The Amazing Spider-Man 2 What villain would you like to see in Amazing Spider-man 2?

[Spider-Aziz]

Electro could have a star tattoo.

Spoiler

He kinda does in the comics

 

[Scarlettess]

I'm going two ways on this. On one hand I like the idea of Max Dillon being an...intern at Oscorp....or even what if he's Harry's best friend? I like the idea of them bumping into each other, maybe not hitting it off, but the audience can see the similarities between them, gives dimension by making the chracters polar opposites.

Then again I also really like the idea someone else said of Electro already having his powers BEFORE Parker became Spider-Man, and maybe using his powers but not in the masses so he's not that well known until the movie picks up, like maybe something happens that makes him do something big that attracts Spidey's attention, or he's hired to take Spidey down etc.

I think Electro should be young, but NOT as young as Peter, as in probably in his early 20's etc.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Gotta say, this is one bit of news that actually excites me for the sequel. While Shocker was always my first choice as a villain, Electro was my second option and if TAS-M 2 indeed has Electro as the villain, then that would be fantastic, but only if Electro is written very well. I thought Lizard would be a great villain and look how he was written

 

[Shikamaru]

The Lizard was by no means poorly written. He was in fact written pretty well. Could they have written a much better Lizard story? Yes. But the story they went with wasn't bad at all. But we also know a lot of scenes with the Lizard were cut out last minute due to Sony changing their entire plans and outline for the sequel.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The Lizard was by no means poorly written. He was in fact written well. Could they have written a much better Lizard story? Absolutely. But the story they went with wasn't bad at all. But we also know a lot of scenes with the Lizard were cut out last minute due to Sony changing their entire plans and outline for the sequel.

Connors not having known the algorithm from Richard could've been explained as to why Richard never told Connors; Connors not having any development once he becomes Lizard as the second half was about Lizard, not about Lizard AND Connors and the master plan was a bogus master plan; didn't like it and it only fit in the comics and a cartoon.

 

[Venom'sDad]

However they can show his childhood in his origin but leave it up to the audience to compare their childhood and see how they turned out

I wouldn't mind if a teenaged, homeless Max and maybe his mother(or something) was experimented on just before the Parkers left Peter with Uncle Ben, leading to some ethical issues as one reason the Parkers and Oscorps may have been at odds. However, the potential has been there in Max for that period of time, but something more recently trigger Max full-blown ability to produce Electricity....there-by becoming Electro.

 

[Shikamaru]

Connors not having known the algorithm from Richard could've been explained as to why Richard never told Connors; Connors not having any development once he becomes Lizard as the second half was about Lizard, not about Lizard AND Connors and the master plan was a bogus master plan; didn't like it and it only fit in the comics and a cartoon.

You don't need a direct explanation to why Richard never told Connors. We know that it was top secret to the point where he never told anyone and didn't trust anyone with it. "Anyone" as in every human being (his wife doesn't count because she was there with him when he discovered it). Not to mention that it was clear he had no time to stop by Connors and had to leave ASAP, since he immediately packed his bags and dropped Peter off at Uncle Ben's house after finding out some of his studies were stolen and then hurried his wife out of the house as she was saying goodbye to Peter.

Connors and the Lizard are not separate entities meant to be developed separately. They're developed together.

Other than the plan being something taken straight out of the comics (Lizard did that all the time and it's nice we finally got a Spider-Man villain with a plan from the comics), his plan is not bogus. It completely makes sense from his mindset and point of view. The formula affected his mind and made him lose his sanity to the point where he believed it didn't just recreate his arm but that it enhanced everything in his body and brought forth perfection. From that point on, he believed it was his duty to share his "gift" with the rest of the world and make everyone else perfect. He was still the good man he was in the sense that he believed he was doing the right thing but was willing to get rid of anyone that got in his way due to the insanity the formula brought forth. If you think about it, it makes sense from a realistic point of view. A scientist that has been determined to cure people's disabilities his whole life and devoted his whole career to that and then suddenly had his body mutated by a formula which also causes a person to lose his/her sanity would probably react in the same way. The only difference is that this scientist would immediately be stopped by the authorities and wouldn't get anywhere close to fulfilling his/her goal as Connors did.

 

[Mike]

Awesome post. But we covered this numerous times. He just refuses to accept it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You don't need a direct explanation to why Richard never told Connors. We know that it was top secret to the point where he never told anyone and didn't trust anyone with it. "Anyone" as in every human being (his wife doesn't count because she was there with him when he discovered it). Not to mention that it was clear he had no time to stop by Connors and had to leave ASAP, since he immediately packed his bags and dropped Peter off at Uncle Ben's house after finding out some of his studies were stolen and then hurried his wife out of the house as she was saying goodbye to Peter.

Who said he knew about the algorithm right before he and his wife had to leave? Richard had to know the algorithm for some time for having it hidden away, but he just never told Curt at all, and the deleted scene at least hinted at the fact that Richard may have known Curt would've abused the serum as he does in the film, but yet it's only hinted at in a deleted scene that's not in the theatrical cut. Curt Connors could've been a man obsessed with re-growing his arm that we don't see until Peter brings up the algorithm. In everywhere, Curt is always obsessed even before a serum is created, but for the film, no, it's not shown.

Connors and the Lizard are not separate entities meant to be developed separately. They're developed together.

But yet they are separate entities when Connors actually speaks to Lizard in many situations throughout the film, so it would be proposed that they are different identities.

Other than the plan being something taken straight out of the comics (Lizard did that all the time and it's nice we finally got a Spider-Man villain with a plan from the comics), his plan is not bogus. It completely makes sense from his mindset and point of view. The formula affected his mind and made him lose his sanity to the point where he believed it didn't just recreate his arm but that it enhanced everything in his body and brought forth perfection. From that point on, since he believed it was his duty to share his "gift" with the rest of the world and make everyone else perfect. He was still the good man he was in the sense that he believed he was doing the right thing but was willing to get rid of anyone that got in his way due to the insanity the formula brought for. If you think about it, it makes sense from a realistic point of view. A scientist that has been determined to cure people's disabilities his whole life and devoted his whole career to that and then suddenly had his body mutated by a formula which also causes a person to lose his/her sanity would probably react in the same way. The only difference is that this scientist would immediately be stopped by the authorities and wouldn't get anywhere close to fulfilling his/her goal as Connors did.

How is it great to see a comic book plan show up in a film? It's a modern time as well as being in the real world where plans, such as creating a city full of lizard men, feels only like a master plan seen in a B-rated sci-fi film. The serum messed with Connors' mind, yes, but that doesn't give credit to an awful master plan in trying to change everyone into lizard men that wouldn't even last long enough to begin with seeing as how Connors had to take the serum at least three or four times during the duration of the film and that is never mentioned on how the gas cloud could have longer lasting effects.

Awesome post. But we covered this numerous times. He just refuses to accept it.

Ermahgerd, look who's popped up into this thread. Can you not accept that I have differing opinions or what?

 

[Doc Ock]

I dont want Electro to be even remotely related to Peter Parker,not even acquaintances.Isnt it stupid that all the Superheroes popping up in town are somehow related to the only superhero in town?

Indeed, I don't want Max Dillion to be know who Peter, Gwen, Connors, Harry(if he is in the film), etc. is. I want Electro to be a villain attached to no-one. Except I wouldn't mind maybe Norman and some involvement at Oscorp but overall no one.

 

[Jick]

Same here, but don't get your hopes up, guys. Avi Arad still has the mentality that every villain is better if attached to the hero in some way.

 

[Shikamaru]

Who said he knew about the algorithm right before he and his wife had to leave? Richard had to know the algorithm for some time for having it hidden away, but he just never told Curt at all, and the deleted scene at least hinted at the fact that Richard may have known Curt would've abused the serum as he does in the film, but yet it's only hinted at in a deleted scene that's not in the theatrical cut. Curt Connors could've been a man obsessed with re-growing his arm that we don't see until Peter brings up the algorithm. In everywhere, Curt is always obsessed even before a serum is created, but for the film, no, it's not shown.



But yet they are separate entities when Connors actually speaks to Lizard in many situations throughout the film, so it would be proposed that they are different identities.



How is it great to see a comic book plan show up in a film? It's a modern time as well as being in the real world where plans, such as creating a city full of lizard men, feels only like a master plan seen in a B-rated sci-fi film. The serum messed with Connors' mind, yes, but that doesn't give credit to an awful master plan in trying to change everyone into lizard men that wouldn't even last long enough to begin with seeing as how Connors had to take the serum at least three or four times during the duration of the film and that is never mentioned on how the gas cloud could have longer lasting effects.

By deleted scene, I'm assuming you're either talking about the "If you want the truth about your parents, Peter, come and get it" scene or the "Ready to play God? Do you have any idea what you really are?" scene. The first scene I brought up in no way suggests Connors knows about the formula. The truth that Peter is searching for is why his parents just left him without any explanation whatsoever and why they died. Connors definitely knows something about that, since it's heavily implied in his scene with Dr. Ratha and in the after-credits scene, but that doesn't mean he knows Richard came up with that formula before he left and died. He would have no way of knowing that since Richard kept it secret from everyone. The second scene also doesn't necessarily mean Connors may know Richard had the formula. "Ready to play God?" can be something he says to Ratha or Peter before he tests the serum/knows someone who is about to test the serum (in the case with Ratha) on other people. "Do you have any idea what you really are?" can be a line he says to Peter where he implies that much like himself, Peter is "perfection" due to his mutated DNA that enhanced his physical abilities.

You answer your own question. Richard didn't tell Curt because, well, he didn't tell Curt. He kept it a secret from everyone because he didn't trust anyone with it. Anyone means anyone. Arguing he would've told his best friend/closest science partner is bogus. We all have or had secrets that we kept from everyone, including from our best friends and family members.

Curt was determined to fix his arm from the beginning. He talks about ways of regrowing it before Peter brings him the formula and we also know from his first conversation with Ratha that it's something he's been working on for a long time. Also considering how in his first scene in the movie he tells his students he has a very radical way of regrowing his arm which involves injecting himself with cross-species genetics (before he even knew Richard's formula existed btw), I would say all that shows he's been obsessed and determined to regrow his arm for a while now.

He "speaks" to the Lizard in only one scene and the conversation doesn't last too long either. I would argue it's more of a conscience he is talking to briefly otherwise we would've seen several more hints of an alternate personality throughout the movie. But even if it was a split personality (which I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest), they would still be developed as one. If a Batman movie with Two-Face as one of the villains came out tomorrow, most people wouldn't complain that Harvey Dent is underdeveloped in a Batman movie in which his "dark side" is in full control in most of Two-Face's scenes.

Like I said, the plan is not that dated or far out there when you look at it from a realistic point of view but even if it was, why would that be bad? What would be wrong with having a comic booky plot? Loki's master plan was very comic booky and "B-rated" but that didn't take away from the movie. As for the duration of the serum, that is addressed in his notes. He himself even says increasing the dosage will make the serum last longer.

 

[Doc Ock]

Same here, but don't get your hopes up, guys. Avi Arad still has the mentality that every villain is better if attached to the hero in some way.

Darn Avi Arad! I blame him for the whole fiasco of Spidey 3...especially the Venom stuff.

 

[AF3619]

when will he retire?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Same here, but don't get your hopes up, guys. Avi Arad still has the mentality that every villain is better if attached to the hero in some way.

I always assumed it was Raimi who was the one who wanted every villain to be connected to Peter Parker.

By deleted scene, I'm assuming you're either talking about the "If you want the truth about your parents, Peter, come and get it" scene or the "Ready to play God? Do you have any idea what you really are?" scene. The first scene I brought up in no way suggests Connors knows about the formula. The truth that Peter is searching for is why his parents just left him without any explanation whatsoever and why they died. Connors definitely knows something about that, since it's heavily implied in his scene with Dr. Ratha and in the after-credits scene, but that doesn't mean he knows Richard came up with that formula before he left and died. He would have no way of knowing that since Richard kept it secret from everyone. The second scene also doesn't necessarily mean Connors may know Richard had the formula. "Ready to play God?" can be something he says to Ratha or Peter before he tests the serum/knows someone who is about to test the serum (in the case with Ratha) on other people. "Do you have any idea what you really are?" can be a line he says to Peter where he implies that much like himself, Peter is "perfection" due to his mutated DNA that enhanced his physical abilities.

I am referring to the deleted scene that's been on YouTube for the past couple of days. Curt drops a hint that Richard kept the algorithm away from him.

You answer your own question. Richard didn't tell Curt because, well, he didn't tell Curt. He kept it a secret from everyone because he didn't trust anyone with it. Anyone means anyone. Arguing he would've told his best friend/closest science partner is bogus. We all have or had secrets that we kept from everyone, including from our best friends and family members.

But the question is, why keep it away from his lab partner? I think there was much more that can be explained rather than just keeping it away from everybody. Curt wasn't, at first, as someone that was corruptible as much as someone like Ratha or possibly even Osborn and there should've been something to tell the audience why Richard didn't give Connors that secret.

Curt was determined to fix his arm from the beginning. He talks about ways of regrowing it before Peter brings him the formula and we also know from his first conversation with Ratha that it's something he's been working on for a long time. Also considering how in his first scene in the movie he tells his students he has a very radical way of regrowing his arm which involves injecting himself with cross-species genetics (before he even knew Richard's formula existed btw), I would say all that shows he's been obsessed and determined to regrow his arm for a while now.

Madly obsessed? No, that's not really shown until he finds the algorithm equation. At first Curt is just seen as a focused scientist trying to find a cure for himself as well as others with the same, or close to the same, problems as he suffers.

He "speaks" to the Lizard in only one scene and the conversation doesn't last too long either. I would argue it's more of a conscience he is talking to briefly otherwise we would've seen several more hints of an alternate personality throughout the movie. But even if it was a split personality (which I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest), they would still be developed as one. If a Batman movie with Two-Face as one of the villains came out tomorrow, most people wouldn't complain that Harvey Dent is underdeveloped in a Batman movie in which his "dark side" is in full control in most of Two-Face's scenes.

Maybe people would complain, maybe people wouldn't, but with this situation, I am saying it felt like a Lizard vs Spidey film in the second half whereas Connors seemed useless, using Connors through the filmed seemed useless and it seemed like Webb just wanted to use Lizard to drive the rest of the film when Connors could have perfectly been handled more properly, but only the alter ego side of Lizard was focused on.

Like I said, the plan is not that dated or far out there when you look at it from a realistic point of view but even if it was, why would that be bad? What would be wrong with having a comic booky plot? Loki's master plan was very comic booky and "B-rated" but that didn't take away from the movie. As for the duration of the serum, that is addressed in his notes. He himself even says increasing the dosage will make the serum last longer.

The notes still doesn't make any sense when dealing with turning the entire city as lizards, keeping them as lizards, while only using a canister that doesn't look like it holds that much serum to keep everyone in "lizard mode" forever. I'm sorry, but the final plan just doesn't make any sense and feels way more "B-rated" than Loki leading an alien army into New York City. At least we've seen countless of aliens invading the world compared to a mad scientist trying to turn people into creatures and the latter sounds way more far fetched and way more "B-rated" than the former.

 

[Anno_Domini]

when will he retire?

Never

 

[AF3619]

Never

but he is still responsable for good things from TASM and Raimi trilogy right?

 

[Wadaltmon]

I heard they are considering Electro, but does anyone want to see him like the original comics? I don't think the rubber catsuit thing would work on-screen...

 

[Shikamaru]

I am referring to the deleted scene that's been on YouTube for the past couple of days. Curt drops a hint that Richard kept the algorithm away from him.

Just searched it up and watched it. I don't see how that's a hint Richard kept the serum away from him. All he says is that Richard knew Connors felt incomplete and didn't trust him due to that. But from what we know, Connors didn't even know Richard had the formula developed at that time or if Richard even had it developed at that time. Connors could've been talking about Richard's research up until that point or at least the research Connors thought Richard had at that point. Remember that he just accepted that Peter came up with the formula when Peter showed it to him for the first time and took credit for it. Connors didn't ask any questions like "Are you lying? Is this from Richard?"

But the question is, why keep it away from his lab partner? I think there was much more that can be explained rather than just keeping it away from everybody. Curt wasn't, at first, as someone that was corruptible as much as someone like Ratha or possibly even Osborn and there should've been something to tell the audience why Richard didn't give Connors that secret.

It doesn't matter if Curt wasn't as corruptible as Ratha or Osborn. That doesn't mean Richard would trust him. Like I said, I have secrets that I don't even trust my best friends and my closest family members with. Does this mean that I don't love my family or that I don't get along with my best friends? No. If Richard felt no one should have the formula, then no one should have the formula. In fact, Connors himself is proof that Richard shouldn't have given his formula to even a good trustworthy man like him. Look what happened.

Why does it have to be so complicated? Richard doesn't want anyone to have the formula because he doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else having his formula, including his lab partner. I don't see why Richard intentionally keeping it away from Connors is such an unlikely thing.

And like I said, we don't even know if Richard had time to even inform Connors about the formula. He could've discovered it shortly before leaving.

Madly obsessed? No, that's not really shown until he finds the algorithm equation. At first Curt is just seen as a focused scientist trying to find a cure for himself as well as others with the same, or close to the same, problems as he suffers.

What exactly are you expecting? Are you expecting a Victor Frankenstein-like scientist who lives in a creepy castle with no contact from the outside world, always looks tired and with messed up hair due to no rest, and literally works 24/7? Showing him as a hardworking man was enough IMO. We know it's something he has been researching and studying very hard for many years (for at least over a decade, since he worked with Richard 10 years prior to the story). When he discovers the formula, he doesn't become more obsessed but more excited and fascinated because he believes the formula took him more closer than ever to a serum that would restore his arm (which it did). Prior to that, he had no idea how long it would take until he would discover something. It could have been anywhere from 1 year to 10 years (this doesn't mean he was any less motivated to develop a serum or that he didn't work as hard).

Maybe people would complain, maybe people wouldn't, but with this situation, I am saying it felt like a Lizard vs Spidey film in the second half whereas Connors seemed useless, using Connors through the filmed seemed useless and it seemed like Webb just wanted to use Lizard to drive the rest of the film when Connors could have perfectly been handled more properly, but only the alter ego side of Lizard was focused on.

Isn't that like complaining Harvey Dent is useless in Batman's battles with Two-Face? Or hell, isn't that like saying that Connors is useless in Spider-Man's battles with the Lizard sometimes in the comics? There are a lot of stories where Connors has zero control over the Lizard's personality. There are also many stories where similar characters turn into uncontrollable monsters and the same thing occurs until they're changed but it's not a problem. Bruce Banner also becomes useless in the third act of Avengers once he transforms into the Hulk. I consider Bruce Banner and Connors to not be developed separately from their counterparts. They get developed together in my book and in this film's particular case, I don't have a problem with the final fight just being a Spidey vs. Lizard fight.

The notes still doesn't make any sense when dealing with turning the entire city as lizards, keeping them as lizards, while only using a canister that doesn't look like it holds that much serum to keep everyone in "lizard mode" forever. I'm sorry, but the final plan just doesn't make any sense and feels way more "B-rated" than Loki leading an alien army into New York City. At least we've seen countless of aliens invading the world compared to a mad scientist trying to turn people into creatures and the latter sounds way more far fetched and way more "B-rated" than the former.

At that point, it was just the island of Manhattan affected by the serum. As you saw in the movie, there was plenty of that gas in the canister (which was a hell of a lot bigger than the injections Connors would take) to create a cloud that spread over the entire island or Manhattan or at least most of Manhattan (can't remember). No, it probably won't keep everyone in lizard mode forever but definitely a hell of a lot longer than the time it kept Connors in lizard mode. I'm assuming that if Connors' plan would've worked, a month or several months later when the serum was about to ran out, he would've just refilled the big canister and redo the procedure but this time no one would stop him because everyone would've been a lizard and, at least according to what he believed, no one would've tried to stop him because everyone would realize they've reached perfection. The final plan definitely makes sense.

Also whether you agree with the idea that the Lizard's master plan cannot be translated well onto the big screen or not, you can't say the plan doesn't make sense and then say the comics did it great. If his plan to turn everyone into a lizard in the movie doesn't make sense, then why would it make sense in the comics too? The only difference between movies and comics is that they're different mediums. You can tell a story in the same way in both mediums (a few changes here and there for adaptation purposes but most of the story would stay intact). Going by your logic, a lot of Lizard stories are flawed and the Lizard himself is partly flawed in the comics to begin with.

 

[ericadawn16]

I'd like to see Mr. Zodiac on the big screen. I have fond memories of that story.

 

[Anno_Domini]

but he is still responsable for good things from TASM and Raimi trilogy right?

Agreed, Arad is responsible in some areas with Raimi's trilogy and TAS-M. It's good and bad when it comes to Avi Arad, and the ironic thing is all of those bad areas had to do with Spidey mostly, and not any other Marvel property that he's produced. Perhaps while he says he understands the character(Spider-Man), majority of the time he really doesn't.

Just searched it up and watched it. I don't see how that's a hint Richard kept the serum away from him. All he says is that Richard knew Connors felt incomplete and didn't trust him due to that. But from what we know, Connors didn't even know Richard had the formula developed at that time or if Richard even had it developed at that time. Connors could've been talking about Richard's research up until that point or at least the research Connors thought Richard had at that point. Remember that he just accepted that Peter came up with the formula when Peter showed it to him for the first time and took credit for it. Connors didn't ask any questions like "Are you lying? Is this from Richard?"

Then Connors may have thought Richard was keeping any research away from Connors knowing how Curt could have abused this power which, imo, would've been a great plot point in showing Connors' lab partner believing he would abuse any power instead of re-growing his arm as it showed that Connors did in fact become power hungry. I just find certain areas that could've been explored that we didn't get in the film.

It doesn't matter if Curt wasn't as corruptible as Ratha or Osborn. That doesn't mean Richard would trust him. Like I said, I have secrets that I don't even trust my best friends and my closest family members with. Does this mean that I don't love my family or that I don't get along with my best friends? No. If Richard felt no one should have the formula, then no one should have the formula. In fact, Connors himself is proof that Richard shouldn't have given his formula to even a good trustworthy man like him. Look what happened.

But when two people are working on one goal, you'd think such information would be shared; that's very different from keeping secrets from family or friends. Richard and Curt were lab partners working on one job; to hide anything from one or another shows that there is some mistrust between these two co-workers that could have been explored.

Why does it have to be so complicated? Richard doesn't want anyone to have the formula because he doesn't feel comfortable with anyone else having his formula, including his lab partner. I don't see why Richard intentionally keeping it away from Connors is such an unlikely thing.

Because as I said...there had to be a reason to keep the algorithm out of the hands of his lab partner. There wasn't a reason, but there really should be. It's not very realistic to say a co-worker will keep something so important away from the other just for no reason. Richard obviously was keeping this away and it should've ben explored why Richard didn't trust Connors. Yes, we see what happened once Connors found out, but some backstory as to Richard knowing how Connors would be power hungry would have been nice to witness.

And like I said, we don't even know if Richard had time to even inform Connors about the formula. He could've discovered it shortly before leaving.

That's a huge assumption, don't you think? Saying Richard discovered it right before he had to leave.

What exactly are you expecting? Are you expecting a Victor Frankenstein-like scientist who lives in a creepy castle with no contact from the outside world, always looks tired and with messed up hair due to no rest, and literally works 24/7? Showing him as a hardworking man was enough IMO. We know it's something he has been researching and studying very hard for many years (for at least over a decade, since he worked with Richard 10 years prior to the story). When he discovers the formula, he doesn't become more obsessed but more excited and fascinated because he believes the formula took him more closer than ever to a serum that would restore his arm (which it did). Prior to that, he had no idea how long it would take until he would discover something. It could have been anywhere from 1 year to 10 years (this doesn't mean he was any less motivated to develop a serum or that he didn't work as hard).

Very odd choice, but no, I did not expect something like that, but at least showing us how physically and mentally demanding it was being obsessed with a cure and that was never showed. We just got a mild-mannered scientist that was only focused and then he quickly, leaps and bounds, changed his demeanor. Before he knew the algorithm, we never saw a Curt Connors that tried anything to perfect his algorithm, only talk, but not enough show.

Isn't that like complaining Harvey Dent is useless in Batman's battles with Two-Face? Or hell, isn't that like saying that Connors is useless in Spider-Man's battles with the Lizard sometimes in the comics? There are a lot of stories where Connors has zero control over the Lizard's personality. There are also many stories where similar characters turn into uncontrollable monsters and the same thing occurs until they're changed but it's not a problem. Bruce Banner also becomes useless in the third act of Avengers once he transforms into the Hulk. I consider Bruce Banner and Connors to not be developed separately from their counterparts. They get developed together in my book and in this film's particular case, I don't have a problem with the final fight just being a Spidey vs. Lizard fight.

Not once did I mention Connors should be "there" during a Lizard v Spidey fight, but something to further along Connor's psyche and development, maybe trying to actually fight his Lizard side, then it just being Lizard driving the rest of the film as soon as Connors took the serum.

At that point, it was just the island of Manhattan affected by the serum. As you saw in the movie, there was plenty of that gas in the canister (which was a hell of a lot bigger than the injections Connors would take) to create a cloud that spread over the entire island or Manhattan or at least most of Manhattan (can't remember). No, it probably won't keep everyone in lizard mode forever but definitely a hell of a lot longer than the time it kept Connors in lizard mode. I'm assuming that if Connors' plan would've worked, a month or several months later when the serum was about to ran out, he would've just refilled the big canister and redo the procedure but this time no one would stop him because everyone would've been a lizard and, at least according to what he believed, no one would've tried to stop him because everyone would realize they've reached perfection. The final plan definitely makes sense.

The final plan even makes less sense now since you just brought up Lizard re-filling the canister after a couple or so months. That seems like a quite tiring plan and not so much as a master plan than as a plan just "for the now" to keep trying to make a paradise that'll never be perfect with keeping the citizens of NY as giant lizard men and women. With that knowledge, it's even more a comic book-y idea that Lizard would have to re-fill canisters every now and then.

Also whether you agree with the idea that the Lizard's master plan cannot be translated well onto the big screen or not, you can't say the plan doesn't make sense and then say the comics did it great. If his plan to turn everyone into a lizard in the movie doesn't make sense, then why would it make sense in the comics too? The only difference between movies and comics is that they're different mediums. You can tell a story in the same way in both mediums (a few changes here and there for adaptation purposes but most of the story would stay intact). Going by your logic, a lot of Lizard stories are flawed and the Lizard himself is partly flawed in the comics to begin with.

Why would it make sense in the comics? Because it's science fiction that was started back in the 1960s and have only become sillier since then where you have to just read it and shrug your shoulders, because it's only a silly piece of fiction whereas in a movie, where you strive to be a little more grounded and real, as Webb even mentioned where he took a very science fiction vibe with Lizard's master plan that just shoots down the "grounded" talk Webb wanted for the first installment of his trilogy.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I'm watching POWDER and something just crossed my mind, his control over electricity both conscious and unconscious (like a curse) is what Maxwell Dillon's abilities should be like.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Imagine just a scene where Maxwell is sleeping and his powers are shown. That would actually be freaking cool.

 

[AF3619]

Imagine just a scene where Maxwell is sleeping and his powers are shown. That would actually be freaking cool.

what if he burned accidentally someone really bad and then he considers himself a monster ,different ,so he starts thinking like he is a superior species and believes himself some kind of god

 

[Ultimatehero]

I'd think more of a Frankenstein to monster approach. The electricity changes him and due to his abilities people become afraid of him and this fear gets to his head so he becomes what everyone sees him as - some kind of monster. If the BUGLE is involved they could play off Spider-Man being seen as a menace and aunt may fearing for Peter's life due to the monster Spiderman. Peter doesn't let it get to him, Maxwell does. Also note how they both got their abilities from a freak accident. Basically showing how strong Peter is on the inside.