Which was worse?

[El Payaso]

Goblin's suit was crappy cheesy and nothing like the halloween-esque comics one. And those lil pumpkins weren't pumpkins either.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Which was worse- Organic webbing OR Green Goblin Costume?

I think I'd choose the green goblin costume because it look like crap and made no sense at all. If it was suppose to be a military outfit, then why the hell was it designed like an alien costume? The fact that there was no USA military logos on the suit anywhere made it look even less like a military suit. Plus the suit was one piece, which would make it difficult for a soldier to get in and out of teh suit without assistance.

I'll tell you which was worse; the relentless whining from fanboys. For the record, I've served in the military & they do have a number of one-piece uniforms that are hard to get into.

 

[POWdER-man]

Goblin's costume... no doubt.

 

[Dark Phantom]

Again with the GG costume! I can't stand it! All you major fanboys complain about this costume, when myself and my friends thought it was way better than the comics. It made sense. I don't care what kind of costume they chose. I like the one we are stuck with, so please get over it. It's great the way it is.

 

[spider-jide]

Jeez man, both sucked.

Can you guess what Raimi did to solidify his lame-ass excuse for peter not being intelligent enough to create web-shooters? Answer. SM2, "Rain drops keep falling on my head montage". Raimi sanctioned the pathetic scene of Peter not being able to even fix a freakin bicycle wheel. So with that, how on earth are we expected to believe pete can create an advanced mechanical device that can fire out strands of webbing. Thank you so very much Raimi for your mediocre and silly additions to spoil the potential of the spidey movies truelly being great.

 

[The Navigator]

I'm always interested in complaints over changes that, for the most part, are really cosmetic (well, save Peter's intelligence, but I have doubts about those in the comic book, too). It's just like the Star Wars section, but.....different. Somehow.

 

[El Payaso]

Can you guess what Raimi did to solidify his lame-ass excuse for peter not being intelligent enough to create web-shooters? Answer. SM2, "Rain drops keep falling on my head montage". Raimi sanctioned the pathetic scene of Peter not being able to even fix a freakin bicycle wheel.

Raimi's politics for Spidey movies: everything for an audiences laugh.

 

[The Navigator]

Just because Peter is scientifically inclined does not necessarily mean he's mechanically inclined. Although the two can often go together--and they did in the comics--they do not go together here.

Although, frankly, I think being mechanically inclined takes away from his nerdiness, but that's me.

 

[spider-jide]

Not being mechanically inclined? Its a freakin bycicle wheel not a rocket engine. Of all the clever geeks into science on a hardcore level that I know of, they know how to create, build and devise some sort of mechanical device, a bicycle wheel is merely elemetry. If we're expected to believe that pete can create and design his costume, how the hell can he not fix a bicycle wheel. The webshooters should have been in the movies as far as i'm concerend and there isn't a single excuse that anyone can come up with that I cant counter.

 

[dos_acoustic]

Ok i could never understand something...the excuse for the horrible Goblin Cosutme was that it was more realistic...right? Sure the military armor makes sense but i dont understand the mask...so after Norman goes insane he runs off and makes a mask to match his armor? That seems as realistic as running off and making a purple and green suit with a much creepier mask! They could have used the original costume and they know they could have....

 

[spider-jide]

Really and truelly, appparantly, Raimi ran out of financial resources to follow through with the better design of the goblin costume. If Raimi had managed his budget better and not blown it all on cg, he would have had the money.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Remember what I said when you posted that remark in my thread? It still applies.

 

[U.S War Machine]

I'm gonna have to go with the Goblin costume because, when ever he talks you can see his real mouth move.

 

[spider-jide]

Remember what I said when you posted that remark in my thread? It still applies.

I dont recall......

 

[mister Lennon]

Its difficult to choose because the two things were stupid as hell, but i choose the organics, one of the worst ideas in cinema story.

 

[Kurt Wagner]

Using organic web-shooters was a horrible mistake, and I know why they did it. James Cameron wrote a disgusting, heathen scriptment for Spider-Man that featured organic mutations instead of scientific prowess. Thankfully, they didn't let Cameron direct the movie, but they had his stuff on file. They intended to use mechanical web-shooters, but the props were giving them trouble. They figured "hey, we have Cameron's monstrous idea, and it would save on props, time, and it looks smoother." Lazy bastards. That's all it is, laziness. They had a way out, and they took it. I condemned them to the deepest pits of hell for that decision, but when the movie out, I didn't mind it as much as I thought I would. Cameron's scriptment put a lot of emphasis on the "man-spider" metamorpohisis, and Sam Raimi's movie did not. They didn't swell on it or make it overtly disgusting, so it went down easy and didn't make me vomit. Next to the bigger mistakes they made in the movie, their glossed-over webshooter bastardization looked like nothing.

The Green Goblin suit has a different problem for me. Instead of being badly conceived, but better in appearance on screen, it's the opposite. I like the idea of the suit and glider being a military contract for Osborn. However, their is no excuse for that costume. Why does it look like an alien costume, you ask? Because Sam Raimi is a punk in many ways, and one of those ways is recycling actors (including his brother), material, and designs. He directed "M.A.N.T.I.S." Don't remember it? Don't feel bad. Point is, it's a similar costume, designed very insect-like. I would much, much rather see the Goblin in scaly, rubbery, non-segmented armor with a purple tunic over it than the Power Ranger special we got treated to in 2002. An insane villain like the Goblin needs a face that has expression. They should have used prosthetics.
Don't go dissing the man-purse. It's classic, it's true to source material, it's functional, and it goes with his stocking cap, purple jogging suit and pointy shoes. Gobby's got his own fashion goin' on.

I remember that show... thought it was alright back then, but not good by today's standards. Anyway, he does recycle and sometimes even re-use scenes... like how we already have a burning building scene in Spider-Man 1 & 2.

In reference to the Goblin's original costume, I think that would have been silly on screen also, but at least it would have still been better than the alien suit. As for his unique fashion, it could be changed a bit without makign the goblin look gay... For example, a material used for the current goblin suit could have been used instead of tights, just not this design.... and the man purse wouldn't be necessary cause he could use one of those one-strap back packs. Just a thought.


Also, what exactly was the problem with the webshooter props? It's not like it was a functioning prop anyway, so what problem could possibly exist... just tape the thing to Tobey's wrist and the CGI will do the rest.

 

[mister Lennon]

The funny thing is that they didnt use the goblin costume from the comics because they said that it could be ridiculous on screen, and they go with a power ranger costume much more ridiculous. It is non sense.

 

[Kurt Wagner]

The funny thing is that they didnt use the goblin costume from the comics because they said that it could be ridiculous on screen, and they go with a power ranger costume much more ridiculous. It is non sense.

and they wanted to base things in reality... which is why the suit is a product of the military... which makes me wonder... then why the heck the military would design something like that.

 

[spider-jide]

and they wanted to base things in reality... which is why the suit is a product of the military... which makes me wonder... then why the heck the military would design something like that.

The costume itself is a military tool, which is understandable but you have to remember the mask itself wasn't part of the military's battle suit design, Norman did that entirely on his own.

 

[Arcturus]

 

[Silverstein]

Peter Parker's webshooters are quite bulky. You see Ben Reily's outside of his costume and they are huge. I suppose Sam figured that it would be unrealistic that Peter put this things on and then they suddenly disapear under the costume as it becomes skin tight. That plus I hear that he thought it might be unrealistic that a 16 year old would know how to make a web shooter with such capabilities as being able to make webs of any size and so on.

 

[spider-jide]

Peter Parker's webshooters are quite bulky. You see Ben Reily's outside of his costume and they are huge. I suppose Sam figured that it would be unrealistic that Peter put this things on and then they suddenly disapear under the costume as it becomes skin tight.

The web shooters have had many renditions over the years and spidey has used more stream-line, slimmer versions.

plus I hear that he thought it might be unrealistic that a 16 year old would know how to make a web shooter with such capabilities as being able to make webs of any size and so on.

Then Raimi has no real business directing a spider-man movie.

 

[Kurt Wagner]

The costume itself is a military tool, which is understandable but you have to remember the mask itself wasn't part of the military's battle suit design, Norman did that entirely on his own.

Yeah, I considered this. The costume is still a bad design even for a military product, IMO. The mask was cool, but it also was a bad choice in that it didn't take advantage of DaFoe's expressions.

Peter Parker's webshooters are quite bulky. You see Ben Reily's outside of his costume and they are huge. I suppose Sam figured that it would be unrealistic that Peter put this things on and then they suddenly disapear under the costume as it becomes skin tight. That plus I hear that he thought it might be unrealistic that a 16 year old would know how to make a web shooter with such capabilities as being able to make webs of any size and so on.

They had the streamline versions which blend into the costume... There are concept designs of these somewhere, which I'll post if I find them. Or they could have gone with the bracelet look... but the streamline versions looked pretty good.

I hate the 16 year old kid argument... The guy was a genius... not some average kid or some straight-A student... genius. We have medical students that are 9 years old... musicians that start out as early as 2... so why would it be unrealistic for a 16 year old to invent something... especially if he was already scientifically gifted. just my IMO

 

[spider-jide]

Yeah, I considered this. The costume is still a bad design even for a military product, IMO. The mask was cool, but it also was a bad choice in that it didn't take advantage of DaFoe's expressions.

The other concept designs were much better and would have been appreciated by most, although, the mask shared the same restrictions as the one that ended up being used but had a better look to it. Either way the restriction of expressions isn't a big problem afterall spidey's entire face is covered with little to know jaw movememnt too but if the goblin mask looks badass, thats good enough.

 

[Zues4Life]

If Harry is going to become the Hobgoblin in Spiderman 3,I hope that they stay original with the costume.I loved the GG's suit in Spiderman 1 though.