Homecoming What should they do with the Spidey franchise? - Part 2

[NewYorkSpider]

Spider-Man appearing in Civil War with Marvel's two successful franchises(Iron Man and Captain America) would boost his popularity back up with the GA IMO. I think it's a perfect way to introduce the character, especially into a story like that so the GA is intrigued where his journey takes him.

I also think if that were to happen, Kraven would be an ideal villain for him to take on in his first solo movie, especially if he was getting all this media attention.

 

[OP84CC82]

With respect I disagree. I don't think there's much interest from the GA. The ASM1 was decently received yet ASM2 fell off considerably...at least domestically.

There's no way an ASM3 is going to suddenly be successful coming off a crap film. Factor in these hacks and insider info going public on this franchise, it's an uphill battle for Sony to draw interest in a continuation of this series.

I never said they wanted another Spider-Man film, I just said that they were expecting one. Most people I know stopped caring about the franchise after Maguire & Co. But they'd still say Sony is going too far if they decide to reboot again after only two films.

 

[ironwez20]

Just put spiderman in the MCU. Seriously I would be surprised if he doesnt show up soon.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Just put spiderman in the MCU. Seriously I would be surprised if he doesnt show up soon.

Never underestimate the power of Sony's ability headless chicken levels of stupidity.

 

[thorstone]

What the heck does Spidey have to do with the X-Men? And how would he possibly fit in with that universe which has a completely different tone? That would be even worse than where he's at now. And you want Sony to deal with Fox now?

Change of tone-- hence reboot.

Days of Future's Past had a far superior tone (and overall quality) compared to any of Marvel's films to date. Fox and Singer are making cinema while Marvel is making comic book serials.

 

[harryoscop]

Change of tone-- hence reboot.

Days of Future's Past had a far superior tone (and overall quality) compared to any of Marvel's films to date. Fox and Singer are making cinema while Marvel is making comic book serials.

That's only your opinion..

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Put it on hold, don't make another movie.

Or...

Cancel the spinoffs, go with ASM3 only.

 

[Mr.M]

While I prefer the tone of the X-Men over the MCU, Spiderman has no business there. If anything the deal should've been cut across Spiderman over with the FF to boost both franchises together. Imagine if Fox still had DD. Then you could have really had two competing universes. Of course no one could have had that foresight.

 

[The Infernal]

Change of tone-- hence reboot.

Days of Future's Past had a far superior tone (and overall quality) compared to any of Marvel's films to date. Fox and Singer are making cinema while Marvel is making comic book serials.

Never gonna happen. For one thing it's impossible. Fox at the moment can't crossover the Marvel properties they already have. No way would they be able to crossover with another companies property with their X-men.

Besides as far as tone goes the MCU would be far more ideal for a Spider-man movie than forcing it into Fox's take on the X-men.

 

[Mirals]

Give me this Peter Parker, played by an actual 16 year old actor and not an adult pretending to be a teenager.

No more stuttering, no more 1610 influences. Something among the lines of 616/Maguire's Peter.

Actual costumes, please. In a world where Sony gave us the best live action Spidey suit, and where Marvel Studios gave us the perfect Captain America and Vision costumes, ''it wouldn't translate good on screen'' is the worst excuse ever imaginable. Better say you were too incompetent at doing your job.

If they simply can't get it right, just give up and hand it over to Marvel Studios. Let them do a Netflix show called Spider-Man: Learning to Crawl, introducing many of his supporting characters and pre-costumed villains. Have Peter fight someone like the Kingpin or Hammerhead.

Last episode would feature a small teaser promoting a movie where he finally fights someone with powers and learns that, while he defeated his first proper villain, he still has a lot to learn.

Note: NO SHIELD INVOLVEMENT AT ALL PLEASE

Ok.
First:
- 16 years old is TOO young. I think I know what you want. You want a movie as close as possible to "the young Comicbook Peter Parker bitten by a spider". But sincerely, the age doesn't matter. What matters is the experience, and the look. In that case, If we are talking about a reboot, the best placed actors would be Logan Lerman, or Dylan O'Brien.

Then:
- There's a paradox here. You seems to want something very accurate, very close to the comic book. But Tobey Maguire's interpretation of Peter Parker is nowhere near as the actual 616 Peter Parker! Maybe you wrote that because you prefer Maguire over Garfield. But as an actual reader of the 616 Spider-Man serie, I've to tell you that Andrew Garfield delivered to closest interpretation of the 616-Peter Parker/Spider-Man.

 

[LizardMan07]

Guys before people jump down mirals throat and say that Peter was a grumpy hipster when played by andgaf and that tobes was amazing plz remember that Sony is the common enemy and we should email them or something and possibly beg them not to make the birth of venom about the sinister six laughing at peters new suit

Love and care

BRAB

 

[The Infernal]

Pretty sure you can easily find actual readers of the 616 Spider-man series who felt Maguire was more 616 Peter Parker/Spider-man and that Garfield was more Ultimate Peter Parker/Spider-man.

Edit:

Guys before people jump down mirals throat and say that Peter was a grumpy hipster when played by andgaf and that tobes was amazing plz remember that Sony is the common enemy and we should email them or something and possibly beg them not to make the birth of venom about the sinister six laughing at peters new suit

Love and care

BRAB

Lolz. Was already typing. Besides, not jumping on him. Just saying we each have our own opinion.

Though personally I wouldn't call Sony the 'enemy'. I feel more sorry for them than I do any hate. They don't have the first clue what to do with Spider-man and yet there if they just swallowed their pride and made a deal with Marvel it wouldn't be so bad for them.

 

[Mirals]

Guys before people jump down mirals throat and say that Peter was a grumpy hipster when played by andgaf and that tobes was amazing plz remember that Sony is the common enemy and we should email them or something and possibly beg them not to make the birth of venom about the sinister six laughing at peters new suit

Love and care

BRAB

Hahaha

 

[Tymminator]

People bring up DoFP as something to aspire to like it's some type of masterpiece of Cinema, and although I liked it myself, I have my own opinion.

I enjoyed DoFP because I've loved that storyline since I was a kid and the X-Men were my favorite comic for literally decades, but IMO it's far from superior to all Marvel Studios movies. It's my favorite from that universe I admit, but that's as far as I can go.

Fox's X-Men movies in general although many of them are enjoyable, retread many of their elements over and over, and although I hear some say they "they don't play it safe like Marvel Studios movies" I find just the opposite, in many ways even the best from the X-Films use much of the same things they used before over and over.

Again, I enjoy them, but I just feel people make them "deeper" than they really are, they are still comic book movies they just use moodier music/score and avoid superhero costumes more than most.

 

[Tymminator]

See the newest leak? Looks like Michael De Luca, co-president of production for Columbia Pictures, at one point sent an email to Pascal and seemed keen on the idea of Spidey popping up in CW.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Fox and Singer are making cinema while Marvel is making comic book serials.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Pretty sure you can easily find actual readers of the 616 Spider-man series who felt Maguire was more 616 Peter Parker/Spider-man

Yup, that would be me...

Guys before people jump down mirals throat and say that Peter was a grumpy hipster when played by andgaf and that tobes was amazing plz remember that Sony is the common enemy and we should email them or something and possibly beg them not to make the birth of venom about the sinister six laughing at peters new suit

Love and care

BRAB

Agree. Right now I think Sony needs to cut a deal with Marvel to reboot. We have moved past Toby and Garfield.

As far as DOFP, I liked it. A lot. Certainly more than TASM movies. But, honestly, the tone for a Spider-Man movie should be more like the Marvel movies, specifically The Avengers. Joss Whedon would be perfect for Spidey, particularly the quipping.

 

[kedrell]

Change of tone-- hence reboot.

Days of Future's Past had a far superior tone (and overall quality) compared to any of Marvel's films to date. Fox and Singer are making cinema while Marvel is making comic book serials.

Days of Future Past's only excuse for existing is franchise management. Shuffling around the pieces so they are set up for the future without really much else. It's a housecleaning movie. It's a load of crap by comparison.

 

[Tymminator]

Days of Future Past's only excuse for existing is franchise management. Shuffling around the pieces so they are set up for the future without really much else. It's a housecleaning movie. It's a load of crap by comparison.

Not to derail the thread much more, but on a related note, when I watched the movie with my wife who is by far not a comic nerd (but she's married to me, so she's a comic nerd by association), she asked me "why would the Sentinels use Mystique for getting information how to duplicate powers over Rogue who can actually duplicate people's powers"? And I had to say "because Mystique is Jennifer Lawrence".

 

[Visualiza]

People bring up DoFP as something to aspire to like it's some type of masterpiece of Cinema, and although I liked it myself but I have my own opinion.


Again, I enjoy them, but I just feel people make them "deeper" than they really are, they are still comic book movies they just use moodier music/score and avoid superhero costumes more than most.

Well said. It usually comes from the types who put a premium on melodrama and tone, not realizing that those two things aren't what separates high art from the escapist popcorn flicks that the rest of us plebeians consume. We argue over some pretty trivial details here all the time, but I'd take that any day of the week over the faux-snobbery that some people exhibit. All I hear when I read stuff like that is "My costumed hero movie is more sophisticated than your costumed hero movie because DRAMA EMOTION TONE MATURE REALISM".

I loved DoFP (easily among the genre's best IMO), but it seems to be the successor to TDK in that certain folks like to use it as a glass house from which to throw stones.

 

[kedrell]

^Even more well said. I completely agree.

 

[Dark Raven]

Change of tone-- hence reboot.

Days of Future's Past had a far superior tone (and overall quality) compared to any of Marvel's films to date. Fox and Singer are making cinema while Marvel is making comic book serials.

It's not just a change of dramatic tone though. There are only mutants in the Fox X-Men universe and are generally feared not accepted. There are no other kinds of heroes. People in the xmen world will think Spidey is also a mutant, unless perhaps you want him to be reimagined as one for the reboot and join the ranks of the X-Men?

 

[Stormz96]

It's not just a change of dramatic tone though. There are only mutants in the Fox X-Men universe and are generally feared not accepted. There are no other kinds of heroes. People in the xmen world will think Spidey is also a mutant, unless perhaps you want him to be reimagined as one for the reboot and join the ranks of the X-Men?

The way I see it is this, and this is by no way bashing one side or the other: the X-Men cinematic universe is a harsher one. The mutants aren't the "save the day whilst a crowd of onlookers cheer you on" type heroes. I just don't think spidey fits there. But then again, public opinion of the mutants could change once apocalypse hits, so who knows?

 

[JJ01]

Ok.

Then:
- There's a paradox here. You seems to want something very accurate, very close to the comic book. But Tobey Maguire's interpretation of Peter Parker is nowhere near as the actual 616 Peter Parker! Maybe you wrote that because you prefer Maguire over Garfield. But as an actual reader of the 616 Spider-Man series, I've to tell you that Andrew Garfield delivered to closest interpretation of the 616-Peter Parker/Spider-Man.

Garfield was a good Spider-Man, but I never liked him as Peter. I see him and reminds me of Ultimate Peter, whereas I see Maguire and I see 616 Peter. I think I just don't feel Garfield. That is not say he is not a good actor, as some people imply.

And yes, I just watched some videos of Dylan, and he looks/sounds the part. Really good choice. But if they were to reboot the franchise, I'd rather have Dylan playing a young adult Peter.

 

[BatsDC]

A live action TV adaptation of The Spectacular Spider-Man would be so fantastic