Superman Returns What Singer needs to do for the sequel to make it a sucess.

I think the main thing people wanted was Superman in a fist to fist battle with a villain. I think that would definately be necessary with the sequel and probably will happen. Many have complained about his little amount of time in Smallville, at the farm, and it would be nice to see him flying back home to talk to mom about things some more.
 
Galactical said:
a reversal..Just that clark would be a lot like superman instead of bumbling around, similar to how peter's not really hiding under any fake persona and is himself until he puts the mask on to become spidey which gives him more freedom to be the charming friendly superhero.

Didn't batman have all these same post crisis/pre crisis/different versions from Adam west to burton to bruce timm too? how did that effect begins' reception by fans?

The idea of making superman seem to come from our collective consciousness was great! But unfortunately, and here's the downer, he came more from donner's collective conscious than anywhere else, although even that's not entirely true. He has a little fleischer to him and something else never really seen before I believe.

what I think may have been lacking a little was the smallville side to superman. We flashback to witness a happy kid learning he's a god in smallville. his mom assures him that he's still got her. we know all that. In the next movie maybe we can learn more about what he was taught by his earth father rather than Jor-el. i remember it was written somewhere that if superman had fallen into the hands of some bad guys, he'd become an evil guy. I think that comes from the animated show and I believed a part of donner's film too. Superman does all these good things because that's who he is and who he was raised to be. In returns it seems as if the only voice that compelled superman to do his service to humanity was jor-el's while his more human side that exploits the good in all of us, mostly his parents, became more and more lost. i'd be interested in more exploration of that human side of superman in relation to his son, heck, even his new family if richard dies, than the side that has to fight like jor el's little soldier. Maybe we will see how he father's his son similarly to how johnathan fathered him?

Batman Begins worked because it took O Neils Batman, loeb's Batman, and Millers batman instead of just doing miller's Batman. That way, most bat fans were pleased with the movie.

that can be done with Superman. not all of us wanna see MOS on screen. The current titles are doing this perfectly, blending post crisis and pre crisis together.
 
Well, DC had nothing to do with SR at all.

Untrue. DC Comics has been there from the beginning. Hence the prequel comics, comic book references in SUPERMAN RETURNS, etc. DC is also going forward with plans for Superman and Lois to have a son in the comic book universe, apparently. And for some reason people keep ignoring that a process similar to the one Nolan went through for BATMAN BEGINS happened for this film, including the "opening of the vault". Harris, Doughtery and Singer spent like a week or two just reading TONS of classic comic book arcs and stories while conceptualizing this movie. They didn't base SUPERMAN RETURNS on any of them because they already knew they wanted to make this film. But elements of several classic stories and classic elements of Superman show up in the film, just like in BATMAN BEGINS. Bibbo Bibbowski and the Ace O' Clubs, the homage to the cover to Action Comics, Superman's solar power recharging, Superman saving the Daily Planet's globe, The Death of Superman, etc. Even Kitty Kowaleski is not just a clone of Miss Tessmacher, but an archetypical "Luthor-related" element from the comics. Luthor's ALWAYS surrounded himself with bimbos in the comics.
 
Uh....isn't Lex Luthor always looked for a perfect mate? A woman who's can be his equal, meaning....not being a stupid ****e?

I dunno.....BATMAN BEGINS took themes, and scenes, from the comics. Not just small tidbits, but they made it meld together.

I just think SR could have used more of the comics. And, I'm not even angry about Pre-crisis. Joe Chill is pre-crisis.....and BATMAN BEGINS actually convinced DC to rbing Joe Chill back into continuity, so that's cool.

I really would like to see more comic stuff in the Superman sequel.
 
Dave Kocher said:
What are you thoughts. I think he needs to do this


1. Add a brighter shade of red to the costume. Some scenes of SR looked as if the red was purple. People reconize Superman with Red, Blue and Yellow.

2. Add a supervillian

-Braniac, Parasite,darkseid etc.

enough of lex luthor. People are tired of him. Although Kevin Spacey was great as Lex. People already get enough of Lex on Smallville.

3. Stay loyal to the comics! Sam Rami was loyal to Spider-man in the comics and that franchise is huge.

4. Needs more color, like rami style.


1. Agree. More colour would be nice. My only complaint is how dark the cape is.

2. Yes but still keep Lex in the film. I think they should go with Brainiac. We need a great fight scene to end the film, look at Spiderman 2 the fight scenes are amazing.

3. Agree. Singer said he doesn't read comics and the sequel may suffer as a result of that.

4. I had no problem with this. I loved how dark the film was. If he wants to add more colour though I'm cool with it.
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
Uh....isn't Lex Luthor always looked for a perfect mate? A woman who's can be his equal, meaning....not being a stupid ****e?

I dunno.....BATMAN BEGINS took themes, and scenes, from the comics. Not just small tidbits, but they made it meld together.

I just think SR could have used more of the comics. And, I'm not even angry about Pre-crisis. Joe Chill is pre-crisis.....and BATMAN BEGINS actually convinced DC to rbing Joe Chill back into continuity, so that's cool.

I really would like to see more comic stuff in the Superman sequel.


well, the thing is, im willing to bet that most people here whining about pre crisis have not actually read a pre crisis story.
 
i tell you one thing i missed from superman returns was the green crystal which clark finds

i think singer should have put a scene in where clark finds the green crystal in his barn like in the first movie and the fourth movies,

i just love it when the green crystal glows and john williams krypton music plays in the background. maybe they could have Lara talking to Clark,

that would have made it more epic!

singer virtually took most of the elements of the donner movie, so the green crystal should have been there too!!

i just watched superman the movie on uk TV yesterday and it was amazing how epic it is,

the way the scenes and the score is put together is nothing short of unbelievable, it has to be the best movie score in history, and Williams best score as well.

i think the sequel needs to have superman in a proper fist fight with a super villian, and not some made up villian like nuclear man,

have a proper comic book villian,
set it in the daylight mostly, and have a barnstorming fight scenes!!

this will no doubt bring in the punters and put spiderman and any other superhero fight scenes to shame

comon singer, dont be afraid,

and WB, give him another chance, bring out the bad guys!!
 
I really think that all they had to do for better box office numbers was NOT release the movie only one week before Pirates of the Caribbean. Casual audiences didn't want to go to the movies two weekends in a row, so when forced to choose between one or the other, they chose Pirates (probably thinking that it may be more entertaining for the children and whatnot).
 
LostSon88 said:
5 Things:

1. Watch STAS
2. Watch JLU
3. Read the MODERN Comic Books
4. Talk/consult with the DC artists & writers
5. Apply 1, 2, 3 and 4 to the Sequel.

Nuff' said.

Ditto!!

But, knowing Singer he will continue to ignore the comics and go his own personal route with the sequel. Which basically means another homage to original films. Worst yet, he'll have to work the kid into the story somehow.

As far as villains go; I would have loved to see the beginning of an introduction to Dardseid in SR, so as to setup a looming confrontation in the sequels. An ID4 size invasion being led by Darseid....eh...I'll settle for Braniac I guess. Supes suffers from the same problem that inevitably hurt the Hulk in the comics. Way to powerful. Let's face it, it takes someone on Supes's level to really be a threat.
 
I think the storyline for the sequel will Have Lex kidnapping Lois's child. I hope to god he gets the aid of Super-villain to help him. We don't need to see just another Supes vs. Lex film (twice we've seen it lets not have a 3rd).
 
I'm over the whole feud between Lex and Superman on the screen. While enjoyable, there was no depth in their relationship in "Returns". Also, there was a lack of tension, esp with Lex only having 5 minutes with Superman. I've known that Lex has always been a 'behind the scenes' guy, but hell, Lex barely talked about Superman either.

If Lex comes back, I want real rage. Not in a five minute exposition. And I want Lex to manipulate Brainiac to do his dirty deeds.
 
a good sequel is doomsday pretty much page for page like the comic

doomsday crashes on earth (some distance from metropolis) and slowly makes his way towards town, craving a path through the police/army etc

at the same time there is a sub plot where superman powers are fluctuating from super powerful to weak as a kitten so the first time supes takes on doomsday the audience is aware the battle wont be straight forward, supes goes from seriously beating doomsday to getting weaker and getting his arse kicked and leaves with his tail between his legs
much to the disgust of the american public...

he goes back to the FOS where he goes on a mini quest to find why he isn't operating at full power, this quest involves lois as daddy tells clark is is partly responsible...

we see a flashback of krypton at it's peak, clark and lois have to find out why superman's powers are not right....

all the while doomsday is closing on metropolis...

supes gets to the bottom of his fading power all the while lois is begging him not to take on doomsday as he will almost certainly be killed...

supes takes on day in the CENTER of town for the biggest most brutal fight ever commited to film...

superman dies...

end movie with the funeral and then a cliffhanger of brainiac waiting in the wings to take control of a world without superman.
 
I also feel like that Spider-Man did taint Superman's image as well...at least to the public.

Comic book fans can respect both characters, but a mainstream fan might find Spider-Man's world more exciting.

If you're going to direct a Superman movie, you cannot hold back. For God's sakes, Superman is the first hero out there, go all the way.
 
Having seen SR this is all i would change

1)take all the quirky stuff out of Lex's character and leave the sinister badass that kicked the **** out of supes on NK

2)add a Supervillain and have 5 action sequences spread out over another 2 and half hour movie to balance things more,obviosuly Singer showed with the Plane sequence he could easily craft a stunning smackdown between Supes and a super powered foe:up:
 
spider-neil said:
a good sequel is doomsday pretty much page for page like the comic

doomsday crashes on earth (some distance from metropolis) and slowly makes his way towards town, craving a path through the police/army etc

at the same time there is a sub plot where superman powers are fluctuating from super powerful to weak as a kitten so the first time supes takes on doomsday the audience is aware the battle wont be straight forward, supes goes from seriously beating doomsday to getting weaker and getting his arse kicked and leaves with his tail between his legs
much to the disgust of the american public...

he goes back to the FOS where he goes on a mini quest to find why he isn't operating at full power, this quest involves lois as daddy tells clark is is partly responsible...

we see a flashback of krypton at it's peak, clark and lois have to find out why superman's powers are not right....

all the while doomsday is closing on metropolis...

supes gets to the bottom of his fading power all the while lois is begging him not to take on doomsday as he will almost certainly be killed...

supes takes on day in the CENTER of town for the biggest most brutal fight ever commited to film...

superman dies...

end movie with the funeral and then a cliffhanger of brainiac waiting in the wings to take control of a world without superman.
Maybe they could introduce Doomsday as some sort of spawn of New Krypton?

Seeing the Death of/Return of Superman comic story been brought to the big screen would be amazing.Its pretty epic stuff.:) :up:
 
spider-neil said:
a good sequel is doomsday pretty much page for page like the comic

doomsday crashes on earth (some distance from metropolis) and slowly makes his way towards town, craving a path through the police/army etc

at the same time there is a sub plot where superman powers are fluctuating from super powerful to weak as a kitten so the first time supes takes on doomsday the audience is aware the battle wont be straight forward, supes goes from seriously beating doomsday to getting weaker and getting his arse kicked and leaves with his tail between his legs
much to the disgust of the american public...

he goes back to the FOS where he goes on a mini quest to find why he isn't operating at full power, this quest involves lois as daddy tells clark is is partly responsible...

we see a flashback of krypton at it's peak, clark and lois have to find out why superman's powers are not right....

all the while doomsday is closing on metropolis...

supes gets to the bottom of his fading power all the while lois is begging him not to take on doomsday as he will almost certainly be killed...

supes takes on day in the CENTER of town for the biggest most brutal fight ever commited to film...

superman dies...

end movie with the funeral and then a cliffhanger of brainiac waiting in the wings to take control of a world without superman.

I like the whole fluctuting powers bit, they could call it Superman: Red Sun.

The only part I would take out is the superman dies bit. I would have him tie Doomsday to a rock and launch him into space. Then have Brainiac killing Doomsday in space and him heading for earth.
 
If they do Death of..., they may have to leave out the JLA.
 
I think I can bet we won't see a death and return of Superman storyline in a sequel to Returns. We already had Superman returning from a prolonged absence and then we had a near death experience for Superman as well. I would think they wouldn't want to rehash these type of plot points.

I think the time for that was the 90's and sense it didn't come to fruition then, I would think it wouldn't now.
 
Showtime029 said:
I think I can bet we won't see a death and return of Superman storyline in a sequel to Returns. We already had Superman returning from a prolonged absence and then we had a near death experience for Superman as well. I would think they wouldn't want to rehash these type of plot points.

I think the time for that was the 90's and sense it didn't come to fruition then, I would think it wouldn't now.

I agree although when i looked at NK and it's grey jagged rocky look laced with Krytonite i could see it somehow creating Doomsday
 
basically I want to see superman faced with a threat where HE is the underdog.

a villian he can't defeat by just (sigh...) lifting him

c'mon guys how good was it when the GG gave spidey the kicking of his life, how good was the clock tower train sequence...

the established the doc as a nice guy who loses his way and spidey who is fighting for his love, the fight had more impact because it MEANT something.

superman MUST face a villian as LEAST as powerful as he is and not some made up character either an established superman villian.

heck I wouldn't even mind seeing parasite and have him steal superman's power and go on a crime spree while superman is drained.

almost certainly batman's next villian will be joker (IF!) there is a superman sequel his (supes) villian has to be equally scary.
 
hunter rider said:
I agree although when i looked at NK and it's grey jagged rocky look laced with Krytonite i could see it somehow creating Doomsday

Definately could see Doomsday coming from that rock, but I really hope he doesn't. I would rather see a Bizarro, Metallo, or a Brainiac. Doomsday is just a brainless thug.
 
Showtime029 said:
Definately could see Doomsday coming from that rock, but I really hope he doesn't. I would rather see a Bizarro, Metallo, or a Brainiac. Doomsday is just a brainless thug.

I could see them using Doomsday as A weapon for Lex,he created NK afterall,perhaps there could be some sort of connection where Doomsday see's Lex as his master or something
 
I don't think you guys get it. There is no sequal. That was it. I hope you enjoyed it, 'cause there won't be any more.
 

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