Where did DC/WB go wrong? - Part 1

[FlashThompson]

I am almost positive that Justice League would fail.

DC is too complicated and their heroes are over-powered except for a few like Batman and.....???

Marvel has heroes that people can relate to (Spiderman & some of the X-Men students), heores that seem realistic for a superhero (Ironman & Hulk), and since they are the first to do a lot of firsts in the SuperHero Movie Genre, DC will look like they are tryna copy Marvel.

I can't see a Justice League movie being a well produced movie.

Martian ManHunter has so many abilities that why would he have to team up with Flash or Wonder Woman to help him out when he already has flight, strength and enhanced speed? Just Martian ManHunter & Superman teaming up would be powerful enough to protect Earth.

Batman could be interesting but these guys are over-powered and don't balance out the team like the Avengers to make it sort-of-believable.

Example: The Avengers balanced each other out by having the Cap lead the team through the henchmen towards the main antagonist, Hulk their for strength, IronMan for wits, technology, and money to fund the team, Thor to battle gods like Loki, Hawkeye & Black Widow for the henchmen, Nick Fury to direct the whole team, etc...

 

[HighFivingMF]

Because there's never been a story with the Justice League before?

 

[FlashThompson]

Because there's never been a story with the Justice League before?

I think you mean to say "because there's never been a MOVIE with the Justic League before?".

Well, I really wish the best of luck to WB for these overpowered heroes all in one movie.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel Marvel

Fair enough.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yep. That's basically all I took from that counter-response.

 

[KalMart]

t:

 

[Anubis]

Stop feeding the troll boys.

 

[FlashThompson]

Stop feeding the troll boys.

Damn, what a nice comeback. That comeback really makes me believe that DC movies are actually a threat to Marvel movies brah; thanks for opening my eyes.

 

[metaphysician]

Its not the power levels that are the problem, IMO. Its the very distinct mythoi. Every major DC hero tends to have his own city, his own supporting cast, his own rogues gallery, and his own set of themes. . . all with scarcely any reference to anyone else, or any significant common elements.

Is this necessarily a bad thing? No. But it does provide an extra obstacle to doing a good team movie. I wouldn't worry about it so much, mind, except its one obstacle of what feels like dozens.

 

[FlashThompson]

Yeah like since they are not having a shared universe they shouldn't do a Justice League Movie for the next 5 years.

They should just focus on trying to get other heroes to atleast come close to match up to the epicness of the Dark Knight.

 

[Anubis]

Damn, what a nice comeback. That comeback really makes me believe that DC movies are actually a threat to Marvel movies brah; thanks for opening my eyes.

No, the point is, just looking at your posts, you're a troll. You're baiting people. You wont be here long anyway. I mean, you're so damn obvious about.

Its not the power levels that are the problem, IMO. Its the very distinct mythoi. Every major DC hero tends to have his own city, his own supporting cast, his own rogues gallery, and his own set of themes. . . all with scarcely any reference to anyone else, or any significant common elements.

Is this necessarily a bad thing? No. But it does provide an extra obstacle to doing a good team movie. I wouldn't worry about it so much, mind, except its one obstacle of what feels like dozens.

Oh, you mean like.....all those Marvel Heroes? I mean, Stark's got Pepper and Happy and hangs out in L.A. mostly. Hulk's Got Betty and Thunderbolt Ross and tends to stick to the remote regions of the planet. Thor's got Jane and Kat Dennings boobs in Oklahoma plus that summer house in Asgard. They have individual supporting casts. They live in different cities, countries....dimensional planes of existence.

How exactly is that any different from, say Batman and Alfred in Gotham? Or Supes and Lois, Jimmy, and Perry in Metropolis?

I mean, are you people actually aware that these characters have lived in the same universe, interacted, teamed up, and actually had teams called the Justice League, the Justice Society, hell, even Batman and the Outsiders, for like, 80 some odd years?

To say that they can't interact is like.....I mean.....I honestly don't understand the thought process behind these words that you people are typing. You wanna connect em in movies, then you....connect them. Like say, having a singular character show up in all the movies? You know, building towards a connected film.........Wow, I must be a genius. That whole thing is unheard of...oh wait, I believe that's exactly what they did with the Avengers.

Hmmm, point is, WTFM? Seriously? I mean he's a troll. He's just trying to get a rise outta people, but you seem like a bright fella. You are aware that Marvel. DC. There's no difference. No one company is any more better equipped to handle a shared universe than the other. Avengers is just as "overpowered" (Which is a whole other boos**t thing I don't feel like getting into.) as the League. Why must everybody go all Mac vs PC with everything? As long as you can look at porn and download illegal music it doesn't matter.

 

[roach]

No, the point is, just looking at your posts, you're a troll. You're baiting people. You wont be here long anyway. I mean, you're so damn obvious about.



Oh, you mean like.....all those Marvel Heroes? I mean, Stark's got Pepper and Happy and hangs out in L.A. mostly. Hulk's Got Betty and Thunderbolt Ross and tends to stick to the remote regions of the planet. Thor's got Jane and Kat Dennings boobs in Oklahoma plus that summer house in Asgard. They have individual supporting casts. They live in different cities, countries....dimensional planes of existence.

How exactly is that any different from, say Batman and Alfred in Gotham? Or Supes and Lois, Jimmy, and Perry in Metropolis?

I mean, are you people actually aware that these characters have lived in the same universe, interacted, teamed up, and actually had teams called the Justice League, the Justice Society, hell, even Batman and the Outsiders, for like, 80 some odd years?

To say that they can't interact is like.....I mean.....I honestly don't understand the thought process behind these words that you people are typing. You wanna connect em in movies, then you....connect them. Like say, having a singular character show up in all the movies? You know, building towards a connected film.........Wow, I must be a genius. That whole thing is unheard of...oh wait, I believe that's exactly what they did with the Avengers.

Hmmm, point is, WTFM? Seriously? I mean he's a troll. He's just trying to get a rise outta people, but you seem like a bright fella. You are aware that Marvel. DC. There's no difference. No one company is any more better equipped to handle a shared universe than the other. Avengers is just as "overpowered" (Which is a whole other boos**t thing I don't feel like getting into.) as the League. Why must everybody go all Mac vs PC with everything? As long as you can look at porn and download illegal music it doesn't matter.

I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the Sith.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Oh, you mean like.....all those Marvel Heroes? I mean, Stark's got Pepper and Happy and hangs out in L.A. mostly. Hulk's Got Betty and Thunderbolt Ross and tends to stick to the remote regions of the planet. Thor's got Jane and Kat Dennings boobs in Oklahoma plus that summer house in Asgard. They have individual supporting casts. They live in different cities, countries....dimensional planes of existence.

How exactly is that any different from, say Batman and Alfred in Gotham? Or Supes and Lois, Jimmy, and Perry in Metropolis?

I mean, are you people actually aware that these characters have lived in the same universe, interacted, teamed up, and actually had teams called the Justice League, the Justice Society, hell, even Batman and the Outsiders, for like, 80 some odd years?

To say that they can't interact is like.....I mean.....I honestly don't understand the thought process behind these words that you people are typing. You wanna connect em in movies, then you....connect them. Like say, having a singular character show up in all the movies? You know, building towards a connected film.........Wow, I must be a genius. That whole thing is unheard of...oh wait, I believe that's exactly what they did with the Avengers.

Hmmm, point is, WTFM? Seriously? I mean he's a troll. He's just trying to get a rise outta people, but you seem like a bright fella. You are aware that Marvel. DC. There's no difference. No one company is any more better equipped to handle a shared universe than the other. Avengers is just as "overpowered" (Which is a whole other boos**t thing I don't feel like getting into.) as the League. Why must everybody go all Mac vs PC with everything? As long as you can look at porn and download illegal music it doesn't matter.

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[KRIM]

I genuinely laughed at those last two sentences. I could not have predicted that ending.

 

[The Morningstar]

Anubis is the master at irreverent comments that actually have a whole deeper meaning. And he's absolutely right.

People who say things like "Oh the JL is overpowered! Oh Superman is overpowered! Oh Thor is overpowered!" have a distinct lack of imagination and have no place reading comics about superheroes, which are all about imagination.

 

[Lone]

LOL...thanks for providing some levity to this thread, FlashThompson.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm a fair guy and yes, Flash has been trolling because he's actively looking for a reaction due to self-entitlement and seemly unaware self-righteousness.

 

[Lone]

I'm a fair guy and yes, Flash has been trolling because he's actively looking for a reaction due to self-entitlement and seemly unaware self-righteousness.

I thought FlashTrollson was in here looking to start an e-penis measuring contest.

 

[Octoberist]

And you can always tell a banned user when you see one; especially when you see a brand new member who is outspoken. A little outspoken and comfortable, as if he/she has been posting here before.

 

[metaphysician]

Marvel heroes have their own mythoi, yes. However, they tend to have a lot more common elements, too: if nothing else, most Marvel comics end up set partially or wholly in New York City. They have their own rogue's galleries, but there is often a lot of ambiguity over who goes with who, as they trade and share villains a lot more than Marvel. There are organizations like SHIELD that are major supporting elements of the setting that show up everywhere. The concept of "calling in support" gets used a lot more, the best example being how absolutely everybody has at least one comic storyline where they go to Dr Strange for help with something mystical.

Does this preexisting base mean the movie writers had no work to do? No, not at all. However, it gives them a very strong starting point for building a combined *movie* setting, because the *comic* setting itself is very well combined and has been for decades. DC has some of these elements, but generally to a much lesser extent: different cities, very little villain sharing, relatively few team-ups and crossovers ( that stretch beyond a character's own supporting cast ) outside of actual team comics.

Again, I'm not saying a movie can't be done. I'm saying this is one more obstacle to doing a *good* JLA movie. And I'd appreciate it if retorts don't spend all their time babbling about power levels, seeing as I'm not and haven't ever been talking about power levels.

 

[C. Lee]

Damn, what a nice comeback. That comeback really makes me believe that DC movies are actually a threat to Marvel movies brah; thanks for opening my eyes.

Thanks for opening my eyes to another troll....bye bye troll......

 

[Cain]

Oh, you mean like.....all those Marvel Heroes? I mean, Stark's got Pepper and Happy and hangs out in L.A. mostly. Hulk's Got Betty and Thunderbolt Ross and tends to stick to the remote regions of the planet. Thor's got Jane and Kat Dennings boobs in Oklahoma plus that summer house in Asgard. They have individual supporting casts. They live in different cities, countries....dimensional planes of existence.

How exactly is that any different from, say Batman and Alfred in Gotham? Or Supes and Lois, Jimmy, and Perry in Metropolis?

I mean, are you people actually aware that these characters have lived in the same universe, interacted, teamed up, and actually had teams called the Justice League, the Justice Society, hell, even Batman and the Outsiders, for like, 80 some odd years?

To say that they can't interact is like.....I mean.....I honestly don't understand the thought process behind these words that you people are typing. You wanna connect em in movies, then you....connect them. Like say, having a singular character show up in all the movies? You know, building towards a connected film.........Wow, I must be a genius. That whole thing is unheard of...oh wait, I believe that's exactly what they did with the Avengers.

Hmmm, point is, WTFM? Seriously? I mean he's a troll. He's just trying to get a rise outta people, but you seem like a bright fella. You are aware that Marvel. DC. There's no difference. No one company is any more better equipped to handle a shared universe than the other. Avengers is just as "overpowered" (Which is a whole other boos**t thing I don't feel like getting into.) as the League. Why must everybody go all Mac vs PC with everything? As long as you can look at porn and download illegal music it doesn't matter.

 

[The Guard]

WATCHMEN's reveal that

Spoiler

Veidt is behind everything really shouldn't be all that shocking if you've been paying attention to the graphic novel. He's an elitist ******* right from the start. He has a reason to hate The Comedian. He has the resources to pull it off. By villains standards, its pretty obvious. By the time Nite Owl and Rorschach investigate Karnak, simply based on the tone of the story, the fact that Veidt is behind everything (before they ever find out) should be obvious to a careful reader.

Whether audiences suspected Veidt as behind it all isn't really the point. More to the point is the fact that he does not fit the mold of the traditional villain. That his actions, as horrible as they are, may have saved the world. They weren't exactly trying to hide the fact that he was a villain in the film, nor should they have, really. He was an 80's businessman and at odds with the other heroes on some level. Of course he is the villain. They were hiding the nature of his villainy. Turning the expectations audiences have on their head.

And the JLA members having distinct mythologies, locations and supporting cast to weave together is a challenge, but it's also a major strength. The Avengers are fighting in New York. The JLA can choose from Gotham, Metropolis, Central City/Keystone City, Coast City, Colorado, Themyscira, or Mars. The way Marvel has weaved together the Avengers films has been fun, and somewhat satisfying, but not exactly complex. Very point to point, with a few cameos and connections from film to film. A JLA film wouldn't be any more or less difficult to conceive and write. It might even be easier since there doesn't need to be as much buildup to bringing unknown heroes together. WB could easily make a JLA film and then spin off solo films if its massively successful.

 

[roach]

I dont understand why Marvel fanbois don't think anyone else can do a joined universe. To be honest Marvel wasn't the first...or the first with a planned universe...hell Kevin Smith did it with all his Viewaskew movies

 

[The Morningstar]

It's a bit different with little indie movies and big summer blockbusters. The View Askew movies weren't really interconnected story lines either, they just took place in the same universe and had cameos from other characters from other movies.

I do love Kevin Smith's earlier work though.