When its all said and done

[Kane]

This is pointless.


Its obvious after Smallville is cancelled, it will still be played in repeats on some channel like TBS years into the future (the same way as Dawsons Creek does).


My personal predicition is it will be remembered in the same capacity as the mainstream remembers Roswell, Buffy, Angel etc (thats a fair assessment). A show of relevance to this day and age for teens, but it wont equate to the timeless classic factor of the first Donner film.

Ironically George Reeves was the face of the real Superman for several years prior to his death. Despite Chris coming after, it seems the majority equate 'Superman' to him (even prior to his accident). Even when 80s Superboy and Lois and Clark ratings were high (Chris Reeve was the definative Superman).

In that case, the films had a greater impact over multiple television series? Will that pattern continue? Hard to say.

It really comes down to the quality of the picture Tony, and whether is a timeless work of art. Sadly, despite the Donner films remembered fondly, one thing they couldnt do is hold alot relevance to today's world. It was very and obviously 70's inpsired, from the look to the dialouge.

 

[avidreader]

This is pointless.


Its obvious after Smallville is cancelled, it will still be played in repeats on some channel like TBS years into the future (the same way as Dawsons Creek does).

It wont be cancelled, the story will have been told and it will end.

Smallville will end up being the most complete story ever told on TV.

Not many shows have a real beginning and a real end.

 

[Kane]

Cancelled meaning finished, done, no more seasons.

And yes, it does have a beginning and a definite end for the story of teenage Clark Kent.

Most complete story told on TV

Thats kinda pushing it.

If its most complete DC property handled on TV in a live-action format, I'll give you that.

 

[user123456789]

Wow that'll be the day when I see smallville reruns on TBS, lol!

 

[Kane]

It will happen Just wait. Prolly about 5 years after the show ends.

Then again, its also more likely to repeat on the networks that rerun the old eps of Buffy, Angel, Roswell etc...

 

[TKodami]

Smallville will end up being the most complete story ever told on TV.

Not many shows have a real beginning and a real end.

Yeah no kidding avid...[/pushes her "The Pretender" DVD sets out of sight]

I'm in the wait-and-see camp. You can't tell how a book/poem/movie/television show will influence others except in retrospect.

I'm also of the mind that I'm not too concerned if Smallville influences the comics or movies, because I love how different and distinct the representations of young Clark and Superman are across these different mediums. To me what makes Smallville important is the show itself, not the influence it may or may not exert in the future.

Though if we're talking our own personal work, I know that Smallville will influence me as a fiction writer.

 

[triplet]

I think the Fugitive was a pretty good example of the lead reaching a specific goal and the show ending....

I didn't watch the Pretender past the second season, so I don't think I saw the series finale.

It only lasted about 4 years and the original The Fugitive lasted about the same I believe, so I think avid is right:

Smallville will be the longest running show with a set finish line the characters must cross before the show will wrap.

 

[Kane]

What about Voyager getting home? That was a finish line. It took 7 years.

 

[Serene]

I saw this quote on the main page of DTTW.. I'd forgotten all about it.

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered." - Jeph Loeb, Superman Through The Ages

 

[avidreader]

Yeah no kidding avid...[/pushes her "The Pretender" DVD sets out of sight]

Did that show ever end, I only watched episodes here and there.

Kane I know alot of TV shows have a written ending but that's because they decide to end them.

Smallville is written almost like a novel. They are telling a specific point in time of someone's life that has a absolute conclusion.

 

[triplet]

Voyager is a good example, true. However, I think this is a better show.

I stopped caring about whether they found their way back to earth sometime in the 5th season I think.... I watched it out of habit after that and then stopped watching it altogether before the end...

 

[Kane]

Obviously you'd think this is a better show. I personally am not a Voyager fan either (wasnt a good concept from the start)....but its an example of other shows that have a set goal in the end.

Even DS9 (the series I actually liked bc of the depth of the writing and characterization) had the set outcome of the war which would determine the future of the alpha quadrant. Everything pretty much led to that.

 

[Kane]

I saw this quote on the main page of DTTW.. I'd forgotten all about it.

"C'mon! He's my guy! Nobody works harder and delivers more. As they approach 100 episodes, I'm sure he'll hold the title for longest and best remembered." - Jeph Loeb, Superman Through The Ages

Makes sense given Jeph worked with the show. He doesnt work with DC anymore, his last stuff in Supergirl was garbage. He had his moments in the past as a decent writer, but he isnt someone I'd put much weight of opinion in. He probably thought his version of Supergirl was the best too; the majority of fans disagree and are thankful someone else took up the helm.

 

[Kane]

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Kane I know alot of TV shows have a written ending but that's because they decide to end them.

Smallville will decide to end after a point too, its just obvious what that ending will be.

It it ends this season, theyll likely have to jump some years into the future to end it with him putting on the superman suit, if that happens.

 

[Kane]

I think ultimately, no matter what the mainstream thinks and if the show fades, Smallville fans will remember. Thats really all that matters.

There are very very few tv shows that can stand the test of time. I honestly think the fairest prediction for SV is in the same league as Buffy, Angel, Roswell etc (as I said earlier........and those shows have set fanbases too who will still be on the messageboards years after the show's demise).

 

[TwilightPro101]

I think we'll get to see more of Clark's childhood in the comics in the vein of SV and possibly character's reminiscent of the FotWs, that appeared on the show at some point.

 

[TKodami]

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Did that show ever end, I only watched episodes here and there.

The Pretender had four seasons on NBC, it ended with a bang (literally), and then was cancelled. TNT picked up the show to produce TV movies that "would answer all of your questions and wrap up the show"--but they basically left us back where we started!! Or in my opinion, somewhere worse. Talk about fustrating.

Thankfully SV will have an end. It will have closure.

Kane I know alot of TV shows have a written ending but that's because they decide to end them.

Smallville is written almost like a novel. They are telling a specific point in time of someone's life that has a absolute conclusion.

I agree with you about this, and I think that having a specific goal in sight has kept the writing on SV for the most part focused. I can see that even the most bland or "filler" FOTW episode has a specific lesson or milestone for Clark that impacts his values and understanding of the world.

 

[TKodami]

I think ultimately, no matter what the mainstream thinks and if the show fades, Smallville fans will remember. Thats really all that matters.

I agree with this. Ultimately, how the show impacts its fans is the best testament to a show's quality.

There are very very few tv shows that can stand the test of time. I honestly think the fairest prediction for SV is in the same league as Buffy, Angel, Roswell etc (as I said earlier........and those shows have set fanbases too who will still be on the messageboards years after the show's demise).

Me in the years to come, perhaps.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Makes sense given Jeph worked with the show. He doesnt work with DC anymore, his last stuff in Supergirl was garbage. He had his moments in the past as a decent writer, but he isnt someone I'd put much weight of opinion in. He probably thought his version of Supergirl was the best too; the majority of fans disagree and are thankful someone else took up the helm.

I'd give Loeb a little more credit than that. "Superman For All Seasons" is one of the penultimate Superman stories of the past 20 years, and IMO better than the garbage that John Byrne was responsible for. His SUpergirl run may have left something to be desired (let's face it, she's not a great character to begin with), but the guy knows Superman six ways from Sunday. It's like getting accolades from Alex Ross... who incidentally gave them to Welling/Smallville as well

 

[Kane]

lol no one takes Alex Ross seriously. The dude can draw but he makes ******ed comments.

Check the comics forum and even the DC official boards, they arent too fond of his attitude or his views.

Supergirl can be done right, in the right hands. Jeph just felt the need to play up the teen drama queen angle on Kara and it didnt fly.

We'll see how the new guys try to rectify it.

Is Superman for All Seasons part of the timeline or Elseworlds? I cant remember if I read that one.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I would tend to take Alex Ross a bit more seriously than a bunch of nerds in coimics forums.

I dont know if SFAS is still part of the timeline. I t was at one point, but I stopped keep tracking of what the dopes at DC want in and out of continuity since they seemingly change their minds every 6 months.

 

[Kane]

I would tend to take Alex Ross a bit more seriously than a bunch of nerds in coimics forums.

Ya, I take the prespective of an experienced motion picture director over dorks on a superhero site too.

I'm still betting that Ross may do a 180 on his opinions after the film, Mark Millar has already changed his....thats why I didnt put much stake in them to begin with.

We'll see.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

who was talking about SR? I was talking about Ross' comments about Welling and Smallville, not the fact that he was cheesed off at the movie. Must everything always come back to that damn movie?

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

As far as the story SV tells and the actors I dont think it will have an impact in the Superman mytho. I think when we look back at this show as the project that gave new life to Superman and proves there is still a market for Superman other then that I dont see them making an impact and will become another Superboy in the long run.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Smallville's legacy is that it made Superman relevant to a younger audience again