam was such a small part in Tony's history. The origin practically begged to be retooled. But to have Frank cast as a younger person just to be "hip" thats sacrilege! There are hundreds of good stories that involved Punisher's Vietnam history. Nam for Tony was a small part for him, as you said he was an "arms manufacturer" however Punisher was created in nam! Not to knock our boys who served in Afghanistan or Iraq, but Vietnam was the war where you were constantly being reminded of death.

Besides, the comic writers barely ever have his age appear that old, especially in 616. They play it up about 1/4th the time in MAX, but even then MOST of the time he isn't even drawn like he's late 50s, early 60s. He's drawn about 40-45ish. Especially with that Goran Pavlov guy, or whatever his name is!

You know with advancements in technology today 50 ish isnt really that old. It just sounds old when your trying to sell a soundtrack to a bunch of high school kids. Look at Vince frikin Mcmahon!!!! Punishers whole appeal was that he has been there, he is old, he is wise like Yoda, yet as dangerous as falling asleep on frying chicken on a gas stove. I still say keep Nam.

 

[Microchip]

that DOES matter because Vietnam was such a small part in Tony's history. The origin practically begged to be retooled. But to have Frank cast as a younger person just to be "hip" thats sacrilege! There are hundreds of good stories that involved Punisher's Vietnam history. Nam for Tony was a small part for him, as you said he was an "arms manufacturer" however Punisher was created in nam! Not to knock our boys who served in Afghanistan or Iraq, but Vietnam was the war where you were constantly being reminded of death.

I can certainly see your side of this, but I'd say that Punisher was created out of his wife and children's deaths. I know it's important to show that he is a truly violent man who actually lives for war but at the same time is kept humane by his love for his family, but I think it's more vital that his family was massacred to show why he became the Punisher.

And I'm not trying to say make the Punisher 'hip', he certainly doesn't need to be that! Just not an old fogie.

You know with advancements in technology today 50 ish isnt really that old. It just sounds old when your trying to sell a soundtrack to a bunch of high school kids. Look at Vince frikin Mcmahon!!!! Punishers whole appeal was that he has been there, he is old, he is wise like Yoda, yet as dangerous as falling asleep on frying chicken on a gas stove. I still say keep Nam.

I've never actually fried chicken on a gas stove, but Yoda got stupid when he started jumping around with his lightsaber, just like Frank's going to become stupid if they keep this charade up for 10 more years.

1971, he's 21. That's Punisher MAX, mind you. But still, lets go with that. That'd make him, what, 58 now? In ten years, he'll be scratching on 70. Are we trying to appeal him to elderly comic readers now, or would you say by then it'll be time to rework his origin a tad to keep him realistic?

 

[Balthus Dire]

I agree on the Deadpool thing but Castle improvises alot. To him there's no such thing as too fancy or too brutal. Either way the results are gonna be the same: mother****ers end up dead. If Frank has to slide across the ground fine. If he has to dive around John Woo style fine. I agree on the chandelier thing, but seriously, it's a movie.

Honestly, if Punisher was real he'd have been dead a long ass time ago. Who here honsetly believes that criminals would act like this, "Man this prick has on kevlar. I better keep firing at the skull instead of his unprotected head and hope I get lucky enough to kill him."? Yet for years, we've been told by the comics, that that's why he wears the skull, to keep attention away from his head. So why not a bullseye instead of a skull? (Other than because Bullseye already has one). He fought a guy named the monkey for the symbol, so why not walk around with a monkey on his chest?

Everyone has the right to say what they want about any movie, but the stuff on here is crazy sometimes. The colors are too bright, but isn't that how they look in the comics? If it was just the dark Bradstreet covers, imagine that in an already dark theater. You'd need freakin' night vision goggles. Remember when Armageddon came out? One of the biggest complaints, the movie was too dark. The violence is too silly most say. Yet in the comics, it's cool to see a man with no arms & legs get flung around into a shark's mouth, the pitsy fight, the Barracuda fight, Barracuda's death, Biting off Finn Cooley's face, all the exploding heads, it was all over the top/silly.

Nobody seems to want to mention the fact that they finally got his origin somewhat right (I don't think they have him as Nam vet roots in) with him having a wife and two kids killed in central park. Not a wife in two girls killed in a car-bomb, or the entire family on both sides wiped out. A wife, a son, & a dughter gunned down in central park. They're finally using other characters from the comics along with a villain. They finally set it in New York. They have Frank in a realistic punisher outfit. The shirt and pants with the trenchcoat is nice, and I hope it's in there, and the year one outfit was good, but if you're waging a one man war on crime, doesn't it make sense to dress like a swat or black ops guy?

So far, this could be the most true to form Punisher adaptation, and everyone is pissing on it. Remember the 04 teaser?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789Y7zM2lXk

Look at that and tell me that doesn't look like fan-filmed garbage.

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZZZBffx6oA&feature=related

No jokes about that huh? "You shouldn't play with knives." The rock song from some artist, the over the top action (Explosions, Swinging from a chain, getting thrown through walls, The oh so random shooting everywhere), the bright and colorful surroundings of Florida. The b-movie vibe. Everything that was *****ed about in the new trailers can be said for the 04 trailers. And lets not even mention the trailer with the sad stained music in the background.

With all that aside, guess what happend? People actually liked the 04 movie. So why can't we just wait and see the new film before we completely bash it (It looks like a Segal film, it's going direct to dvd, it looks cheap, it's to over the top). If it sucks it sucks, fine I'll deal with that if it does, like everyone else here that defends the film will if it does infact suck. But again remember what people thought about Iron Man & Incredible Hulk? Those films turned out to be pretty kick ass didn't they?

Best post I've seen in this forum.

 

[Nathan]

I find the '04 Trailer to better in quality than the War Zone Trailer. I honestly don't find much or any of the things that I dislike in the War Zone Trailer, in the '04 Trailer.

- Over the top action: Other than the wall throwing, which on film actually looked well done, there's nothing else over the top about in it. And explosions actually look real.
- Bright and colorful surroundings: The hell you talking about? Day light bright is different from neon color bright. And the only colorful surroundings I've seen are way back in the background at the bar, when Castle goes after Saint.
- B-Movie vibe: Don't feel it. At least not as much as with the War Zone Trailer. And if the '04 movie had a B-Movie vibe, then War Zone has a C or D-Movie vibe.

So, no, I actually don't find much or any of the things I complained about the War Zone Trailer, in the '04 Trailer.

 

[S. Grundy]

And you gotta respect Tom Jane for almost breaking his neck launching him self through that wall. And the explosion look real, because all of them were real, right down to setting a stunt man on fire and launching him through the air.

Lexi Alexander is for all intents and purposes considered a C-list director by most. So that's not surprising.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I find the '04 Trailer to better in quality than the War Zone Trailer. I honestly don't find much or any of the things that I dislike in the War Zone Trailer, in the '04 Trailer.

- Over the top action: Other than the wall throwing, which on film actually looked well done, there's nothing else over the top about in it. And explosions actually look real.
- Bright and colorful surroundings: The hell you talking about? Day light bright is different from neon color bright. And the only colorful surroundings I've seen are way back in the background at the bar, when Castle goes after Saint.
- B-Movie vibe: Don't feel it. At least not as much as with the War Zone Trailer. And if the '04 movie had a B-Movie vibe, then War Zone has a C or D-Movie vibe.

So, no, I actually don't find much or any of the things I complained about the War Zone Trailer, in the '04 Trailer.

Man, I swear some of you intentionally ignore the dumb aspects of the 04 film. There is so much slapstick comedy in that movie and just comedy in general and people act like it was the be-all end all serious Punisher film. Get real! The supporting characters include Bumpo and Dave, both of which are there soley for the purpose of whacky humor!

And "no over the top" stuff?? During the Russian fight, Frank is hit with a toilet, plays baseball with a grenade, and gets his head comedicaly smushed in a fridge; all to opera music. The entire fight is over the top!! And let's not forget the grand finale when Frank blows up a bunch of cars to make a Punisher skull in flames. Yeah, that's really realistic!!

And let's not forget the change of The Punisher's entire origin, where his entire family is massacred in an incredibly ham fisted series of events, and then Frank is rescued by some kind of witch doctor who nurses him back to health?? Yeah, great stuff there!

All that being said, I actually like the 04 movie! I really do! It takes a lot from Welcome Back Frank, which had a lot of whacky humor throughout, so I can appreciate that. What I can't understand is why people give the new one such a hard time and at the same time can embrace the 04 movie as the be-all-end-all of Punisher films!

Whether you think the new movie will suck or not, the fact is it's the most accurate depiction of the character and universe on film yet. They got the origin right, they got the setting, the villains and supporting characters, and the best part of all......Frank actually kills people in this movie! What a shocker! Sorry, but I'll take one scene with Frank hanging from a chandelier over Frank planting evidence and fire hydrants to fool his enemies for some dumb reason.

 

[S. Grundy]

It doesn't look good, don't like the director, didn't like the script/direction they were taking it.

 

[ccdev]

With all that aside, guess what happend? People actually liked the 04 movie. So why can't we just wait and see the new film before we completely bash it (It looks like a Segal film, it's going direct to dvd, it looks cheap, it's to over the top). If it sucks it sucks, fine I'll deal with that if it does, like everyone else here that defends the film will if it does infact suck. But again remember what people thought about Iron Man & Incredible Hulk? Those films turned out to be pretty kick ass didn't they?

guess what? Your generalisation is way off. some people actually thought the 04 movie sucked; and looking at the box office, it was a lot of "some people". Of course we can wait, but that's the whole point of a discussion thread. If they want to comment, go ahead. And no, I thought the Incredible Hulk was ****ty, weightless CGI monster vs CGI monster (big freaking deal), and so did a lot of people who saw it. If War Zone is anything like the earlier Seagal films, i would be the first in line.

 

[Brendan]

some people actually thought the 04 movie sucked; and looking at the box office, it was a lot of "some people".

But if a lot of people didn't see it, then how would a lot of people know if it sucked? A lot of people saw the Halloween remake and a lot of people thought it sucked. A lot of people didn't see The Thing when it first came out, and now it's considered a classic. I'm not trying to argue with you though, I'm just pointing out the flaw in your statement.

 

[S. Grundy]

And there was the whole Kill Bill thing, gotta wonder who ever thought that was a good idea to put it up against that movie.

 

[SWAT]

I've probably said this a million times but. What Jane wanted for the movie was just great IMO... And if he had gotten his way, I think, we all would have a movie to look forward to. I mean... WALTER HILL!!
Have you guys seen how Jane looked right before he dropped out? He looked like The ****ing Punisher.

But, I have changed my mind when it comes to Stevenson. I think He'll do a good job, the same goes to the other actors... But, my mind hasen't changed when it comes to Lexi.

 

[Microchip]

What did Jane want for the movie?

 

[Kable24]

I loved Tom Jane's portrayal of the Punisher. The 2004 movie is far from perfect, but to me changing the origin aside, had the heart of the character down perfectly. People tend to forget that when the movie was being written and filmed, we didn't have the MAX series. We had the goofy Marvel Knights series. That's where the dark humor of Bumpo and Spacker Dave come in to play.

I was pissed with changing out Jane as the Punisher, but Stevenson grows on me. He seems like he can pull of the newest incarnation of the Punisher. Casting is the only thing this movie has going for it in my opinion. I think Lexi went to over the top with the violence and the lighting. Just from the few clips we have seen it seems every scene is this unnatural light with the yellows, reds and whatever else. I'm sorry but the punch to the face is ridiculous. To prove a point, I did a little research into what Castle does when punching the eye sockets like that.
What he causes when punching the eye area is called Maxillary Fractures LeFort III. With what I was reading this is the closet to the trauma that was caused when Frank punched ink in the face. There are three stages of LeFort Fractures. The third being the most devastating. There are also 2 types of non LeFort Fractures. These are less severe than LeFort I.
Two types of non–Le Fort maxillary fractures of note are relatively common. First, limited and very focused blunt trauma may result in small, isolated fracture segments. Often, a hammer or other instrument is the causative weapon. In particular, the alveolar ridge, maxillary sinus anterior wall, and nasomaxillary junction, by virtue of their accessibility, are common sites of such injury. Second, submental forces directed superiorly may result in several discrete vertical fractures through various horizontal bony supports such as the alveolar ridge, infraorbital rim, and zygomatic arches.

Unlike with fractures in other bones, muscle forces do not play a significant role in the final position of the broken bony segments. While several muscles attach to the maxillary framework, they typically insert to skin and therefore do not lead to additional deformity. Instead, the basis for the patterns of maxillary fractures depends on 2 predominant factors.

First, as Le Fort described, the location, direction, and energy of the impact result in different injuries. Second, the anatomy of the mid face is oriented to provide strength and support to protect against injury. Vertical and horizontal bony bolstering in the face absorbs the energy of traumatic force. This serves to protect the more vital intracranial contents from damage during trauma. Knowledge of the characteristics of the traumatic blow combined with an understanding of the anatomic bolstering in the face can help the clinician approach such injury in a logical and systematic fashion. A detailed description of the bony maxillary framework is presented in Relevant Anatomy.

Pretty much what it is saying is that with the damage Frank caused on his face is basically the same thing as being hit by a sledge hammer going 30 miles an hour.

But it's a movie and it's supposed to look cool. To bad it failed.

Lexi made it look like a 1980's Action Channel made for tv movie. I can live with the chandelier thing and the floor sliding and the jumping across the rooftop because it's a movie. You have got to keep the audience entertained. I just think she tried to put to much of the comic book into it and made it a laughing cliche of itself.