What would you change about the movie?

[BrollySupersj]

I'd give it a more darker feeling. And more action.

 

[Tobiaswins]

The selling of the soul scene: First of all, I wouldn't have Mephisto appearing before Blaze trying to Con/trick him into selling his soul. I would actually have Blaze watch his father die while he was being loaded into the ambulance. The paramedics would be zipping up the bag when all of the sudden Johnny would run off towards an abandoned church. Once inside he would start to pray. After a little while he would go silent, tears streaming down his face, then he would call out to anyone that could help him, and that's when Mephisto would appear.

The Tone of the movie: I'm sorry but there was just WAY too much camp. I've never read a ghost rider comic but I knew who he was, and I never thought of him as anything but dark and scary.

The Acting: I thought the acting was fine, but the script was not so fine. It just needed to be more serious, this isn't spiderman it's ghost rider. Things like having ghost rider lassoing a helicopter was cool until he yelled "YEHAW!" Things like that.

The Ghost Rider: Maybe it's just me, but I didn't like the fact that Johnny Blaze was able to turn ghost rider on and off at will. Yes I agree that eventually he should gain some sort of controll, but certainly not in the first movie.

Love interest: I would actually ditch the whole love angle, not because I didn't like Eva she was great. I'ts just that to me ghost rider should be more of a tragic story, and I don't see any room for a love angle. At least not yet.

Those are just some thoughts.

peace

 

[Nivek]

The selling of the soul scene: First of all, I wouldn't have Mephisto appearing before Blaze trying to Con/trick him into selling his soul. I would actually have Blaze watch his father die while he was being loaded into the ambulance. The paramedics would be zipping up the bag when all of the sudden Johnny would run off towards an abandoned church. Once inside he would start to pray. After a little while he would go silent, tears streaming down his face, then he would call out to anyone that could help him, and that's when Mephisto would appear.

The Tone of the movie: I'm sorry but there was just WAY too much camp. I've never read a ghost rider comic but I knew who he was, and I never thought of him as anything but dark and scary.

The Acting: I thought the acting was fine, but the script was not so fine. It just needed to be more serious, this isn't spiderman it's ghost rider. Things like having ghost rider lassoing a helicopter was cool until he yelled "YEHAW!" Things like that.

The Ghost Rider: Maybe it's just me, but I didn't like the fact that Johnny Blaze was able to turn ghost rider on and off at will. Yes I agree that eventually he should gain some sort of controll, but certainly not in the first movie.

Love interest: I would actually ditch the whole love angle, not because I didn't like Eva she was great. I'ts just that to me ghost rider should be more of a tragic story, and I don't see any room for a love angle. At least not yet.

Those are just some thoughts.

peace

I agree with everything you wrote there.

 

[OddBob]

I enjoyed the movie, I voted it 7/10 on SuperHeroHype's poll, but I did have my share of problems with it.

Things that would've been improvements IMO -

In the beginning, I think the person Johnny made the deal for should've remained Crash Simpson. With him being both Johnny's surrogate father and Roxanne's actual father, it adds another layer of drama. And the selling of the soul should've been a completely willing, conscious decision on Johnny's part, not due to trickery/him accidentally pricking his finger.

Cut back on the amount of goofy humor.

Better lines for GR, no flipping the bird.

Better fights (that is, actual fights) with the elemental demons.

 

[deemar325]

The selling of the soul scene: First of all, I wouldn't have Mephisto appearing before Blaze trying to Con/trick him into selling his soul. I would actually have Blaze watch his father die while he was being loaded into the ambulance. The paramedics would be zipping up the bag when all of the sudden Johnny would run off towards an abandoned church. Once inside he would start to pray. After a little while he would go silent, tears streaming down his face, then he would call out to anyone that could help him, and that's when Mephisto would appear.

The Tone of the movie: I'm sorry but there was just WAY too much camp. I've never read a ghost rider comic but I knew who he was, and I never thought of him as anything but dark and scary.

The Acting: I thought the acting was fine, but the script was not so fine. It just needed to be more serious, this isn't spiderman it's ghost rider. Things like having ghost rider lassoing a helicopter was cool until he yelled "YEHAW!" Things like that.

The Ghost Rider: Maybe it's just me, but I didn't like the fact that Johnny Blaze was able to turn ghost rider on and off at will. Yes I agree that eventually he should gain some sort of controll, but certainly not in the first movie.

Love interest: I would actually ditch the whole love angle, not because I didn't like Eva she was great. I'ts just that to me ghost rider should be more of a tragic story, and I don't see any room for a love angle. At least not yet.

Those are just some thoughts.

peace

Agree completely.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

And the selling of the soul should've been a completely willing, conscious decision on Johnny's part, not due to trickery/him accidentally pricking his finger.

Exactly. Blaze did nothing wrong, he made no mistake, no fatal error in judgment, he wasn't even tricked into that deal. In no way is what any of what happened to his father Blaze's fault so it makes his later talk of redemption ring hollow.

 

[Tobiaswins]

And the selling of the soul should've been a completely willing, conscious decision on Johnny's part, not due to trickery/him accidentally pricking his finger.

That's what I'm saying

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Agree completely.

I think its sad that some fans shooting ideas around on a message board could have significantly improved the movie.

 

[Kasady]

i'd change the opening credit sequence
i would have it look like the contracts, with everyone's credit in that cursive writing and blood stains here and there
maybe with some fire effects to "burn" the names into the contract

Awesome idea! Now I want to see that instead lol. I would of had Mephisto summon his own demonic horse that emerges from the ground. Then starts to chase Ghostrider Caretaker. Camera zooms in under Caretaker's horse were we just see the hooves stumping the ground as hellfire comes out. Credits appear as the camera movies slowly forward until we're infront of his horse. Then we'll continue to see the ground blazeing past the camera during the rest of the credits.

 

[hellfiremaster]

After watching it again I really think Nic's idea of Johnny Blaze might be the whole problem with the movie. After perusing the first run of GR, I think we got short changed on JB. He ain't a candy eater, Karen Carpenter liking hick, he is a bad ass, tempered, smoking, drinking SOB. I will take it to the grave that the PG rating and the sacrifices made hurt this movie.

HFM

 

[Jin Saotome]

OK that sounds cool, but Spawn already did it in 96'.

But Marvel did it way before Spawn before, in the Hearts of Darkness TPB where GR/Punisher/Wolvie get sucked down to hell and have to put the collective whup-ass on Blackheart. Sounds cheezy having those three heroes in Hell, yeah. Then GR has to face Mephisto alone for a chat, just like Spawn did. (I'm not saying McFarlane ripped the scene off tho)

Of course just a final battle could of taken place in that town with Blackheart as a huge demon, tossing lil' demons or spirits around. That would of been an acceptable ending too. Set it up for the next film where Zarth is around and kicking or something.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Although that sounds cool on paper it would be over the top though. I would have been satisfied with a Blackheart and GR fight on Earth that would mean the destruction of the entire town of San Venganza.

Some powers he didnt even use should be implemented here: Hellfire blasts, Chain link attacks, chain spears, bear-fisted boxing, and using his hellbike to run Blackheart over in the very end!

 

[Masut]

I'd get rid of the camp, make the film a tad darker and get better dialogue. That can all be fixed for the second film.

 

[FlameHead]

After watching it again I really think Nic's idea of Johnny Blaze might be the whole problem with the movie. After perusing the first run of GR, I think we got short changed on JB. He ain't a candy eater, Karen Carpenter liking hick, he is a bad ass, tempered, smoking, drinking SOB. I will take it to the grave that the PG rating and the sacrifices made hurt this movie.

HFM

Cages changes certainly hurt a lot of peoples wishes for Blaze, yeah, I can definitely agree with that. His choices certainly work in this film though. I loved it.

Plus, the bad ass, tempered, smoking, drinking SOB has been done to death...

 

[OddBob]

Exactly. Blaze did nothing wrong, he made no mistake, no fatal error in judgment, he wasn't even tricked into that deal. In no way is what any of what happened to his father Blaze's fault so it makes his later talk of redemption ring hollow.

Yeah. When the redemption talk came up, I thought, "But all you did was get a papercut..."

 

[hellfiremaster]

Cages changes certainly hurt a lot of peoples wishes for Blaze, yeah, I can definitely agree with that. His choices certainly work in this film though. I loved it.

Plus, the bad ass, tempered, smoking, drinking SOB has been done to death...

Hey, I read your review. If Cage played Blaze as a cross dressing transvestite, unicycle rider, that had a boy george fetish, you would have loved that to.

The comic is the comic.

HFM

 

[FlameHead]

Depends on how he did it, but yeah, maybe I would.

I'm a fan of movies and I don't need them to live up to any preconcieved notion that I may have had for any movie. It's not my movie afterall and I have no right to say what should have been and not should have been there.

I genuinely loved the movie and the choices that were made. Was it the Ghost Rider movie I envisioned years ago? No, it wasn't. I would have made a Dan Ketch story, let's not forget. That doesn't change how I felt about the movie itself.

 

[hellfiremaster]

Depends on how he did it, but yeah, maybe I would.

I'm a fan of movies and I don't need them to live up to any preconcieved notion that I may have had for any movie. It's not my movie afterall and I have no right to say what should have been and not should have been there.

I genuinely loved the movie and the choices that were made. Was it the Ghost Rider movie I envisioned years ago? No, it wasn't. I would have made a Dan Ketch story, let's not forget. That doesn't change how I felt about the movie itself.

Lets also not forget the reason GR was movie worthy.. the comic itself. Outside of the Ketch era origins debacle, the GR comic in itself might be the single most title that can cover a plethora of stories without being hokey. The movie, was hokey. You said the "bad ass" angle has been done before, this maybe true, but its still part of the core of the comic and the core of what makes Blazes character, Blaze. Do you honestly think a candy ass Blaze would have sold GR in the 70's????

In your review you said " Sure, some people wanted a fully dark intense movie but, the comic was never that way " Have you been reading these comics? Can you show me any GR issue that has as much humor and camp as this movie has? The only issues that are close to being as funny as this movie tries to be are the issues drawn by Pop Mahn. And thats only cause his artistry in GR is purely comical. Has nothing to do with the stories themselves. GR is dark, and there is NO excuse you could be truthful about to try and say well the camp is in the comic. Cause it isn't.

It's not about preconceived notions, its about the materials that came before. Now maybe you view GR differently but when I read GR I look forward to hell, demons and the fights. Maybe you wait for him to offer up bouquets of flowers to his enemies, but I don't. See I started out reading the Blaze issues, his demon wanting to hand everyone he met their collective asses, thats what I like about GR. He is evil directed at stopping evil.

Did the movie show GR in the same way GR is shown in the comics? Of course not, it couldn't. Will that be a letdown to people who read the comics for what they actually are, absolutely. Can we hope for an r-rated version, thats stays truer to the comic? Yes we can.

I am glad you liked the movie, but then again, you were going to like the movie regardless.

HFM

 

[FlameHead]

You could be very right on that, and I talked about that in my post. The thing is, I like most movies for what they are and the more I enjoy the ride (especially in an action/adventure) the better the movie is... for me.

I understand that it's about the materials before and what I was talking about is that the comic was never entended for an 'adult' audience. It was dark but, not R.

Also, we have to remember that this is reference material only. What works on page doesn't always work on film. Everyone seems to forget that.

I know where you're coming from about the change in Blaze but, it worked. What I'm happy about is that they nailed what I went to see the movie for, and that's Ghost Rider himself. Everything else just helped the fun... for me.

 

[Jamie Madrox]

My first priority would be to change some of the dialogue. There were some great lines, but I think there were too many cheesy ones, most likely do to Goyer. I hate Goyers writing. I wouldn't think GR would say those things and act like that.

The second thing I would've done was to have a longer beginning, young Johnny Blaze and Barton didn't have enough screen time, I wish it was a little longer.

And the third, I would've had Blackheart completely transform. It isn't a big deal, but would've been amazing to see on screen.

Other than that, I loved GR. The acting, the effects, the action and the story were great! Not to mention the sound effects and scenery! I would've added a scene of GR dragging the mugger by his chain on the Hellcycle, but that's me.

I tip my hat to MSJ. Well done.

 

[crazy sock]

Hahahaha This Movie Bites!

 

[crazy sock]

Alrighty, this is a warning im typing here after i wrote this post cause im tired and outraged over this movie and i havent posted on superherohype before and i finally get to now n i know a lot of other ppl have said the same things ive said below with like how the movie stunk whether its from comic fan or reg person stand point but i just had to say something yknow, and ive read a lot of the other posts by ppl that liked the movie and most of you rele dont have any good arguments when discussing why ya liked it i mean if ya liked it ya liked it whatever but to say its a good movie is just well WOW hah i mean i like a lot of movies that i know arent good for whatever reasons depending on what kind of movie it is if its a comedy or drama or action etc. but you guys just dont have any good responses to the ppl that say how this movie as a movie regardless of it being a comic adaption stunk and also even though im new to posting n only been reading the threads on here for bout a week or so im not some dumb kid that doesnt know what hes talking about even though ya prob think so from the way i type, and i apologize for not using correct grammar when i type but i rele dont care about it cause its only a forum its not like i type or write or even talk like this when its important like for school or work or whatever ya know so if anyone cares to point out my lack of correct grammar you can save it for yerself cause i dont think anyone else in the world would care so yea ive ranted all i rele have to rant about and id like to thank all the other ppl on here that didnt like the movie for the same reasons i didnt cause it shows to myself im not the only one and im glad you all posted your thoughts and views about the movie before i did so when everyone reads what i said wont be all WHAT about it cause its basically the same as a lot of others had to say just in poor grammar and yep thats all - so when ya read this enjoy,get mad, do whatever

seriously, this movie bit big sweatly balls. im a fan of ghost rider comics, mainly the 90s ketch/kale ghost rider, and i was very disappointed that this movie blew. my reasons for this movie blowing isnt even mainly from a ghost rider or comic book fan stand point, its from a regular movie goer point of view. and my reasons from a reg movie goer is that 1.) when some scenes ended and the next scene began it felt as if i had fallen asleep before the last scene ended and woke up in the middle of the next one. i dont know if its cause they edited out a lot of scenes or parts of scenes to death or if its just cause msj cant direct, either way its cause of msj. i bet he was thinking "HEY! i dont have to worry so much with making ghost rider cause theres always the directors cut dvd right! i mean everyone didnt like the theatrical daredevil movie,BUT HEY, they loved my directors cut dvd RIGHT!so if ghost rider turns out lame, well thank god for dvds." 2.) the dialogue for every character was lame as hell excpet maybe the lesser characters like mack, none of his dialogue bothered me but his character isnt important in the big picture where as blaze,ghost rider,mephisto,roxanne,blackheart and his lackeys' dialogue all were horrible. i forgot who here or in some other thread said it but they said something like the dialogue sounding like it was from a saturday morning cartoon and hes right. actually ive heard better dialogue in some saturday morning cartoons than in ghost rider.3.)and also the horrible plot to the movie. why are these 1000 or however many damned or evil souls so important, i mean cmon, 1000 souls is nothing n ffrom the ppl of some stupid nowhere village in texas? and the whole friggn scene with blackheart taking in the souls THAT WAS SO STOLEN FROM BLADE WITH DEACON FROST TAKING IN THE PURE BLOOD SOULS GODDAMN WHAT A RIPOFF THAT WAS I MEAN SERIOUSLY EVERY BIT OF THAT WAS FROM BLADE, THE SOULS FLYING INTO AND THRU HIM AND HIM GOIN FROM LIKE HAPPY ABOUT IT TO TERRIFIRED AND THEN WITH HIS EYES TURNING RED GOD IF YA HAVENT SEEN THE FIRST BLADE MOVIE GO N SEE IT HELL PROB CAN FIND IT ON YOUTUBE OR WHATEVER WATCH IT AND YOULL SEE man. and black heart sayin the line from the bible or whatever of the WE ARE LEGION FOR WE ARE MANY the hell so does that mean in the ghost rider movie universe that in there bible that part with jesus and the guy possed by the demon legion no exist? i mean cmon and whats with all these plot holes like with john blaze being able to turn into ghost rider so fast n easy after only a couple of times he changed and then theres the him being turned at night but at the end when he was in the shadows he could turn into ghost rider or whhen he put his hand in the shadows it was ghost riders hand GOD i guess MSJ was watching a lot of the first pirates of the caribean eh? man n the overly campyness i mean alright jokes are fun here n there but thru out the whole movie? cmon i mean i dont rele care that it was ratedR i dont think it needs to be rated R to be like "true" to the comics but still it could have dont alot better without so much camp crap and def make it darker n def what is up with the sucker soul deal where he doesnt sign it on his own what a joke and whats with there being no dates on any of the tombstones
like johns dad's i mean i dont remember exactly if they had in the beginning of the movie at the carnival if they showed like the date like the year or whatever but they def didnt have any on the tombstones not any i can remember seeing i mean was it so ppl wouldnt be like hey if his dad dies that year then that makes john blaze this many years old n roxane that many years old i mean when i heard cage was ghost rider i was a lil uneased not cause i dont think hes a good actor i like his movies its that hes too old for it n esp when i found out mendes was his childhood or teenage or whatever girlfriend cause its def obv that there is a big age gap betw cage n mendes BUT even with that n all the other fears and doubts of this movie being made such as the director being the guy that did daredevil and it to me not having been a good movie, i still hoped n figured itd be good cause the effects actually looked good ghost rider himself looked good n cage is a good actor n reading on here how the daredevil directors cut dvd was way better than the theatrical version n all that but no,NO NO NO NO NO, this movie was horrible and its not cause of the little things of it being overly campy and age diff betw cage n mendes n other stuff but just as a movie. even if ghost rider is a campy jokey kind of comic it doesnt change the fact that as a movie this movie blew - the directing the dialogue the lame villain lackeys the "fight" scenes i honestly dont think there was any actual fighting going on in this flick
now my probs as a fan. i can understand cage wanting to make blaze his own a little but seriously, the whole jelly bean thing from a MARTINI glass cmon, thats so ridiculously lame. i can handle the carpenters and the love of tv and monkeys n what not but cmon did he rele have to be so lame. and then theres ghost rider himself. i woulda actually preferred if he didnt speak at all i mean cmon him whistling and crappy one liners and flipping off the cops GOD shoot me please, if ghost rider was actually real id kill myself over this movie so hed go to msj n straighten him out ah man this movie blew

 

[crazy sock]

yea so those were my thoughts of the movie n some were thoughts about some of the posters on here n well im sure alot of ya after reading that think im a dumb n a jerk n yer kinda right but eh whatever
oh and another thing i had a problem with was the blaze's line at the end of the movie to mephisto saying how hell be a spirit of vengeance? WTF a SPIRIT of vengeance, its not like hes dead n come back to life from hell or whatever so hows he a spirit exactly CMON, that line was def not needed it was forced and lameand whats with mephisto being all NO n disappearing if hes supposed tobe the devil and all he woulda just been like UH NO yer giving up yer powers and getting yer lame soul back or yer coming to hell with me end of story cause Im the devil, but no fonda just runs off like a punk . just another plot hole for yas

 

[The Kid]

Cages changes certainly hurt a lot of peoples wishes for Blaze, yeah, I can definitely agree with that. His choices certainly work in this film though. I loved it.

Plus, the bad ass, tempered, smoking, drinking SOB has been done to death...

hi

That's prettymuch all I've seen van damme play recently.

 

[crazy sock]

I would change only one thing, ONLY 1 GOD DANG THING, and that would be MSJ. thats all. cause even though i had problems with other things in the movie, they all rele came from MSJ being the director.if you take the same cast and script, even the lame and weak plot of the measly 1000 damned souls thing, n just had a actual good director the movie would not just be hundred times better but just good in general as a movie.