whats so bad about MJ and the romance?

[Spider-knight]

At least she tried. Sure she wasnt so supportive of Peter but she was mostly written as this troubled woman

 

[Majik1387]

That's being way too blaze of her ****ty writing.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Too much troubled.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

LONG POST BUT PLEASE READ

I completely agree. First of all MJ is a very insecure woman('cause of her dad) and every decision she takes is from that mindset. Realize how she always dates men of power or some sort of high status: Flash was the popular guy of HS, Harry was rich, James was rich and somewhat famous, etc. She did it because she was seeking validation from her father and herself.

The reason she fell in love with Peter in the first place is because he is the only one who made her feel worthy beyond her looks which was something completely new for her. Those type of things actually happen in real life.

In Spider-Man 3 she became even more insecure when she was fired(she felt exactly like her father used to make her feel) and Peter was becoming 'successful', she thought Peter might not think her "worthy" anymore which showcased her low self-esteem. You can notice all of this by paying attention to all her scenes, its actually there! lol

I haven't read the comics but from what I've read about her character the only thing that was missing in her character was the "party girl act", MJ is supposed to present herself as a fun, cocky and seductive woman to hide her insecurity and this never came across in the movies unfortunately because that would have made her an extremely compelling character but for the most part the writing of her character and Dunst' performance were really good. In fact she's probably one of the most compelling female characters in superhero movies along with Pepper Potts in Iron Man.

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Also, I don't get why so many people like Gwen. Other than the fact that she's played by Emma Stone, there is nothing to her as a character. She's smart, hot, humble, nice, etc. But what are her flaws as a person? Yeah she doesn't have any!! Sure everyone would want a woman like that but the thing is, women like that don't exist!!! She's just the love interest of the movie, her only purpose in the movies is to be there to help her man(Peter). The only reason I mention Gwen is because the notion of MJ being a terrible character exists because people think Gwen is a better character and has the better romance which isn't true for the reasons above.

This is the best post of the thread.

It's true though, I didn't care for her in SM3
At least Gwen defended herself and DID help herself. She even defended Peter.

Mary Jane in the Raimi films
*villian comes in*
"AGHH!!!!!!!!!"
*gets kidnapped*

Gwen never defended herself because a villain never tried to kidnap her until TASM 2, and when he did she ended up getting killed lol.

 

[Majik1387]

Gwen defended herself in ASM1 from Lizard in the storage closet.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

She hit Lizard with a trophy.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

He wasn't after Gwen in ASM1 he just wanted his Lizard making machine device that she was hiding from him.

And he wasn't after her in the school fight either.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

He was going to attack her if Spidey didn't intervened.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

That was after she hit him and she needed to be saved because she did that.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

To help Spider-Man.

This is becoming hilarious

 

[Majik1387]

Jesus guys come on, she defended herself because she knew she had what Lizard wanted.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

To help Spider-Man.

This is becoming hilarious

That's not defending herself is it lol.

And it's not defending herself when Lizard just wants to take a device off her either lol. He was not after her in either of those cases so never did she defend herself. Sorry.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Stop Ock...u kid.

I know you do.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I kid. But not here.

Only time a villain was after Gwen herself was with Harry, and she died there.

 

[Majik1387]

Reaching is a more appropriate term.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Telling facts is what it is. Fact is Lizard was not after Gwen at all.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

At least she died helping Spidey to defeat Electro.

Can't say the same for some other girl..

 

[Doctor Octopus]

That's because he doesn't need his girlfriend's help to defeat his enemies, or tell him how to defeat them either.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

What villain wasn't after MJ? Sandman?

I'm glad the new franchise never did that, the cliché was overused already

Also,Harry wasn't after Gwen but Spider-Man.

 

[Majik1387]

I didn't say Lizard was after Gwen specifically. He was after the device which Gwen specifically had at that point. So yes, at some point he went after her, she knew this as well and had no idea what he may have done by the time he got to her, but she still defended herself.

Way to veer off topic in the thread and making it about anti-Webb movies again.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

What villain wasn't after MJ? Sandman?

I'm glad the new franchise never did that, the cliché was overused already

Also,Harry wasn't after Gwen but Spider-Man.

None of the villains were after MJ either. They all wanted Spider-Man, they just used her to get to him. Same as how Harry used Gwen. Except the difference is first time a villain kidnaps her she dies.

I didn't say Lizard was after Gwen specifically. He was after the device which Gwen specifically had at that point. So yes, at some point he went after her, she knew this as well and had no idea what he may have done by the time he got to her, but she still defended herself.

Way to veer off topic in the thread and making it about anti-Webb movies again.

He didn't go after her to harm her or kidnap her. He just went to take his device from her. That's not defending yourself when someone is not trying to harm you or kidnap you.

I didn't bring up Gwen first other people did. I just responded to other's posts.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I didn't say Lizard was after Gwen specifically. He was after the device which Gwen specifically had at that point. So yes, at some point he went after her, she knew this as well and had no idea what he may have done by the time he got to her, but she still defended herself.

Way to veer off topic in the thread and making it about anti-Webb movies again.

Right?


Ock is cool though.

 

[Majik1387]

Gwen does not know he's not trying to harm her. Come on man. Use some logistics.

A crazy mutated Lizard man is after you, and you have no idea if he's gonna cut you, bite you, throw you around with his tail, etc. She defended herself with a blowtorch.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Don't forget the school one! He was going to rip her

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Right?


Ock is cool though.

Thanks Andrew.

Gwen does not know he's not trying to harm her. Come on man. Use some logistics.

A crazy mutated Lizard man is after you, and you have no idea if he's gonna cut you, bite you, throw you around with his tail, etc. She defended herself with a blowtorch.

But we know he's not after her. That is the point. It doesn't matter what Gwen thought. She was wrong. He just wanted his Lizard device. That is using logistics.

If she defended herself in school scene when he advanced on her after she hit him from behind that would be legit. But she didn't. So she never defended herself against a villain attack. Only time a villain went for her was Harry, and she died.