Where did DC/WB go wrong? - Part 1

[Ultimatehero]

That shared universe equates needing events to tie them together. You've even implied as much. When in fact it's just the character's progression. And obviously not because many just note events rather than consistency in character.

the recognition paragraph seriously makes me question everything you type. A character is changing. Flash at the end of Flash isn't the same as the beginning, the Flash at the end of JLA wouldn't be who he was at the beginning. Recognizable, duh! I mean, really? Progression from film to film along a shared universe platform has NOTHING to do with knowing Flash is Flash. It's his progression/arc being maintained

JLA2 note is about if shared universe. It wouldn't delete the complications that arise from leading into a JL1. It would just be delaying it. How is that difficult to understand the same issues would be there, still leading into if shared universe. start however you want, just it wouldn't make things less complicated or different.

Um, dude - basically explaining production companies as studios. WB can take back the rights from anyone they handed them to. Re-read it, you'll see. the more minute details are off.

Not really. As said few meetings. But knowledge on other films within their own company is not what somebody would expect. You'd be surprised, I was, so I know how it sounds.

And to communicate. As said - changes need to be made. Ex: material is confidential to other production companies with DC properties.

 

[jmc]

Just sounded like original complain was the wait time, 'just make them!' Or could have misread.
Most common 'fan complaint.'

'Just make them' in the sense of just worry about making the movies and making them good and not about whether things connect or not. I've got all the time in the world.

 

[The Guard]

That shared universe equates needing events to tie them together. You've even implied as much. When in fact it's just the character's progression. And obviously not because many just note events rather than consistency in character.

I have? I think I've implied and stated the opposite.

You don't need events to tie the solo films to the shared films.

the recognition paragraph seriously makes me question everything you type. A character is changing. Flash at the end of Flash isn't the same as the beginning, the Flash at the end of JLA wouldn't be who he was at the beginning. Recognizable, duh! I mean, really?

Why? Are you confused?

Well, in JUSTICE LEAGUE: MORTAL, The Flash at the end was dead, and Wally, so you are correct. No, he wouldn't be the same at the end of a film in the sense that if he was a real person, he would have experienced some changes/events in his life and perhaps his persona, but neither would he be likely to have changed so much that he couldn't show up in a solo film and not be recognizeable as The Flash. Without giving me a specific example, again, this type of issue means nothing to me.

Progression from film to film along a shared universe platform has NOTHING to do with knowing Flash is Flash. It's his progression/arc being maintained

I never said it did.

If he is going to progress as a character, then yes, his arc should be maintained. But again, without speficics, this doesn't really mean anything in context. My point is that even if Flash changes...he's not going to change so much that people will be confused if he shows up in a JL film, especially if they're careful about the changes he goes through.

Your argument seems to be that if Flash changed in a certain way in JUSTICE LEAGUE, that come FLASH 2, this would present an issue?

Ok. I get that. But how could he change? What issue would it present?

That's what I'm asking you to clarify.

JLA2 note is about if shared universe. It wouldn't delete the complications that arise from leading into a JL1. It would just be delaying it. How is that difficult to understand the same issues would be there, still leading into if shared universe. start however you want, just it wouldn't make things less complicated or different.

You keep making vague statements about issues and complications...without actually pointing out what they are, besides "CHARACTER, DUDE! STORY!"

What issues? What complications? Work with me here. I know what they are likely to be, but what specific issues and complications do you feel would pose an actual problem if we were to see a JL film, then THE FLASH, and then JL2 with The Flash in it?

Um, dude - basically explaining production companies as studios. WB can take back the rights from anyone they handed them to. Re-read it, you'll see. the more minute details are off.

Again...if you don't quote me, I often have no idea what you're referring to, or what the context of your statements are. Do you know how to quote people?

 

[Breogan]

Looks like WB, Geoff Johns and DC have finally got their act together, and committed to putting together a Justice League project worthy of the name, and to stand against the Avengers media explosion.
They should be proud! -http://www.superherohype.com/news/a...nnounced-for-robot-chickens-dc-comics-special

How DC sees itself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AOI79rLovI&feature=player_embedded

 

[Ultimatehero]

I'm not talking about any specific example, alright lamen terms... IF shared universe...

Flash 1
JLA
Flash 2

You wouldn't have the character at the same point in his life, character arc, through all three films. Obviously.

There is where you run into difficulty and you'd still have said difficulty and complications with...

JLA
Flash 1
JLA 2

Obviously. Can't be any clearer than that.

In order to need to be careful about changes.... ding ding ding.... COMMUNICATION!

You would run into the same complications starting with JLA as you would leading into it IF shared universe. Stand-alone JLA with no ties to the solo films is a completely different thing and has NO complications about it (unless it uses the same cast which you can just see them saying now: "yes, Bale plays Batman in both - but JLA Batman has absolutely nothing outside of character name to do with solo Batman, it's two different universes with nothing in common outside of character name, actor and his physical appearance!").

It seems you get that part, just not the wording and what it would take to ensure that IF shared universe. It would be the options after the above # 1.

It's not what happens to the character. I have no idea how you think I'm saying that. All I know about JLA is stand-alone series with different actors, that's all. Know that past, now, and future so you won't get confused again. I'm saying for those careful considerations in keeping whatever arc it is consistent IF shared universe you need communication and that it doesn't matter where JLA is placed in the line - the same complications and needing to pay careful consideration comes into account.

Not really into quoting, but that was an explanation of what cain got wrong/confused about.

NOW ABOUT COMMUNICATION:

1) Executives and VPs often know little else beyond their ONE film that they are working on individually, and very very little about the film their co-worker is working on.
2) Production companies don't communicate, they're all practically strangers to each other. Their films are kept confidential even from the higher-ups in other various related production companies.
3) Right now the difficulty of getting a DC film made is having three heads, adding more will likely make it even more difficult, but okay - let's say do that anyways. There are other things that need to get fixed such as finding a means to get everyone on the same page. And making knowledge about these properties accessible to those working within WB at higher levels of creative command (executives, Vice President). So there are changes that need to be implemented to have the communication open which it is currently not.
4) #1 is probably due to some reason that I'm unaware of, the most obvious one is that their schedules are hectic which doesn't give them the amount of time needed to have detailed meetings like other companies outside of the film industry. Most meetings they do have is about WHAT OTHER SCRIPTS/PROPERTIES TO PURCHASE - detailed story development is left solely to the person charge of whatever film they are behind. Plus not too mention the VPs would be spear-heading another blockbuster project while keeping the creative development side afloat alongside trying to get their DC heads together - overall this would likely cause further delay. Possible? Yes. Anything is. Beyond complicated and maybe bringing other conflicts into play? Without a doubt. As said changes need to come into play if one wants a shared universe. A stand alone JLA film with no ties to the solo films = remarkably easy and simple in comparison, which is why that's the route WB initially took rather than casting Bale & Routh in their possible JLA film years ago.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Looks like WB, Geoff Johns and DC have finally got their act together, and committed to putting together a Justice League project worthy of the name, and to stand against the Avengers media explosion.
They should be proud! -http://www.superherohype.com/news/a...nnounced-for-robot-chickens-dc-comics-special

Dude! You punk'd or rick rolled us!

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

he punk roll'd us.

 

[spider-neil]

people are talking about building up the characters for JL. why?
superman, batman and wonderwoman are some of the most iconic characters on the planet and the general audience has 'maybe' some passing knowledge of aquaman, flash and green lantern.

they shouldn't bother with the solo movies that tease with an after credits clip, they should just make a justice league movie and fill in the blanks IN THE MOVIE.

DC is currently getting taken to the cleaners with the only character making them money being batman. they need another hit that doesn't have 'dark' or 'knight' or 'batman' in the title and I'm not convinced that will be man of steel

 

[Gamma Burst]

people are talking about building up the characters for JL. why?
superman, batman and wonderwoman are some of the most iconic characters on the planet and the general audience has 'maybe' some passing knowledge of aquaman, flash and green lantern.

they shouldn't bother with the solo movies that tease with an after credits clip, they should just make a justice league movie and fill in the blanks IN THE MOVIE.

DC is currently getting taken to the cleaners with the only character making them money being batman. they need another hit that doesn't have 'dark' or 'knight' or 'batman' in the title and I'm not convinced that will be man of steel

True. Yeah, it won't be MOS.

 

[HighFivingMF]

True. Yeah, it won't be MOS.

No, odds are it'll make a pretty penny. They're expecting Begins-type numbers and good word of mouth then go for the big numbers with the sequel like Nolan's Bat movies.

 

[Gamma Burst]

They're expecting too much.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Don't think they're expecting big numbers this time around. Amazing Spider-Man is likely to show that reboots are all lower than their predecessors - the gold is in the sequel. Or at least that seems to be the pattern from Batman Begins.

 

[HighFivingMF]

They're expecting too much.

Or you're expecting too little?

 

[Rockstar]

Warner Bros: The Movie.

Since the drama behind the scenes is more interesting than anything they put onscreen.


Starring:


Leonardo DiCaprio as Christoper Nolan 'The Messiah'

Jackie Earl Haley as Jeff Robinov

Johnny Depp as Tim Burton

Jack Black as Geoff Johns

Sean Hayes as Bryan Singer

Ian McKellen as Joel Schumacher

Tom Berenger as Jon Peters

Kevin Smith as Kevin Smith

 

[craigdbfan]

I'd watch it.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

True. Yeah, it won't be MOS.

And you know this how? Oh right, you don't.

Christopher Nolan's name alone guarantees 400 million at the box office for MoS.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Warner Bros: The Movie.

Since the drama behind the scenes is more interesting than anything they put onscreen.


Starring:


Leonardo DiCaprio as Christoper Nolan 'The Messiah'

Jackie Earl Haley as Jeff Robinov

Johnny Depp as Tim Burton

Jack Black as Geoff Johns

Sean Hayes as Bryan Singer

Ian McKellen as Joel Schumacher

Tom Berenger as Jon Peters

Kevin Smith as Kevin Smith

Movie event of year. I see six oscars.

 

[Gamma Burst]

And you know this how? Oh right, you don't.

Christopher Nolan's name alone guarantees 400 million at the box office for MoS.

Delusions of a nolanite...

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Delusions of a nolanite...

Delusions?

You're obviously either ignorant or doltish. Christopher Nolan is a brand name nowadays.

A teaser before TDKR will get that point across.

However, if you're so confident in your words/predictions, then I propose a sig bet. You up to it?

 

[Gamma Burst]

Delusions?

You're obviously either ignorant or doltish. Christopher Nolan is a brand name nowadays.

A teaser before TDKR will get that point across.

However, if you're so confident in your words/predictions, then I propose a sig bet. You up to it?

I'm neither, I can assure you. I have a brain, quite good one, unlike you.
And sig bets? How old are you?

 

[Ultimatehero]

Dude, there is no way it's making 400 mill. That number is PUSHING it way too far.

It's going to have skeptical audiences way of it due to 'Superman Returns' like all other reboots and response, HOWEVER Nolan's name will likely (hopefully) off set that. But there is no way it will break 400 domestic. I'm keeping modest in seeing it performing just okay due to SR, not getting hopes up. But 400 mill? No way.

It would be the THIRD superhero movie to do that. And for one right out of the gate? Not gonna happen. In the 350 mill range, possible. But no way is it going to be that big. I mean, you do realize what that number amount means in relation to the genre right? And that it would be the FIRST to open that high as a first film in a superhero franchise outside of Spider-Man 1?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm neither, I can assure you. I have a brain, quite good one, unlike you.
And sig bets? How old are you?

Really? I'm astonished.

Hey, I'm not the one making baseless claims here. If you truly believe in your prediction, then put your dignity on the line.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Dude, there is no way it's making 400 mill. That number is PUSHING it way too far.

It's going to have skeptical audiences way of it due to 'Superman Returns' like all other reboots and response, HOWEVER Nolan's name will likely (hopefully) off set that. But there is no way it will break 400 domestic. I'm keeping modest in seeing it performing just okay due to SR, not getting hopes up. But 400 mill? No way.

It would be the THIRD superhero movie to do that. And for one right out of the gate? Not gonna happen. In the 350 mill range, possible. But no way is it going to be that big.

Whoa, I never said 400 million DM. I meant 400 million WW.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Okay, that sounds a little more realistic lol. Hey, some Nolan die hards may have actually put it up there domestic saying since Spider-Man 1 did it, TDK did it, and TDKR is likely to do it - Superman could possibly do it, without taking into account Spidey 1 was kinda lightning in a bottle (I'd say a large part due to 9/11 and needing a hero at that time) and the other due to being sequels (TDK, cultural).

 

[Micromind]

Warner Bros: The Movie.

Since the drama behind the scenes is more interesting than anything they put onscreen.


Starring:


Leonardo DiCaprio as Christoper Nolan 'The Messiah'

Jackie Earl Haley as Jeff Robinov

Johnny Depp as Tim Burton

Jack Black as Geoff Johns

Sean Hayes as Bryan Singer

Ian McKellen as Joel Schumacher

Tom Berenger as Jon Peters

Kevin Smith as Kevin Smith