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There is a scene in there where a woman tells Clarke that "A man like that (Batman) is only stopped by fists". Now, you can claim that the premise still is weak- I have nothing to say about that- it's personal opinion. But the Extended Cut addresses this issue.
You're right, it is weak. It doesn't excuse the fact that the only way you get these two to fight in this film is if you prevent Superman from saying anything. Again, he had no time to be pissing around with Batman due to his mother's life being on the line. It makes no logical sense for Superman to be engaging in a fight he doesn't want, and yet he does. Batman threw the first punch and Superman retaliated. It basically amounts to childish reasons why Superman fights Batman, and yet all the while his mother is minutes away from being killed. He conveniently seems to forget that. But hey, them fighting is in the movie title, so I guess they ought to fight......
ApophènX;33908685 said:Superman was ready to burn Lex to the ground, when his mother or people he love are at stakes and in danger, he goes blind rage, not unlikely Batman in those moment, in feelings of powerlessness. He wasn't thinking straight, you ever been in a fight for people you love? At one moment, when yoûre threatened to death (hello kryptonite) you don't think straight, you don't think, when he screamed his mother name it wasn't in hope to convice Batman, he is not even thinking about "explaining" anymore, it was a desperate cry for help. That's the emotion, not the name.
When the governor says "democracy works when people talk to each other" it's a premiss of that, like when WW told Bruce "little boys are born with no natural inclination to share", beczuse she sees she has a man still acting like a child, not talking, angry, blinded. She kind of make fun of it. Woamn don't act like pitty warrior who feels insecur, Wonder Woman comes when they are ready to face the greater evil and have stopped their childish combat (even if i think they could have bring her better, i didn't like the plane stuff or the metha human email)
Well said. Combined with the way Clark's opinion of Batman evolves throughout the movie in UE, Superman's decision to rough Batman up makes complete sense.ApophènX;33908685 said:Superman was ready to burn Lex to the ground, when his mother or people he love are at stakes and in danger, he goes blind rage, not unlikely Batman in those moment, in feelings of powerlessness. He wasn't thinking straight, you ever been in a fight for people you love? At one moment, when yoûre threatened to death (hello kryptonite) you don't think straight, you don't think, when he screamed his mother name it wasn't in hope to convice Batman, he is not even thinking about "explaining" anymore, it was a desperate cry for help. That's the emotion, not the name.
When the governor says "democracy works when people talk to each other" it's a premiss of that, like when WW told Bruce "little boys are born with no natural inclination to share", beczuse she sees she has a man still acting like a child, not talking, angry, blinded. She kind of make fun of it. Woamn don't act like pitty warrior who feels insecur, Wonder Woman comes when they are ready to face the greater evil and have stopped their childish combat (even if i think they could have bring her better, i didn't like the plane stuff or the metha human email)
The destruction of Metropolis has zero effect on Bruce's mind set to Superman. Superman's existence is the issue and how powerless and pointless it makes Bruce's whole life feel. The Metropolis damage and 1% chance speech are his way of justifying to himself that what he's thinking of doing is OK.while i really liked the Ultimate Edition and i like that they expanded on Africa/bullet side plot but i still feel it was unnecessary since i feel the battle of metropolis was enough for superman to be villainized.It was the main crux why batman has hatred for the man and you had Wallace i think you could of told a more compelling story just dealing with the Black Zero Event and probably would of made the movie shorter since the Africa side plot took up a lot of screen time.
so i would of got rid of Africa side plot and just focused mostly on the backlash on the battle of metropolis
Is the Ultimate Cut worth watching for someone like myself (who abhors the movie, for many reasons already covered here)? Are there any issues that this newer cut "fixes" or "improves"?
Is the Ultimate Cut worth watching for someone like myself (who abhors the movie, for many reasons already covered here)? Are there any issues that this newer cut "fixes" or "improves"?
Is the Ultimate Cut worth watching for someone like myself (who abhors the movie, for many reasons already covered here)? Are there any issues that this newer cut "fixes" or "improves"?
Is the Ultimate Cut worth watching for someone like myself (who abhors the movie, for many reasons already covered here)? Are there any issues that this newer cut "fixes" or "improves"?
You're right, it is weak. It doesn't excuse the fact that the only way you get these two to fight in this film is if you prevent Superman from saying anything. Again, he had no time to be pissing around with Batman due to his mother's life being on the line. It makes no logical sense for Superman to be engaging in a fight he doesn't want, and yet he does. Batman threw the first punch and Superman retaliated. It basically amounts to childish reasons why Superman fights Batman, and yet all the while his mother is minutes away from being killed. He conveniently seems to forget that. But hey, them fighting is in the movie title, so I guess they ought to fight......
it depends what you hate about the movie
if you hate the tone,jesse's lex performance,superman dying,the reason they fight,the reason they stop fighting,doomsday,etc. then not gonna make it better for you
but for me i hated the editing,pacing,lack of clark kent,plot holes,incoherency of the Theatrical Cut and all that was completely fixed in the Ultimate Edition
i gave Theatrical Cut a 6/10 and UE a 7.5/10
Superman already starts by asking Batman to listen to him, Superman says "Bruce, Listen .... I was wrong.. "
Batman is so full of rage and blinded by his mission to kill Superman that he is in no mood to to actually think and listen to what Superman is saying.
If Batman was thinking logically, with a cool head, he would have stopped fighting after hearing the very first sentence, Bats would have thought.. "How does Superman know my name ?" and "Why is is apologizing ?" and "What does he want to say ?"
Bats repeatedly shoots Kryptonite Grenades at Superman thus weakening him and then proceeds to beat him, Super have no choice but to subdue him by force when ever he gets chance.
Superman is not looking to kill him, though I admit one of the movie's flaws is that the fight went on too long.
Is the Ultimate Cut worth watching for someone like myself (who abhors the movie, for many reasons already covered here)? Are there any issues that this newer cut "fixes" or "improves"?
It does for me, but your mileage may vary.Is the Ultimate Cut worth watching for someone like myself (who abhors the movie, for many reasons already covered here)? Are there any issues that this newer cut "fixes" or "improves"?