The Amazing Spider-Man 2 What villain would you like to see in Amazing Spider-man 2?

[Spiderdevil]

And....the deleted sewer scene changes A LOT from the theatrical cut we see. It takes away the conclusion to Dr. Ratha who was not just some throw away character and we had a much better explanation of Lizard's final plan as well as something to look better on screen on how exactly Lizard showed up in the streets besides us seeing just his head popping up on the screen and getting shot.

And how can you say Arad had it cut off? My theory about censor boards is more believable since the Bathroom scene was cut off simultaneously aswell.It makes no sense to have it cut off apart from the censor thingy

Avi Arad should get way more blame. It's not silly to think Sam Raimi couldn't write Venom correctly because he wasn't a fan of the character and even with the Uncle Ben retcon, I assure you people would have still appreciated Spider-Man 3 more if it had Raimi's original idea.

There were a hundred other things wrong with SM3,Raimi takes the blame for all of them

And I think you're giving Arad too much credit without knowing what he's really done to the character of Spider-Man. Everyone else on this thread has.

He has made 4 movies which have grossed a combined 4 Billion adjusted,thats what he has done

I guess thats no big deal

Highly disagree, but believe what you want.

What???!!!
I mentioned the movies,do you find any of them a better financial or critical success than any of the Spider-man movies?
I am not stating an opinion,its a fact.He has better record with Spider-man movies,his other marvel movies(Barring some like X1,X2 and Iron Man) have been rubbish

 

[Spiderdevil]

I can't wait till Marc Webb gets tired of the bs from Arad and we get an X3 or a second reboot and everyone realizes the reboot was done for reasons of control in the first place. I mean come on.

Has there been ANY single report that Arad has been trying to control Webb?
Stop talking BS

Now that we have the reboot he hires a no one body director whos done one major release and a bunch of music videos...

You have no idea at all
They hired Marc Webb after seeing his work in 500 Days of Summer
Since they wanted a Character Oriented Spider-man movie,they figured he was the ideal choice

Regardless of if it turned out well or not, the reboot was done so Avi could have more control and if anyone thinks this franchize is going to go on more than 3 films or Webb will get more control is just being naive, its going to end up just like Raimis once Webb grows some balls.

Once again,How did you get to that conclusion?
How can you speculate that he wanted control? There is no reason to believe that
He had no involvement in TASM like he had with SM3,its crystal clear.
The movie was always mediocre,its time we admit that instead of Blaming it on Arad without any logic

 

[DyeLorean]

Pun intended? t:

Looks like it
Good pun

Double pun

 

[Anno_Domini]

No one will agree with you, everyone has some kind of stupid reason for thinking that the scene was cut for the the movies sake.

Oh, I know this. People believing TAS-M was perfectly and completely fine or that rather important scenes would be unnecessary, lol.

Pun intended? t:

And how can you say Arad had it cut off? My theory about censor boards is more believable since the Bathroom scene was cut off simultaneously aswell.It makes no sense to have it cut off apart from the censor thingy

Your theory is baloney since nothing was real bad with the sewer scene. No "chewing" sound as in the girl's bathroom. Just a mouth going after Dr. Ratha. If that's bad, then I don't know why Doc Ock's tentacles wreaking havoc inside a hospital stayed in Spider-Man 2's theatrical cut.

There were a hundred other things wrong with SM3,Raimi takes the blame for all of them

Hah, okay.

Too bad you are mistaken.

He has made 4 movies which have grossed a combined 4 Billion adjusted,thats what he has done

I guess thats no big deal

So anyone who's grossed a movie that has reached a million is considered a great figure in the "movie-making" business? Well, hell, let's stop talking about Michael Bay then. He should be a God among men just as much as Avi Arad

What???!!!
I mentioned the movies,do you find any of them a better financial or critical success than any of the Spider-man movies?
I am not stating an opinion,its a fact.He has better record with Spider-man movies,his other marvel movies(Barring some like X1,X2 and Iron Man) have been rubbish

Do you know what made those films? The directing and the writing. Certain bad decisions CAN be fixed around a film that it's still a great movie, but you're blind to not see how certain fixtures weren't needed.

 

[Mike]

Some mofos always trying to ice skate up hill. What is there to prove when it comes to preference.lol

 

[Anno_Domini]

Next time, try to bring something to the table?

 

[Mike]

You corny....

 

[LegendAssemble]

Has there been ANY single report that Arad has been trying to control Webb?
Stop talking BS

You don't need reports. This is the first picture, it's partly trouble shooting and it's a given the studio makes most of the calls. Theres no talking BS its just being informed.

You have no idea at all
They hired Marc Webb after seeing his work in 500 Days of Summer
Since they wanted a Character Oriented Spider-man movie,they figured he was the ideal choice

Okay because that no body that made one movie under a subdivision of 20th Century Fox is just the best character director in Hollywood. Makes sense.

Once again,How did you get to that conclusion?
How can you speculate that he wanted control? There is no reason to believe that
He had no involvement in TASM like he had with SM3,its crystal clear.
The movie was always mediocre,its time we admit that instead of Blaming it on Arad without any logic

I already explained this too. If you look at the production and the fact he chose someone with next to no experience who really can't argue with him the way Sam was able too makes it pretty clear. The movie was mediocre but that damn scene Avi cut out would have at least resolved the plot holes.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You're corny....

Much better and fixed

 

[Spiderdevil]

Your theory is baloney since nothing was real bad with the sewer scene. No "chewing" sound as in the girl's bathroom. Just a mouth going after Dr. Ratha. If that's bad, then I don't know why Doc Ock's tentacles wreaking havoc inside a hospital stayed in Spider-Man 2's theatrical cut.

Probably we didnt see the full scene
What happened after that?They wont cut it right there and then show scene of him appearing in front of the SWAT would they
The main point was about Arad,there is nothing to prove he had that scene removed,I mean why would he?

So anyone who's grossed a movie that has reached a million is considered a great figure in the "movie-making" business? Well, hell, let's stop talking about Michael Bay then. He should be a God among men just as much as Avi Arad

And ofcourse the critical reception the all the Spider-Man films is the same as that of Bayformers? :|

Do you know what made those films? The directing and the writing. Certain bad decisions CAN be fixed around a film that it's still a great movie, but you're blind to not see how certain fixtures weren't needed.

I only disproved your theory that everything bad Arad did was with Spidey
On the Contrary,His record is best with Spider-man films and his other Marvel films have been mostly ****

 

[Spiderdevil]

You don't need reports. This is the first picture, it's partly trouble shooting and it's a given the studio makes most of the calls. Theres no talking BS its just being informed.

How is it a given?

Okay because that no body that made one movie under a subdivision of 20th Century Fox is just the best character director in Hollywood. Makes sense.

Nolan had just 2 major films under his belt when he was hired for Batman Begins
Maybe WB were wanting control aswell

I already explained this too. If you look at the production and the fact he chose someone with next to no experience who really can't argue with him the way Sam was able too makes it pretty clear. The movie was mediocre but that damn scene Avi cut out would have at least resolved the plot holes.

And what makes you think Arad had it cut out?
What would he stand to gain by removing that scene? Think logically instead of blaming him senselessly

 

[Anno_Domini]

Probably we didnt see the full scene

Now you're trying to add something that isn't there to your point.

What happened after that?They wont cut it right there and then show scene of him appearing in front of the SWAT would they

Lizard's mouth roams over Dr. Ratha, black screen. I could see it and it adds a horror element, which is to tease and never to show.

Then Lizard pops up on the street carrying his gas where the SWAT teams starts to shoot then jumping over to Spidey making a frantic call to Gwen Stacy. And if you want to ask "Well how come Lizard didn't try to kill Spidey. A perfect way for it to happen and there could have been more to the sewer scene where Lizard tries to kill Spidey". Lizard could, but he didn't really try to kill Peter at the school either, so if we saw Lizard not killing him once, it wouldn't be surprising to not see Lizard try to kill him again.

It all works more clearly than what we got in the theatrical cut and by no means would it call for the scene to be taken out due to any censor board. That's just ridiculous.

The main point was about Arad,there is nothing to prove he had that scene removed,I mean why would he?

He's done this before with Spider-Man? You have Avi Arad, Marc Webb or the "censor board". The last two doesn't seem like very strong suggestions if you ask me.

And ofcourse the critical reception the all the Spider-Man films is the same as that of Bayformers? :|

Ahh, you miss my point. Deja vu.

Avi Arad deserves the flack he gets and it doesn't matter how much money the films he produces makes. If we should only care about how much a film makes and not any mistakes, then we should just be kissing Michael Bay's feet like he's Jesus Christ.

I only disproved your theory that everything bad Arad did was with Spidey
On the Contrary,His record is best with Spider-man films and his other Marvel films have been mostly ****

You didn't disprove anything, really. I don't need to look over at films that I don't care about simply because they can be **** for all I care, but for someone who seems to love a character, he does not know how to show it by ****ing certain elements of said character up.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Wait is some really suggesting the censor board? So the Lord of the Rings can have decapitated heads flying at a city as projectiles but AMS can't had an ominous bite? It's not like he ate Dr.Ratha for sure, he could have just bit him really badly. There are WAY worse things in PG-13 movies than that, I wouldn't call that a more likely reason by any means.

 

[LegendAssemble]

How is it a given?

It's the first go around, blockbusters are far from cheap studios are investing a great deal of money in them. They hold the production crews hand more the first film just to make sure something profitable comes out. If the films a success they usually allow the director more room in the next installment, since it's clear he knows what he's doing. Look at Batman/Batman Returns, Batman Begins/The Dark Knight, Spider-Man/Spider-Man 2. Even non superhero movies usually have this rule of thumb too.

Nolan had just 2 major films under his belt when he was hired for Batman Begins
Maybe WB were wanting control aswell

Two is more than one. Not to mention his films were distributed on a larger scale than 500 Days of Summer, which was distributed by Fox searchlight rather than the 20th Century Fox label. Not to mention Nolan was more limited with Begins than he was on TDK or Rises. Most of the project had been planned out before he got there including the idea to make it and origin story and to use the Scarecrow as the villain. He just gave it his touch and was given a rewrite. Further supporting my point earlier about the studio having more control the first go round.

And what makes you think Arad had it cut out?
What would he stand to gain by removing that scene? Think logically instead of blaming him senselessly

I just logically explained that if it looks like a dog, barks like a dog, then it's probably a dog. There are several things Arad stood gain from cutting the scene.

1- Dr.Ratha hints at Peter being unique and a part of Richards research, the fan speculation surrounding this was poor before the films release. If you look at Arad he really takes into consideration what the fan base has to say. He could have decided he wanted the sequels not to go in that direction with his parents cut the scene.

2- Dr.Ratha is played by a popular bollywood star and his character dies. Before the movie was released there were reports about the hype in india a hard to tap market and the projected high international gross. Many sources citing Khan, the actor who plays Ratha, as the source of the buzz. If this guy is going generate a marker the movie otherwise would not have, killing him off is not fiscally the smartest move.

I don't know why you're trying to defend him so badly. It's completely in character for him.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Now you're trying to add something that isn't there to your point.
Lizard's mouth roams over Dr. Ratha, black screen. I could see it and it adds a horror element, which is to tease and never to show.

Then Lizard pops up on the street carrying his gas where the SWAT teams starts to shoot then jumping over to Spidey making a frantic call to Gwen Stacy. And if you want to ask "Well how come Lizard didn't try to kill Spidey. A perfect way for it to happen and there could have been more to the sewer scene where Lizard tries to kill Spidey". Lizard could, but he didn't really try to kill Peter at the school either, so if we saw Lizard not killing him once, it wouldn't be surprising to not see Lizard try to kill him again.

No no,he had every motivation to kill Peter.Which is why he visited the school in the first place,to have him removed so that he wont interfere in his plans anymore
Even in the sewer he wanted to kill him(You stopped me once,you wont stop me again)
Plus your version is not into sync,the screen goes black and he pops up in the street?? Thats a major continuity hole right there,he leaves Peter lying there in the sewer? The Audience will have a hard time swallowing that

The Horror effect makes sense but it would have been perfect had there been no 3rd person(Peter Parker in this case) and just the Lizard finishing off Ratha

It all works more clearly than what we got in the theatrical cut and by no means would it call for the scene to be taken out due to any censor board. That's just ridiculous.

And what motive would Arad have to remove it?What does he stand to gain? Better still What does anyone stand to gain from removing the scene? Especially after undergoing the effort to film it and finish and touch up the CGI perfectly
The censor thingy is the only logical explanation

He's done this before with Spider-Man? You have Avi Arad, Marc Webb or the "censor board". The last two doesn't seem like very strong suggestions if you ask me.

When has he done that before? I dont recall him asking to remove a scene from any of the Raimi movies.
Okay he forced in Venom in SM3 but that made sense from his perspective.He was probably a Venom fan and he knew venom would bringing in more money and thus he convinced Raimi to introduce Venom
What would he gain from removing a 3 minute scene?

Avi Arad deserves the flack he gets and it doesn't matter how much money the films he produces makes. If we should only care about how much a film makes and not any mistakes, then we should just be kissing Michael Bay's feet like he's Jesus Christ.

And he deserves a whole lot of credit aswell which he is never given
I mean a studio like Marvel has what? 2 well received movies(IM1 and TA) and 3 averagely received(Thor,CapAm and IM2) and people consider it the holy grail
Arad's Spidey has made the same amount of money with 4 movies what Marvel has made with 6.Average reception has been the same if not better
I dont see why he shouldnt be given credit

You didn't disprove anything, really. I don't need to look over at films that I don't care about simply because they can be **** for all I care, but for someone who seems to love a character, he does not know how to show it by ****ing certain elements of said character up.

So on one hand he doesnt give his ideas in the other movies and they turn out worthless and on the other hand he gives his ideas and involves himself in 4 Spider-man movies and all turn out financial success,2 very well received,one moderately received and one receiving mixed reviews

I know what I prefer

 

[Spiderdevil]

It's the first go around, blockbusters are far from cheap studios are investing a great deal of money in them. They hold the production crews hand more the first film just to make sure something profitable comes out. If the films a success they usually allow the director more room in the next installment, since it's clear he knows what he's doing. Look at Batman/Batman Returns, Batman Begins/The Dark Knight, Spider-Man/Spider-Man 2. Even non superhero movies usually have this rule of thumb too.

So did they anything wrong?
Since every studio does it?

Two is more than one.

Yes but both are very less and show an inexperienced director

Not to mention his films were distributed on a larger scale than 500 Days of Summer, which was distributed by Fox searchlight rather than the 20th Century Fox label. Not to mention Nolan was more limited with Begins than he was on TDK or Rises. Most of the project had been planned out before he got there including the idea to make it and origin story and to use the Scarecrow as the villain. He just gave it his touch and was given a rewrite. Further supporting my point earlier about the studio having more control the first go round.

Yes but 500 days was a better financial success than Memento and Insomnia.All 3 were well received though.
So if you blame Sony for hiring a rookie director because they wanted control,I could say the same for WB

1- Dr.Ratha hints at Peter being unique and a part of Richards research, the fan speculation surrounding this was poor before the films release. If you look at Arad he really takes into consideration what the fan base has to say. He could have decided he wanted the sequels not to go in that direction with his parents cut the scene.

When does he hint that?
Nothing in that scene hints strongly at a changed origin

2- Dr.Ratha is played by a popular bollywood star and his character dies. Before the movie was released there were reports about the hype in india a hard to tap market and the projected high international gross. Many sources citing Khan, the actor who plays Ratha, as the source of the buzz. If this guy is going generate a marker the movie otherwise would not have, killing him off is not fiscally the smartest move.

Hahahaha,You have no idea
I am an Indian myself and the Indian public was absolutely furious at the minuscle role he got,they care more about the amount of time he gets than if he lives or dies
First there were false reports of him playing a Villian(Van Adder) and people here were thrilled,then they were proved false and it seemed as if he still had a major role though not of that of a Villian,it was fair.Then we got to see him appearing in What? maybe 3-4 minutes of time? It would have been much better to see that scene instead of being 'Happy' that he is alive

I don't know why you're trying to defend him so badly. It's completely in character for him.

I am against blaming something on someone with any logic or source whatsoever

 

[Anno_Domini]

No no,he had every motivation to kill Peter.Which is why he visited the school in the first place,to have him removed so that he wont interfere in his plans anymore
Even in the sewer he wanted to kill him(You stopped me once,you wont stop me again)
Plus your version is not into sync,the screen goes black and he pops up in the street?? Thats a major continuity hole right there,he leaves Peter lying there in the sewer? The Audience will have a hard time swallowing that

And yet...Lizard DIDN'T kill Peter at the school. Spidey didn't fool Lizard once either. Lizard knocked him out and could've killed him, but Lizard obviously has much bigger plans to deal with. I knew you were going to bring this up, so why not bring it up myself

And the audience should've had a much harder time to swallow that Lizard went to the high school to kill Peter and didn't....and that Lizard magically showed up once again wearing a nice clean white lab coat without that sewer scene being in the cut

It's WAY more in sync than what we see in the theatrical cut.

The Horror effect makes sense but it would have been perfect had there been no 3rd person(Peter Parker in this case) and just the Lizard finishing off Ratha

Hrm, okay. Whatever you'd like to see, but this isn't what we're talking about.

And what motive would Arad have to remove it?What does he stand to gain? Better still What does anyone stand to gain from removing the scene? Especially after undergoing the effort to film it and finish and touch up the CGI perfectly
The censor thingy is the only logical explanation

To shave off time? What motive would Arad have to remove many other scenes with much more quality with Spider-Man 3?

The censor board is the most dumbfounding logic. We can get screaming and nails jarring at the floors in Spider-Man 2, but we can't see a giant lizard looking like he's going to eat someone? Nonsense.

When has he done that before? I dont recall him asking to remove a scene from any of the Raimi movies.
Okay he forced in Venom in SM3 but that made sense from his perspective.He was probably a Venom fan and he knew venom would bringing in more money and thus he convinced Raimi to introduce Venom
What would he gain from removing a 3 minute scene?

What is with you wanting to read somewhere that states Arad asked scenes to be removed? That will NEVER happen nor anything of the like will be leaked with someone asking for scenes to be removed.

And he deserves a whole lot of credit aswell which he is never given
I mean a studio like Marvel has what? 2 well received movies(IM1 and TA) and 3 averagely received(Thor,CapAm and IM2) and people consider it the holy grail
Arad's Spidey has made the same amount of money with 4 movies what Marvel has made with 6.Average reception has been the same if not better
I dont see why he shouldnt be given credit

Who is calling Marvel Studios the holy grail? I believe no one is, and that's not even the point. Avi Arad gets credit when its due but he gets backlash when its due and that has been as of late, simply put.

So on one hand he doesnt give his ideas in the other movies and they turn out worthless and on the other hand he gives his ideas and involves himself in 4 Spider-man movies and all turn out financial success,2 very well received,one moderately received and one receiving mixed reviews

I know what I prefer

And you can prefer what you want, but many others, and if you read the last couple of pages, prefer what they want as well and I'm in agreement with them.

 

[Oscorp]

Guys please! Now ever single damn topic is full of frustration and anger. At least keep this one clean from it, this one has been pretty free from that **** so far! The least you could do is staying on topic.

 

[LegendAssemble]

So did they anything wrong?
Since every studio does it?

No they didn't but you said I was talking BS so I proved that I was not.

Yes but both are very less and show an inexperienced director

Two big movies is a whole production more. Not to mention that they very well could have hired him with intent of control. They did the same thing to Schumacher. He wanted to make a darker Batman year one but they told him to do Batman Forever.

Yes but 500 days was a better financial success than Memento and Insomnia.All 3 were well received though.
So if you blame Sony for hiring a rookie director because they wanted control,I could say the same for WB

Whats that have to do with it. Two is still more than one and there wasn't the same history. You're twisting the facts to try and support your statement and it just doesn't work.

When does he hint that?
Nothing in that scene hints strongly at a changed origin

"It can't be controlled the cross species takes control"
"Then why didn't you?"
"Why didn't you transform"
"Peter do you have any idea what you really are?"

Hahahaha,You have no idea
I am an Indian myself and the Indian public was absolutely furious at the minuscle role he got,they care more about the amount of time he gets than if he lives or dies
First there were false reports of him playing a Villian(Van Adder) and people here were thrilled,then they were proved false and it seemed as if he still had a major role though not of that of a Villian,it was fair.Then we got to see him appearing in What? maybe 3-4 minutes of time? It would have been much better to see that scene instead of being 'Happy' that he is alive

He was obviously intended to be more of a villain. It doesn't take a film scholar to see what they were trying to say by introducing him scowling at the hero/protagonist like he was scum and manipulating Conners fears and emotions. There was probably more to his role that was cut out. They could just give him a bigger role in the future. Not to mention just because there was outrage he had a tiny role doesn't mean his name didn't attract anyone who had no knowledge of the film. It's not like we knew he would be throw away BEFORE it came out anyway.

I am against blaming something on someone with any logic or source whatsoever

Thats a naive approach to the world. Theres not always a source sometimes the facts just add up. I don't know if you know who casey anthony or OJ Simpson is but they can tell you just because theres no source that said they did it, doesn't mean they didn't.

 

[Spiderdevil]

And yet...Lizard DIDN'T kill Peter at the school. Spidey didn't fool Lizard once either. Lizard knocked him out and could've killed him, but Lizard obviously has much bigger plans to deal with. I knew you were going to bring this up, so why not bring it up myself

When did he knock him out? He smashed him through a wall and then tried to grab him with his claws and Peter tried to avoid him with his legs,he throws him into a wall again and a costumed spidey comes out
Nowhere in the school fight did I see Lizard stopping himself from Killing spidey

And the audience should've had a much harder time to swallow that Lizard went to the high school to kill Peter and didn't....and that Lizard magically showed up once again wearing a nice clean white lab coat without that sewer scene being in the cut

It's WAY more in sync than what we see in the theatrical cut.

Absolutely
I am not debating the fact that scene should have been put in.
It should have definitely be put it.All I am saying is that the version we saw of that scene,it ended with an open Lizard mouth.I dont think thats an actual cut and we'll see him appearing in the street after that.I think they didnt show a few seconds more,like a gory shot of Lizard biting through Ratha(Which could be the cause of Censor boards rejecting it) and then says something to Peter before escaping

To shave off time? What motive would Arad have to remove many other scenes with much more quality with Spider-Man 3?

Arad never had any scenes removed from SM3,Raimi did that himself.Stop speculating
And removing such a major scene? Thats idiotic even by Sony's standards.For all the scenes replaced in SM3,there were either not so major or replaced well

The censor board is the most dumbfounding logic. We can get screaming and nails jarring at the floors in Spider-Man 2, but we can't see a giant lizard looking like he's going to eat someone? Nonsense.

The censor board has wierd rules
And the main reason why I am bringing the censor logic is because both the Sewer scene and bathroom scene were removed together

What is with you wanting to read somewhere that states Arad asked scenes to be removed? That will NEVER happen nor anything of the like will be leaked with someone asking for scenes to be removed.

Which is why it is stupid to blame him for the deleted scenes in TASM without any source whatsover.Its like taking a shot in the dark
I mean,He forced Venom/Eddy Brock/Symbiote in SM3 and that didnt work out well and suddenly he is now responsible for everything wrong in the 4 Spider-man films and most probably be blamed for flaws in sequels aswell.It bewilders me

Who is calling Marvel Studios the holy grail? I believe no one is, and that's not even the point. Avi Arad gets credit when its due but he gets backlash when its due and that has been as of late, simply put.

I have never seen anyone giving him credit and he deserves a lot of credit
Without him the character on the big screen would most probably be rotting

And you can prefer what you want, but many others, and if you read the last couple of pages, prefer what they want as well and I'm in agreement with them.

One doesnt see the value of a thing untill its no more

 

[Spiderdevil]

Whats that have to do with it. Two is still more than one and there wasn't the same history. You're twisting the facts to try and support your statement and it just doesn't work.

No I am not
A director with one film or two is still inexperienced.No one will deny that

"It can't be controlled the cross species takes control"
"Then why didn't you?"
"Why didn't you transform"
"Peter do you have any idea what you really are?"

Still doesnt hint strongly towards a Ang Lee type origin,atleast not enough to get Fanbois heated up

He was obviously intended to be more of a villain. It doesn't take a film scholar to see what they were trying to say by introducing him scowling at the hero/protagonist like he was scum and manipulating Conners fears and emotions. There was probably more to his role that was cut out. They could just give him a bigger role in the future. Not to mention just because there was outrage he had a tiny role doesn't mean his name didn't attract anyone who had no knowledge of the film. It's not like we knew he would be throw away BEFORE it came out anyway.

I never denied any of that
Just disproving your theory that not showing him dead would please the Indian Audience
And imo there is very little probability that he will get a role in TASM#2 or #3

Thats a naive approach to the world. Theres not always a source sometimes the facts just add up. I don't know if you know who casey anthony or OJ Simpson is but they can tell you just because theres no source that said they did it, doesn't mean they didn't.

Just because he forced Venom in SM3 doesnt mean that he is responsible for every thing wrong in Spider-man films in the future

 

[Anno_Domini]

When did he knock him out? He smashed him through a wall and then tried to grab him with his claws and Peter tried to avoid him with his legs,he throws him into a wall again and a costumed spidey comes out
Nowhere in the school fight did I see Lizard stopping himself from Killing spidey

Did you not even watch the school fight going into the library where Lizard tossed Spidey against a bookcase and then just left? For someone who defends TAS-M so much, it doesn't seem like you remember a whole lot of it.

Absolutely
I am not debating the fact that scene should have been put in.
It should have definitely be put it.All I am saying is that the version we saw of that scene,it ended with an open Lizard mouth.I dont think thats an actual cut and we'll see him appearing in the street after that.I think they didnt show a few seconds more,like a gory shot of Lizard biting through Ratha(Which could be the cause of Censor boards rejecting it) and then says something to Peter before escaping

You only suspect a gory scene to give reason to the bogus claim of the censor boards taking the scene out.

A black screen after Lizard tries to bite down Dr. Ratha and then appearing on the street on his way to OsCorp Tower makes enough sense for the audience to view it which is different from the actual theatrical cut.

Arad never had any scenes removed from SM3,Raimi did that himself.Stop speculating
And removing such a major scene? Thats idiotic even by Sony's standards.For all the scenes replaced in SM3,there were either not so major or replaced well

Sam Raimi did that himself? Proof? He directed alternative scenes and he wouldn't have said "Hey, let's get some alternative scenes to make the film way ****tier". No, don't buy it. Again, you're giving Arad way too much credit.

And yes, it is idiotic by Sony's standards since we have major scenes from Spider-Man 3 and TAS-M taken out. A coincidence that the director's replaced the scenes/took them out...or Avi Arad? Yah, Avi Arad.

The censor board has wierd rules
And the main reason why I am bringing the censor logic is because both the Sewer scene and bathroom scene were removed together

I don't buy this logic anymore.

Which is why it is stupid to blame him for the deleted scenes in TASM without any source whatsover.Its like taking a shot in the dark
I mean,He forced Venom/Eddy Brock/Symbiote in SM3 and that didnt work out well and suddenly he is now responsible for everything wrong in the 4 Spider-man films and most probably be blamed for flaws in sequels aswell.It bewilders me

Awesome if you like Arad so much, but others are much wiser.

I have never seen anyone giving him credit and he deserves a lot of credit
Without him the character on the big screen would most probably be rotting

Perhaps because you only want to notice the posts where he gets the backlash or perhaps it's because it's recent and the movies he actually did fine with are in the past?

One doesnt see the value of a thing untill its no more

Such as seeing the value TAS-M could have been.

 

[AF3619]

Did you not even watch the school fight going into the library where Lizard tossed Spidey against a bookcase and then just left? For someone who defends TAS-M so much, it doesn't seem like you remember a whole lot of it.

i think he left because he was changing back to human

 

[Spiderdevil]

Did you not even watch the school fight going into the library where Lizard tossed Spidey against a bookcase and then just left? For someone who defends TAS-M so much, it doesn't seem like you remember a whole lot of it.

Thats doesnt mean he didnt want to kill him
What was the purpose of visiting the school then,just toss him around and give him bruises?
He says something along the lines of 'You are not get in my way of plan,Peter Parker' when he is arguing with his split personality in the sewers before the School fight.What does that tell ya?
What does lines like 'You stopped me once,you wont stop me again' tell ya?

You only suspect a gory scene to give reason to the bogus claim of the censor boards taking the scene out.

No,its actually because I think it doesnt make sense to cut a scene at that point and then show the Lizard entering the street.

A black screen after Lizard tries to bite down Dr. Ratha and then appearing on the street on his way to OsCorp Tower makes enough sense for the audience to view it which is different from the actual theatrical cut.

It makes more sense than the theatrical cut but still doesnt make enough sense
I mean,does he just leave Peter lying there? Makes no sense.And then what? We see Spidey on the street calling Gwen on the Phone?

Sam Raimi did that himself? Proof? He directed alternative scenes and he wouldn't have said "Hey, let's get some alternative scenes to make the film way ****tier". No, don't buy it. Again, you're giving Arad way too much credit.

They are plenty of times directors do alternate scenes and decide later what to put in the theatrical cut.
Iron Man and Iron Man 2 have alternate scenes and the movie looked better with what was shown than what wasnt.Raimi calculated it wrong

And how can you say the alternate scene were better when no one has seen those alternate cuts in the first place? Maybe they were worse?

And yes, it is idiotic by Sony's standards since we have major scenes from Spider-Man 3 and TAS-M taken out. A coincidence that the director's replaced the scenes/took them out...or Avi Arad? Yah, Avi Arad.

FFS every movie has deleted/alternate scenes,learn that concept first.Its nothing new with TASM
Once again,what makes you think the alternate scenes in SM3 would have been better?
And before blaming Arad about TASM's sewer scene? Try to think about the logic behind it FFS
What would he stand to gain for removing the 3 minute scene?

I don't buy this logic anymore.

And I dont buy the trend of blaming Arad for everything wrong in Spider-man films

Awesome if you like Arad so much, but others are much wiser.

By wiser you mean blaming someone for something without any logic and source?

Such as seeing the value TAS-M could have been.

It had a ****** script and Arad was responsible for that too,go on say it

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

If Webb really felt he wasn't in control or Avi was giving him a tough time, he wouldn't be directing TASM2.