Which Green Lantern should be used? - Part 2

[Johnny]

They can have Jordan and Stewart in the 2020 movie and bring the rest in the sequels. After all this movie universe is going to grow as time passes, I doubt we would see only one GL as more movies come out.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Don't you think if they were all in the movie it would feel over packed and like the film didn't quite know who it's main character is.

Guardians of the Galaxy worked in part because of it's numerous featured characters and the massive scope of the storytelling. Green Lantern should be done in a similar fashion because the Corps is its biggest strength.

 

[the last son]

Donald Glover

 

[Lantern Venom]

Since it looks like Jordan is being set up on The Flash, it would be nice to see another Lantern in JL (although I'm sure Guy won't be used) to give him some mainstream exposure.

 

[Johnny]

Well, from what I understand Ezra Miller's Flash would be Barry too, so why not have Hal both in the shows and the movies? Yes, I'm a greedy fanboy.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Since it looks like Jordan is being set up on The Flash, it would be nice to see another Lantern in JL (although I'm sure Guy won't be used) to give him some mainstream exposure.

Give me a movie based on Emerald Twilight with Kyle or John !!!

McConaughey as Hal Jordan/Parallax!

 

[DOBSON10]

Personally I think they've already decided to use John Stewart for the Justice League movies. They have been setting up the arrival of Hal Jordan on Arrow for awhile now with all the hints and they've blocked the Arrow TV show from using many characters that they have other plans for. They blocked any use of Batman, Wonder Woman or Superman. They've written the Suicide Squad characters off the show. They backed out of letting them use Harley Quinn. They blocked them from using Ted Kord. If Hal shows up on Arrow at this point I think it's a pretty good bet they will go with Stewart for the Justice League movies.

The one exception seems to be Barry Allen, but my guess is that's because when they decided to greenlight The Flash TV Show there wasn't a concrete plan for a Flash movie yet. I don't think they would be adding Hal to the Arrow TV show if he was going to be the main Green Lantern in the movies. They probably would have made them use one of the other Lanterns for Arrow if Hal was going to be in the movies. Now, by 2020, they may introduce Hal into the Lantern solo movie because by then Arrow may be done with the character, barring them making a Green Lantern spin off show.

Very disappointing news for me if this turns out to be true. Hal Jordan is by far my favorite Green Lantern and I was really hoping to see him as a founding member of the Justice League. I guess it's possible they could use Hal for both but I'm wouldn't bet on it given embargo history and how they wrote the Suicide Squad characters off the show because of the upcoming movie.

 

[Johnny]

Well, those are good points and I believe you might turn out to be totally right. But at the same time, who's to say that Jordan isn't another "exception", as well. After all he is a major character who in the grand scheme of things is obviously more important than Deadshot, Ted Kord or Harley Quinn. Also, those references towards him in the Arrow/Flash universe have been going on practically since the beginning. It's not something that started in recent months, they've been teasing Ferris Air or Coast City since the first season, when the DCCU still wasn't planned. So like you said, if we're going to have two Barrys, who says we can't have two Hals as well. That doesn't mean John is off the table, I'm all for him showing up in the stand-alone movie or setting him up in the JLA movies. Hal and John can be featured simultaneously the way Iron Man and War Machine are in the MCU.

Whatever ends up happening, I think the TV version is going to be very restricted. Not just in terms of visual effects, but overall character presentation. DC has indeed always been infamous for all the restrictions they give their television shows, so if Hal does appear on these shows, they would probably tell the producers they can't use the Green Lantern name or he can't become GL at all, or they can't use this or that character because they "have plans for them", etc. It's probably going to be the test pilot Hal Jordan featured in the next season's flashback story without anything about his future life as a superhero, or the majority of his lore.

 

[Raphi]

I am 110% against John being the main Lantern in Justice League/2020.

I don't have any particularly strong feelings towards the character one way or the other, but I seriously think not making Hal the main guy is just wrong.

It'd be like rebooting Spider-Man with Morales, or Batman with Terry McGuinness. It can work, sure. For those two it'd actually be pretty cool. But John isn't the character that represents the character/universe the most, and Hal hasn't even been done right onscreen yet. Or had a decent movie, at least.

 

[Johnny]

I want them to do Hal justice as well, but at this point in time I've pretty much lost hope. At the end of the day WB would do what they feel like is best for their business. John Stewart is arguably DC's most popular minority character and he was prominently featured in a hugely influential animated series. Usually I'm not a fan of people using that show to glorify him, because that's basically his only claim to fame, but at end of the day it is what it is. Before the show came out, the Green Lantern concept was pretty much unknown in other media, and people happened to be exposed to the John Stewart version of that concept. The 2011 abomination pretty much turned Hal into a laughing stock and sadly its repercussions are still prevalent to this day. Even though Hal is still DC's "main" Green Lantern, you can see that they are still somewhat reluctant to promote him. For example, whenever he is featured on a new animated project he is never depicted on the box art. It's always like "Oh and Green Lantern is there, too". Stewart is clearly an easier choice for WB. Obviously plenty of things can happen by the time the 2020 reboot comes out, but the fact remains that WB completely wiped their @$$ with Hal. I don't think they even know how to treat the character right, to be honest with you. The best I hope for is for him to be featured in the Arrow/Flash universe. I think they would do him justice there.

 

[Tymminator]

I want Hal first, but I want John, Kyle and Guy introduced.

 

[brainchild81]

I am 110% against John being the main Lantern in Justice League/2020.

I don't have any particularly strong feelings towards the character one way or the other, but I seriously think not making Hal the main guy is just wrong.

It'd be like rebooting Spider-Man with Morales, or Batman with Terry McGuinness. It can work, sure. For those two it'd actually be pretty cool. But John isn't the character that represents the character/universe the most, and Hal hasn't even been done right onscreen yet. Or had a decent movie, at least.

This stuff again. It wouldn't be like the examples you gave at all. Spider-Man & Batman are icons. They both caught on with the general audience. Hal isn't and he hasn't. They don't belong to a massive corps of people w/the same abilities. Hal does. They aren't easily replaced. Hal is, regardless of how much some here may like him. We've already seen a JL where John was the main Lantern and it was GREAT. Better & more popular than ever. Hal's fans complained, but it didn't really matter because there's simply not enough of them. It was a good decision then, it's an even better one now. Despite what many wanted & expected them to do after John was cast for JL:Mortal, DC took their shot w/Hal & it failed. It's time for John to get a chance.

 

[Johnny]

"There's simply not enough of them"? The notion that Hal has weak following is not only inaccurate, but ignorant as well. It's 2015 and a lot more people know about Hal today than they did during the JLU days. Also, movie studios don't exactly base these decisions on what "the fandom" says, if they did, they would've fired Affleck after that fiasco started last year. I mentioned in my previous comment that it makes sense for them to go with Stewart this time, but don't try to discredit Jordan. WB has acknowledged before that the failure of the movie was due to their execution of the property, not the character. At the end of the day they would make what they consider to be the right move. If they feel like they have to redeem Hal due to his importance in the GL mythos and status as a founding member of the JL, they will try to do so. If they feel like going in a totally opposite direction with someone else, they will.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

This stuff again. It wouldn't be like the examples you gave at all. Spider-Man & Batman are icons. They both caught on with the general audience. Hal isn't and he hasn't. They don't belong to a massive corps of people w/the same abilities. Hal does. They aren't easily replaced. Hal is, regardless of how much some here may like him. We've already seen a JL where John was the main Lantern and it was GREAT. Better & more popular than ever. Hal's fans complained, but it didn't really matter because there's simply not enough of them. It was a good decision then, it's an even better one now. Despite what many wanted & expected them to do after John was cast for JL:Mortal, DC took their shot w/Hal & it failed. It's time for John to get a chance.

I think he was just talking about what he'd personally want.

But yeah if we're talking about the business perspective, Hal is not in the same category as Peter and Bruce Wayne.

 

[DOBSON10]

"There's simply not enough of them"? The notion that Hal has weak following is not only inaccurate, but ignorant as well. It's 2015 and a lot more people know about Hal today than they did during the JLU days. Also, movie studios don't exactly base these decisions on what "the fandom" says, if they did, they would've fired Affleck after that fiasco started last year. I mentioned in my previous comment that it makes sense for them to go with Stewart this time, but don't try to discredit Jordan. WB has acknowledged before that the failure of the movie was due to their execution of the property, not the character. At the end of the day they would make what they consider to be the right move. If they feel like they have to redeem Hal due to his importance in the GL mythos and status as a founding member of the JL, they will try to do so. If they feel like going in a totally opposite direction with someone else, they will.

Brainchild81 has an irrational hatred for Hal Jordan, don't mind him. He likes to pretend that John Stewart is more popular than Hal and that the only reason the 2011 movie failed is because they used Hal Jordan.

 

[Johnny]

Oh I'm well aware of the Jordan/Stewart fan wars. I try not to take them to heart, though it does annoy me sometimes. What would have me laugh my head off is if WB chooses neither one of them in the end. lol

 

[Rorschach2012]

Oh I'm well aware of the Jordan/Stewart fan wars. I try not to take them to heart, though it does annoy me sometimes. What would have me laugh my head off is if WB chooses neither one of them in the end. lol

I'd love it if they went with Kyle Rayner. Guy would be disappointing.

In order of who should be used in the JL movie: Hal, Kyle, John, Guy

 

[brainchild81]

"There's simply not enough of them"? The notion that Hal has weak following is not only inaccurate, but ignorant as well. It's 2015 and a lot more people know about Hal today than they did during the JLU days.

Not saying the following is weak. I hear it's pretty strong by comic book standards, but all their *****ing amounted to nothing in the end. The show rolled on and on season after season(still on Netflix too) w/John & w/out Hal. Those same folks likely ran out to see Hal's film. Couldn't save it from failure. If they do the right thing like they should've done years ago& give John a film, I have no doubts that some of Hal's fans'll ***** again...w/the same effectiveness. Comic book fans are a small demographic compared to general audience cartoon watchers & even smaller compared to general audience moviegoers.

I mentioned in my previous comment that it makes sense for them to go with Stewart this time, but don't try to discredit Jordan. WB has acknowledged before that the failure of the movie was due to their execution of the property, not the character.

Not trying to discredit anything. Hal's film failed. Period. Regardless of why.

On a side note, I'd like to see WB acknowledgement. Post-flop talk from them or anybody involved seemed very scarce at the time. I was expecting to see some good old fashioned finger pointing like I remember w/J.Hex.

At the end of the day they would make what they consider to be the right move. If they feel like they have to redeem Hal due to his importance in the GL mythos and status as a founding member of the JL, they will try to do so. If they feel like going in a totally opposite direction with someone else, they will.

No disagreement there. I just hope they'll provide as much distance from Hal's film as possible and choose John.

I think he was just talking about what he'd personally want.

But yeah if we're talking about the business perspective, Hal is not in the same category as Peter and Bruce Wayne.

Exactly. If he's just talking about he wants, I'm sorry if it looks like I jumped on him. I've just seen too much of people acting like he somehow deserves another chance because proven box-office draws like Supes & Bats got them.

Brainchild81 has an irrational hatred for Hal Jordan

lol. I'd say my extreme distaste for him is justified based on what I've experienced.

don't mind him. He likes to pretend that John Stewart is more popular than Hal and that the only reason the 2011 movie failed is because they used Hal Jordan.

John is arguably more popular because animated shows(especially ones like JL) get more exposure than comics and Hal's largest exposure outside of them was an extremely negative one.

I count Hal as one of multiple things that film had going against it. I don't remember saying he was the only reason his film failed. Care to quote me on that(using the quote function)? If not, we should probably just drop this now.

Oh I'm well aware of the Jordan/Stewart fan wars. I try not to take them to heart, though it does annoy me sometimes. What would have me laugh my head off is if WB chooses neither one of them in the end. lol

lol. I've seen the war rage on across the internet. Waaay worse in most places than it is here(most of Hal's more vicious fanboys are either banned now or just don't post here anymore). Mostly due to some of Hal's fans resorting to personal attacks when somebody disses him or simply praises John too much for them.

 

[DOBSON10]

lol. I'd say my extreme distaste for him is justified based on what I've experienced.

John is arguably more popular because animated shows(especially ones like JL) get more exposure than comics and Hal's largest exposure outside of them was an extremely negative one.

I count Hal as one of multiple things that film had going against it. I don't remember saying he was the only reason his film failed. Care to quote me on that(using the quote function)? If not, we should probably just drop this now.

Admittedly I was exaggerating as a bit of a joke, kind of. But it's clear you have an extreme bias on this topic. John is not more popular, though he does have a following as well. All of the 4 Lanterns have some sort of following, regardless of how small it may be. I have a bit of a biased opinion on this as well, I prefer Hal to be the main Green Lantern and also prefer Kyle over John. To each his own and all that but Hal is easily the best Green Lantern character to me.

That said, if I were in charge of the DCU, Hal would be introduced first as the main Green Lantern in the Justice League movies and then for the Green Lantern movie I would introduce Kyle, John and Guy. Any following Green Lantern movie would feature all 4 with Hal and John being co-leaders so to speak.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I am 110% against John being the main Lantern in Justice League/2020.

I don't have any particularly strong feelings towards the character one way or the other, but I seriously think not making Hal the main guy is just wrong.

It'd be like rebooting Spider-Man with Morales, or Batman with Terry McGuinness. It can work, sure. For those two it'd actually be pretty cool. But John isn't the character that represents the character/universe the most, and Hal hasn't even been done right onscreen yet. Or had a decent movie, at least.

I once heard it said that no matter how popular the other Lanterns are (and each has a strong following), Green Lantern is Hal Jordan's universe with everyone else as his supporting cast. That's a strong argument, especially when we consider that each titular character, with the exception of Alan, has his origin rooted in some kind of interaction with Hal. Even Alan was eventually brought into Hal's story and tweaked to fit into it.

I want Hal first, but I want John, Kyle and Guy introduced.

That's ultimately the way to go. Depending on what era a person read GL/JLA/JSA, he or she might have a different idea of who is the main GL. It's most likely Hal, but there have been a few short instances where a different character got equal or greater exposure. WB might as well use that to their advantage.

I think he was just talking about what he'd personally want.

But yeah if we're talking about the business perspective, Hal is not in the same category as Peter and Bruce Wayne.

Hal's iconic, many comic book characters are, but Bats, Supes, and Spidey are in a class by themselves.

I'd love it if they went with Kyle Rayner. Guy would be disappointing.

In order of who should be used in the JL movie: Hal, Kyle, John, Guy

Guy would be nearly impossible to do right off the bat. If he was introduced in a similar manner to the way he was on GL:TAS, that has possibilities.

Of course, if Kyle was announced to appear in any DC movie, I'd need smelling salts.

Brainchild81 has an irrational hatred for Hal Jordan, don't mind him. He likes to pretend that John Stewart is more popular than Hal and that the only reason the 2011 movie failed is because they used Hal Jordan.

Other Lanterns are more popular than Hal in some small circles, JL/JLU fans being one of them. However, Hal's had more print and non-print exposure than all of the other Lanterns combined. He's the most logical to appear, unless WB's plan is to put Hal on TV (which is almost a lock) and another Lantern in the movies.

 

[Johnny]

Not saying the following is weak. I hear it's pretty strong by comic book standards, but all their *****ing amounted to nothing in the end. The show rolled on and on season after season(still on Netflix too) w/John & w/out Hal. Those same folks likely ran out to see Hal's film. Couldn't save it from failure. If they do the right thing like they should've done years ago& give John a film, I have no doubts that some of Hal's fans'll ***** again...w/the same effectiveness. Comic book fans are a small demographic compared to general audience cartoon watchers & even smaller compared to general audience moviegoers.

Right, so if the movie had John Stewart and was equally badly written, you think it would've still been more successful just because it had Stewart in it? The notion that the reason, or one of the reasons, for its failure was choosing another character makes no sense. If we're to get into specifics, John was featured as part of an ensemble cast in JL/JLU. That show wasn't called "Green Lantern" and he wasn't the one "selling" it, he was one of all the characters featured in it. The show was successful because it was well-written and handled by competent people like Bruce Timm and Dwayne McDuffie. If it had Barry and Hal instead of Wally and John, it would've had the same result. No amount of complaining Wally or John fans would've affected that. A terrible GL movie would've failed no matter who the protagonist was, it's ignorant to think that a John movie would've made more money, while ignoring the factors that actually led to its failure. When all is said and done, the only thing the "general audience" wants is to be entertained. They would enjoy a Green Lantern movie if it's entertaining, whether it features a guy some of them might remember seeing in an animated show as kids, or not. Simple as that.

I've just seen too much of people acting like he somehow deserves another chance because proven box-office draws like Supes & Bats got them.

Whether he deserves a chance or not, is only up to WB. I've said this before, personally to me Hal "and" John > Hal "or" John.

John is arguably more popular because animated shows(especially ones like JL) get more exposure than comics and Hal's largest exposure outside of them was an extremely negative one.

Hal has been featured in every DC-related media in the past decade. People have seen much better portrayals of him in other media than in the movie and are well aware of who he is today. They don't really look down on him just because a live-action movie that featured him has failed. Hal and John are equally as popular, Kyle and Guy are mostly unknown to non-comic readers.

lol. I've seen the war rage on across the internet. Waaay worse in most places than it is here(most of Hal's more vicious fanboys are either banned now or just don't post here anymore). Mostly due to some of Hal's fans resorting to personal attacks when somebody disses him or simply praises John too much for them.

I've seen just as many personal attacks from the John camp. Hardcore fanboys are hardcore fanboys, that's what they do.

 

[HighFivingMF]

You really think John has a much bigger reach because of the ONE cartoon? Yes, it was a reasonably popular cartoon. But for a small chunk of a single generation and John wasn't the stand-out, hence most people demanding he be in the next movie thinking his name is literally just "Black Green Lantern." The demand has more to do with wanting there to be a black superhero than any particular affection for the character, knowledge of the mythology, or enthusiasm for what he brings to the table.

Cartoons Hal Jordan has been in: Superman/Aquaman Adventure Hour, The All-New Superfriends Hour, Challenge of the Superfriends, Super Friends, Super Friends: The Legendary Super Powers Show, The Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians, Duck Dodgers, The Batman, Batman: Brave and the Bold, Young Justice, Green Lantern: The Animated Series.

Animated Films Hal Jordan has been in: Justice League: The New Frontier, Green Lantern: First Flight, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, Green Lantern: Emerald Knights, Justice League: Doom, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League: War, Justice League: Throne of Atlantis, The Lego Movie.

Video Games Hal Jordan has been a major character in: Injustice: Gods Among Us, Mortal Kombat Vs. DC Universe, Lego Batman: Beyond Gotham, Green Lantern: Rise of the Manhunters.

Justice League was a good cartoon, a reasonably popular cartoon. But it wasn't a cultural phenomenon. You really think that John touched more people through 5 season of a single show than all of this put together? Hell, Super Friends was popular enough to color the public's perception of Aquaman for over 20 years.

 

[brainchild81]

Yes. That's Aquaman. Even if he's laughed at, he stood out. Hal was just "present" most of the time. Just there, not standing out or doing anything of importance. Tell me something important that Hal did on Superfriends. I'll wait

John wasn't the stand-out? Really? If John wasn't the stand-out, who was? The impact of John on JL is the main reason for ALL of this discussion going on ALL over the internet. It's probably why stars like The Rock mention him by name. I've seen plenty of people who want JS call him by his name, but it really doesn't matter to me if people who wanna see him call him John Stewart or "the black GL". All that matters is that people want to see him and the HE stood out in their minds enough for them to say it in the 1st place. And I call shenanigans/bull on the "just want a black superhero" spin. If that were true, we'd all just be happy that Cyborg is there. That's not the case tho is it?


Also, the show was so great that Young Justice felt the need to pay homage to the JL cast. Still on Netflix too.

Right, so if the movie had John Stewart and was equally badly written, you think it would've still been more successful just because it had Stewart in it? The notion that the reason, or one of the reasons, for its failure was choosing another character makes no sense. If we're to get into specifics, John was featured as part of an ensemble cast in JL/JLU. That show wasn't called "Green Lantern" and he wasn't the one "selling" it, he was one of all the characters featured in it. The show was successful because it was well-written and handled by competent people like Bruce Timm and Dwayne McDuffie. If it had Barry and Hal instead of Wally and John, it would've had the same result. No amount of complaining Wally or John fans would've affected that. A terrible GL movie would've failed no matter who the protagonist was, it's ignorant to think that a John movie would've made more money, while ignoring the factors that actually led to its failure. When all is said and done, the only thing the "general audience" wants is to be entertained. They would enjoy a Green Lantern movie if it's entertaining, whether it features a guy some of them might remember seeing in an animated show as kids, or not. Simple as that.

John was arguably the star of that show and got the most development(Bats & Supes were already developed) especially in the 1st few seasons. He also fought the main villain of the season finales 2 times in a row. If they'd used Hal it wouldn't have been as good or as memorable. Hal has been used countless times before & it never amounted to anything.

A John movie being as terrible as what we got seems very unlikely. Unless they basically made him a black Hal, some of the bad things about the film automatically change for the better. The whole "whitewashing" bad buzz wouldn't have existed and the generation that grew up watching JLU(and was now all grown up w/disposable income) would have been interested. The main character would have looked cool instead of silly/stupid, which does matter in this genre. No boring earthly love interest since John likes to bang alien chicks. A John film would very likely have made more money. How much more is the question. A bad John film would likely make more than a bad Hal film just on the character being better and having more "curb appeal". I get different answers on this all the time from Hal fans: Did the film at least get Hal Jordan right?

Whether he deserves a chance or not, is only up to WB. I've said this before, personally to me Hal "and" John > Hal "or" John.

This'll make me look like a bad guy to some of Hal's fans, but I gotta be honest. I don't want Hal in John's movie because I don't want anything there that can possibly hold the film back. I don't want people to be thinking about Hal's mess of a film. Hal got a chance on his own & John deserves a chance on his own. I'd rather see John by himself or John and Guy. They've tried for over half a century to make Hal "happen" and for whatever reason(s), it hasn't. I've heard that when you want something you've never had before, sometimes you gotta do something you've never done before. Change the "face" of the franchise if you want GL to really mean something outside of comics. Get fully behind somebody else like they have w/Hal & see what happens. Let's use that great corps aspect that GL can have over any other franchise & let somebody else shine. They also say absence makes the heart grow fonder. Give Hal a rest until his haters start to miss him. There was a time when I had nothing but apathy for Hal. You have no idea how much I miss those days.

Hal has been featured in every DC-related media in the past decade. People have seen much better portrayals of him in other media than in the movie and are well aware of who he is today. They don't really look down on him just because a live-action movie that featured him has failed. Hal and John are equally as popular, Kyle and Guy are mostly unknown to non-comic readers.

Many of these DC related media happened before his 2011 film. I honestly don't see signs of any impact they made because people still complained of whitewashing when his 2011 film was about to come out.

I've seen just as many personal attacks from the John camp. Hardcore fanboys are hardcore fanboys, that's what they do.

I find that VERY hard to believe. Maybe some, but just as many? Nah.

 

[Lantern Venom]

John wasn't the stand-out? Really? If John wasn't the stand-out, who was? .

Supes, Bats, and Wondy....as always. Part of the strategy for season 3, when it became Unlimited, was to push John, Wally, and Marty from the spotlight to make time for new characters. The show found a balance for the other 3 members of the Big 5, but sadly not GL or Flash.

John's high point came on episode 4 and 5 (In Blackest Night), which was outstanding, but the show never focused on him like that again. The closest he got to center stage after that was "Hearts and Minds", but the show didn't delve into his pre-GL life or origin.

I respect Hawkgirl and Vixen's respective places in DC's mythos, but John could have done so much more in seasons 3 and 4 than stand in the background and decide between the two of them. John was the *Master Builder* who once wielded the power of a Guardian and was in charge of his own society. The JL 'Toon could have done so much more with him than a love triangle.

 

[C. Lee]

I don't mind which one they use except for the Guy Gardner one.....hell, even have one of the aliens co star.