Where did DC/WB go wrong? - Part 1

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Really sort of. I can't tell you what your opinion is but Green Lantern is an atrocious film that should've never been made. Hulk wasn't very good come act III, but overall not a bad film.

I don't think anything shouldn't be made, because anything you make someone will enjoy and I'd never to deprive anyone of that. But Hulk ****ing blew. Green Lantern was a perfectly good, fun movie. But of course, it's cool not to like it so every detail has to be awful. :whatever:
 
I don't think anything shouldn't be made, because anything you make someone will enjoy and I'd never to deprive anyone of that. But Hulk ****ing blew. Green Lantern was a perfectly good, fun movie. But of course, it's cool not to like it so every detail has to be awful. :whatever:
Every detail is awful. It shouldn't have been made, not like that. Did they read that script before filming it? I have to really wonder. It's atrocious. Hal's flashback featuring his father reminded me of the flashback sequences in Airplane!. In fact Hal's character is almost identical to Airplane!'s main character. There is no chemistry between Blake and Ryan onscreen, it's like watching two people who just had an awkward one night stand. There is literally no emotional center to the movie either. Why is Hal chosen again? Because he's a d***? They did a good job establishing he's a d*** who leans on his friends, and his grand catharsis is where? It never happens. He just snaps in and out of emotional states with no transition whatsoever. All the relationships felt like that. I never once gave a sh**. An ocean liner could've fallen from the sky and killed every character with zero emotional impact. Fun??? Unless I can picture myself having "fun" with those characters I cannot have "fun" watching them. If I had to spend two minutes with any of those one dimensional caricatures in real life, I'd be forced to hang myself.
 
GL is at the same place where Hulk was after failure of Ang Lee's Hulk.

I agree.

I have no doubt GL will be re-booted. Maybe sooner than some think.

It probably won't get a sequel though RR is vague on this.

WB spent 200 million to make GL because WB believes it's a potential huge film franchiase. That GL didn't pan doesn't take away from it's ultimate potential if/when done right.

Unlike say Superman. After SR WB determined Superman wasn't finacially feasible as a film franchise and ended it.

This is not happening with GL however. A GL w/RR sequel may not happen but no way is WB gonna shelve GL as they've done with Superman.
 
As moronic as Optimus_Prime is, I have to say, I too find Hulk marginally better than GL.

As I just posted in the Hulk vs. TIH thread, Hulk at least tries to be a genuinely good film - more to the caliber of TDK than Ghost Rider, etc. it, of course, fails to do that due to a lackluster script and some pretty hammy acting on Nolte's part. But there's still some very high quality aspects of the film; the cinematography, acting, art direction, score, editing, etc.

I didn't find GL to have any of those qualities. It didn't even try to be great. At best, it would've been on the level of Spider-Man or Iron Man; definitively "fun" movies, but also pretty devoid of any great level of depth. The cinematography was average, the art director and set design looked down right cheap, it had a very forgettable score, absolutely dreadful editing, and while I'm one of the few who like RR, except for Mark Strong, none of the actors' performances were all that impressive.
 
Every detail is awful.
That's pretty much impossible.

It shouldn't have been made, not like that. Did they read that script before filming it? I have to really wonder. It's atrocious.
It's not perfect or great, but atrocious I feel is an overstatement.

Hal's flashback featuring his father reminded me of the flashback sequences in Airplane!. In fact Hal's character is almost identical to Airplane!'s main character.
I don't see it, but if you say so.

There is no chemistry between Blake and Ryan onscreen, it's like watching two people who just had an awkward one night stand.
Things were supposed to be awkward between them at first.

And there was plenty of chemistry, they are a real couple after all.

There is literally no emotional center to the movie either.
Hal's doubt, his unwillingness to be open about having such doubts, his getting over that and being open about the doubts and fears, then finally overcoming them.

Why is Hal chosen again?
For the reasons they said. The bravery thing, the overcoming fear thing.

Because he's a d***? They did a good job establishing he's a d*** who leans on his friends,
When does he lean on his friends? And what does he do that's dicklike? Destroys the planes? While doing the job he was told to do?

and his grand catharsis is where? It never happens. He just snaps in and out of emotional states with no transition whatsoever.
Yeah... There's nothing in the movie pushing Hal to overcome the doubts about himself... Besides the gigantic monster eating his planet and not having any help in the matter. Hal's been skating by his entire life, but with Hector and Parallax he was the only that could do anything, he had to step up. They said Hal had the power to overcome fear, this movie was about him doing just that. To protect Carol, his family, his friends, everyone.

All the relationships felt like that. I never once gave a sh**. An ocean liner could've fallen from the sky and killed every character with zero emotional impact.
Fair enough. But I think if that happened the only emotion present would be confusion anyway.

Fun??? Unless I can picture myself having "fun" with those characters I cannot have "fun" watching them.
OK then.

If I had to spend two minutes with any of those one dimensional caricatures in real life, I'd be forced to hang myself.
Kind of... Over-dramatic.

While you can argue the quality of the details you said were missing, they were definitely there. Different strokes for different folks, so whatever. I enjoy chatting about things I love on here, unfortunately when it comes to Green Lantern it's always defending it. I love it, I'll always love it. My close circle of friends all enjoyed it too, so I have no reason to complain.
 
I think Hulk would have been a better film without the crazy editing
 
I liked the editing myself, but even if I didn't, that was hardly the biggest flaw of the film.
 
I liked the editing myself, but even if I didn't, that was hardly the biggest flaw of the film.

while i know its not the biggest flaw...its the one thing most people who watch movies for fun had an issue with
 
Really? That bothered them more than like the solid hour of exposition and psychobabble that comprises the film?
 
You mean Marvel will buy GL's rights back and make one last solo movie for him so he can appear in the Avengers?
Omit buying back the rights and replace Avengers with Justice League and you got it! :o
 
You mean Marvel will buy GL's rights back and make one last solo movie for him so he can appear in the Avengers?

Actually, the WB/DC has taken the property to the small screen for now. He already makes appearances with the Justice league in the animated movies.
 
Green Lantern is getting a tv show right now that from the first episode seems to be really good, if kids like it enough i think that they should try a reboot in some years from now, when those kids are teenagers and want to get a sence of nostalgia, that's one of the reasons why X-Men and Transformers made so much success.

Green Lantern should keep franchising itself with comics and TV Shows, after some time you can start anew, before that time WB can try other possible franchises with the other original Justice League members.

I think that the first bets should be Wonder Woman and Flash, WW because Refn seems to be interested, he's a great director and it would be interesting to see him try a diferent genre of movies, with a property he seems to like, that can seem like a possible campbell on Green Lantern disaster but it's a risk that needs to be taken if people really want to see her on screen.

I mentioned The Flash because it would be a cheaper movie, and not as big a risk, he may even have spider-man's potential, in least the same appeal, a hero that likes what he does, a genius in his oun right as shoun by some devices he created. His rogue gallery is full of colorful villains, but some would be interesting to see, something new about them is that most of Flash's enemies don't really like to kill and have an honor code

Aquaman is an unexplored property that if done right it can be really epic, true Star Wars underwater, but underwater scenes would be a bit expencive, i can imagine many time being spent out of water but this film needs a big budget, so WW and Flash are what can open the doors to this film.
 
Green Lantern is getting a tv show right now that from the first episode seems to be really good, if kids like it enough i think that they should try a reboot in some years from now, when those kids are teenagers and want to get a sence of nostalgia, that's one of the reasons why X-Men and Transformers made so much success.

Green Lantern should keep franchising itself with comics and TV Shows, after some time you can start anew, before that time WB can try other possible franchises with the other original Justice League members.

I think that the first bets should be Wonder Woman and Flash, WW because Refn seems to be interested, he's a great director and it would be interesting to see him try a diferent genre of movies, with a property he seems to like, that can seem like a possible campbell on Green Lantern disaster but it's a risk that needs to be taken if people really want to see her on screen.

I mentioned The Flash because it would be a cheaper movie, and not as big a risk, he may even have spider-man's potential, in least the same appeal, a hero that likes what he does, a genius in his oun right as shoun by some devices he created. His rogue gallery is full of colorful villains, but some would be interesting to see, something new about them is that most of Flash's enemies don't really like to kill and have an honor code

Aquaman is an unexplored property that if done right it can be really epic, true Star Wars underwater, but underwater scenes would be a bit expencive, i can imagine many time being spent out of water but this film needs a big budget, so WW and Flash are what can open the doors to this film.

You make good points.

With the GL TV show I don't expect an immediate reboot but can see one in 5 or 6 years.

It seems WBs' pattern is to do one superhero/DC film per year. It may not be hard and fast and I'm not sure they will do one in 2014.

IMO WB definitely will do something for 2015 and it will likely be Flash or WW.

2016 will be a rebooted Batman. No way they let that franchise go w/o a film for more than 4 years.

Then voila, GL reboot in 2017. A 6 year wait which sort of matches the Spiderman wait the Raimi incarnation nd the new incarnation this year.
 
I think Green Lantern is easier to salvage than Hulk was. Everybody knows who Hulk is, so when he has a movie people don't like it is hard to get them back to another film just a few years later. Most people thought Incredible Hulk was a sequel, not a reboot, and it is very hard to get that information out there no matter how hard you try. Batman Begins had the same problem.

But Green Lantern is not nearly as well known and the public viewed it as more of a Ryan Reynolds movie than a big time superhero film. It was more like Iron Man, except Iron Man worked because Robert Downey Jr. is a far, far better actor than Reynolds is. Do the next Green Lantern with John Stewart as the lead and make it look as different as reasonably possible and people probably won't even recognize it as being the same series. A badass black superhero will be more unique and have more mass appeal than Van Wilder and his whacky fratboy hijinks.
 
Iron Man also worked because it was a far, far better movie than GL in general. RDJ definitely added to that of course.
 
Green Lantern was one of the worst films I have ever seen. If that gets rebooted in the next decade I will be shocked. Absolutely horrible.
 
Green Lantern was one of the worst films I have ever seen. If that gets rebooted in the next decade I will be shocked. Absolutely horrible.

It's an awkwardly made film that felt like it belongs in the 90's.
 
Agreed. Martin Campbell was just a hired hand with no affinity for the character. Paint by numbers. A failure from conception.

It would be cool to see a Kyle Raynor GL film though.
 
Green Lantern was one of the worst films I have ever seen. If that gets rebooted in the next decade I will be shocked. Absolutely horrible.


Assuming WB will do 1 superhero film per year from 2015 on, leaving GL out of that equation does not make sense to me.

Of all the JL characters only GL, IMO, can do huge numbers. Not a billion like Bats, but say 500 - 600 million like IM.

I'd love to see Flash and WW on the big-screen and I think we will but these are not to me mega-franchises. At best they are Thor like franchises. 450 million or so. And that ain't bad. Thor is getting quick sequels.

I just don't see how WB doesn't do a GL reboot w/in 10 years.

Unless WB goes with it's secondary characters. Those films would be cheaper to make and I think, aside from GL and Bats, WB will find it's next mega-franchise from one of these.

Top of the list - Shazam. It has the potential to be another Spiderman.

Next decade?

2015 - Flash
2016 - Batman reboot
2017 - WW, if not a GL reboot
2018 - Flash 2
2019 - Batman reboot 2
2020 - Shazaam
2021 - WW 2
2022 - Batman reboot 3

There. I did a full decade ahead for WB w/o including GL. However, I think a GL reboot will come around a lot quicker than many think.
 
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Green Lantern was one of the worst films I have ever seen. If that gets rebooted in the next decade I will be shocked. Absolutely horrible.

um thats what happens to horrible movies...they get rebooted
 
There's a lot of hyperbole about GREEN LANTERN. It has several subpar elements, but it's not overall a bad film. It will either get a sequel in the next few years, or it will get nothing for a while. I don't see a reboot happening with it, at least not anytime soon. WB is either going to commit to the character, or they aren't. The approach to the basics of the mythology aren't what created the weaknesses of the film. The concept of Green Lantern and his world was sound. It was the actual execution of that concept in places by the creative teams and the choice of villains that were the issues. It doesn't need a total teardown or a reboot. It just needs a stronger villain (Sinestro), more space mythology, and a slightly more serious approach.
 
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I think GL could have been that huge franchise, but the ball was dropped and most people do not have an appetite for another IMO. And to do justice to GL you need a massive budget. Wouldn't they be gun-shy with what just happened? Now if WB makes a really epic JL film and redeems the character in what could be a massively successful film, then perhaps it may be moved up on their slate.

If Snyder's MOS doesn't flame out, then you have to think that sequels will be on their radar before trying to resurrect a GL franschise.

I see Shazam as Thor at best.
 
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