Who IS Red Robin? A non-burger mystery.

[Aristotle]

Selective-continuity time. Two-Face never said anything about a red and blue suit.

 

[hippie_hunter]

isn't Countdown out of continuity? should Jason even know that he was Red Robin?

maybe this Red Robin is Kingdom Come Dick Grayson.

It's in continuity. While writers such as Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison aren't contradicting it, they most certainly prefer to ignore it completely.

 

[Aristotle]

Jimmy Olsen knowing Superman's (or any hero's) identity is out of continuity.

 

[04nbod]

It's in continuity. While writers such as Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison aren't contradicting it, they most certainly prefer to ignore it completely.

Morrison said that he would explain countdown in final crisis. He of course shouldn't have to but thats what he says he'll do

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I may have dropped Final Crisis because it was annoyingly obtuse, but that's a pretty stand-up move by Morrison. It's nice to know that there are still good creators who value cohesive continuity beyond the scope of their own comics out there.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Selective-continuity time. Two-Face never said anything about a red and blue suit.

Are you absolutely sure, because from several other places I've read he did at least mention the suit in some way. If not, then how does the Nightwing issues tie into RIP at all then?

 

[yenaled]

Why don't you let the story play out and see?

Maybe it all ends with Dick at the Mansion and then being attacked by the Black Gloves thus taking place before his apperance in RIP.

Do remember just because seperate books are released in the same month doesn't mean the story takes place on the same timescale.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yes, I have been reading comics long enough to realize that some comics don't take place at the exact same time as others in event tie-ins, but since it can potentially be important continuity-wise it's at least good to know

 

[Aristotle]

Morrison said that he would explain countdown in final crisis. He of course shouldn't have to but thats what he says he'll do

I thought he said the exact opposite?

 

[Aristotle]

I may have dropped Final Crisis because it was annoyingly obtuse, but that's a pretty stand-up move by Morrison. It's nice to know that there are still good creators who value cohesive continuity beyond the scope of their own comics out there.

FC is much better than it was those first couple issues. The one right before the one-month gap was really good.

 

[Aristotle]

Are you absolutely sure, because from several other places I've read he did at least mention the suit in some way. If not, then how does the Nightwing issues tie into RIP at all then?

I said selective-continuity time. That means I've just retconned it with my mental powers.

 

[Aristotle]

Maybe it all ends with Dick at the Mansion and then being attacked by the Black Gloves thus taking place before his apperance in RIP.

That doesn't solve the problem, because Two-Face still says "red and blue" suit, which is supposed to happen after Dick gets jumped.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I said selective-continuity time. That means I've just retconned it with my mental powers.

Ah, I see what you did there, that was just me being slow on the draw.

About the only real way to get around that continuity hiccup is if it ends up that Dick isn't the one in Arkham.

 

[Aristotle]

And that's not going to happen. I know it's arrogant, but I'm just going to say, flat-out, that's not going to happen. I think Morrison is making some very specific arguments with this piece, and to do that he's focusing on Batman as the absolute central character. No last-minute saves from Dick or Tim or Alfred or anyone else.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Especially not if Alfred's the Black Glove, as some people are suggesting.

 

[Tron Bonne]

And that's not going to happen. I know it's arrogant, but I'm just going to say, flat-out, that's not going to happen. I think Morrison is making some very specific arguments with this piece, and to do that he's focusing on Batman as the absolute central character. No last-minute saves from Dick or Tim or Alfred or anyone else.

Well, I didn't mean to imply that I thought Dick is going to last minute save Batman from The Glove or anything like that, but he could've still escaped to do whatever he is doing with Two-Face now.

Whatever that may be, I have no idea.

 

[Aristotle]

Still, that would be weird. I really think doing tie-ins to RIP was a bad plan. Just not a smart move. Tie-ins after the fact, sure, but not during the event.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I agree, I'm thinking that these tie-ins were mostly an editorially move as opposed to planned out. From what I had heard from alot of Morrison is that he planned as a purely stand alone Batman tale and didn't really mean to make a full out event of it.

 

[WompuM]

Yeah, I beleive Morrison will be the first to tell you not to worry about other continuities when reading his works.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Which sucks a lot for Nightwing's writer, who has to basically play along when his character is suppose to be totally indisposed for, persumably, most of the 'event' in question

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't understand, though. Shouldn't Morrison have been available to work out details with the writers doing the tie-ins? Or his editors, who would presumably know the whole RIP story themselves, at least? It doesn't seem like there should be such inconsistency between Batman and the tie-ins.

 

[WompuM]

Remember back in the good old days of the bat-family, like no-mans-land when every book fit in perfectly. As if DC had spent 15 bucks on a big dry erase board and actually worked this **** out.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure all the writers worked together on that, too. Plus, Brubaker and Rucka were among the Bat-writers' ranks back then.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't understand, though. Shouldn't Morrison have been available to work out details with the writers doing the tie-ins? Or his editors, who would presumably know the whole RIP story themselves, at least? It doesn't seem like there should be such inconsistency between Batman and the tie-ins.

I agree, they really should've of worked out the inconsistency, but maybe no one cared enough to work them out

 

[Darthphere]

Octo-Todd.