Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 1

[Doctor Octopus]

Yeah electro i was angry with him being even considered a "main villain" from the get go.. the man is a mentally unstable thug who was blessed with an amazing power, and decided to use it irresponsibly. Hes a terrible skeemer, and never been a great planner of skeems...

And hes very dangerous because he's unstable

I didnt want him anything but that... and wanted him paired with sandman or hydroman

I was so annoyed with those in the amazing 2 thread wanting him to be this "bad ass" villain that they expected to rival ock and green goblin..... -__-

I like comic electro because he's a loser and a screwup with deadly abilities...

Agreed.

It's really good idea to team him with Hydroman because combining powers of water and electricity would be very dangerous. They should do that where villains combine powers like that to be extra dangerous. Like I imagine Hydroman pouring loads of water around lots of Cops and then Electro setting electricity through it and fry them all.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Im hoping not... i really want kraven in a sequel after lizard has been introduced. .. for kravens last hunt.

I'm hoping not too. Aside from Kraven's Last Hunt (which I'm not sure is film material) I don't find Kraven all that interesting. He also seems really underpowered to be going up against Spidey. I'm not sure he'd be perceived as a threat.

 

[ernesth100]

Mmm, well let's hope this Spider-Man series can avoid dull villains.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I think Vulture is kind of dull. I mainly like him when he working with other villains like with Octopus in Sinister Six. Not big fan of Kraven either. Only Kraven's Last Hunt and first Sinister Six story are ones he was in that I liked.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Vulture is super dull. He's like Green Goblin without all the cool stuff.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Marc Webb told us all it did http://movieweb.com/comic-con-2013-...the-main-villain-in-the-amazing-spider-man-2/

But it never felt like it to me.

Me either, it definitely seems that either Sony couldn't decide what direction to go in or the writers weren't competent enough to write a good story. Too many damn subplots.

I think Raimi Spider-Man movies and Dark Knight movies both make hero important and villains so great. I want Marvel and Sony together to do that too. Get balance right like that.

I think SM2 had the balance a bit better. Ock didn't take over the overall story but still had a large part. But at the same time Tobey's Peter and Spidey could get a bit boring. The only film that I feel has really struck the balance perfectly is Cap 2.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I like Cap 2 so much but I did not think villains were much good. Pearce and Winter Soldier were not so memorable. Pearce was boring to me, just Hydra agent in a suit. Winter Soldier was just action character most of time. Not much personality.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Agreed.

It's really good idea to team him with Hydroman because combining powers of water and electricity would be very dangerous. They should do that where villains combine powers like that to be extra dangerous. Like I imagine Hydroman pouring loads of water around lots of Cops and then Electro setting electricity through it and fry them all.

Thats my thoughts.. plus it shows his brain in defeating the villains... sandman wouldnt be injured by electro, but if fully charged spidey could cause electro to accidentally hit sandman... turning him to glass

Or in hydromans case, he could short circuit electro..

 

[ThePhantasm]

You can balance it one way or another depending on what best serves the film. For Burton's characterization of Batman, it was better to have the villains onscreen more, as his Bats was more subdued, internalized, and psychologically broken. For Spider-Man films, its better to have Spidey onscreen more, because he's talkative, interactive, colorful, a more in your face in a good way kind of hero.

Or you can go the TDKR route and have Batman barely be in the film at all, which was a terrible decision, especially given the length of the film.

 

[ernesth100]

Cap 2 struck everything perfect. Hopefully Spider-Man 2017 can be Winter Soldier or Avengers level good.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm hoping not too. Aside from Kraven's Last Hunt (which I'm not sure is film material) I don't find Kraven all that interesting. He also seems really underpowered to be going up against Spidey. I'm not sure he'd be perceived as a threat.

He works, especially if a don of the russian madia, with rhino and chameleon in tow. Hes a great villain to break spidey... there's some Bane parallels

 

[ThePhantasm]

He works, especially if a don of the russian madia, with rhino and chameleon in tow. Hes a great villain to break spidey... there's some Bane parallels

Oh I can definitely see him working with rhino and chameleon. That I'd be down for. I just don't see him working as a solo villain.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Thats my thoughts.. plus it shows his brain in defeating the villains... sandman wouldnt be injured by electro, but if fully charged spidey could cause electro to accidentally hit sandman... turning him to glass

Or in hydromans case, he could short circuit electro..

Agreed. Or use Electro electricity to electrocute Ock's tentacles.

You can balance it one way or another depending on what best serves the film. For Burton's characterization of Batman, it was better to have the villains onscreen more, as his Bats was more subdued, internalized, and psychologically broken. For Spider-Man films, its better to have Spidey onscreen more, because he's talkative, interactive, colorful, a more in your face in a good way kind of hero.

Or you can go the TDKR route and have Batman barely be in the film at all, which was a terrible decision, especially given the length of the film.

I did not like Burton Batman being held back for villains. He make him kind of boring doing that. Not interesting much. I want hero first and villains second all the time. I count hero as alter ego like Peter Parker and Bruce Wayne. Not just as Spider-Man and Batman. Face behind masks are just as important. More important maybe I think. I like that Rises Batman did that. More Bruce Wayne focus like Spider-Man 2 did more Peter Parker focus.

Ones like Cap and Wolverine don't need to worry about alter egos lol. Iron Man either any more after first movie.

Cap 2 struck everything perfect. Hopefully Spider-Man 2017 can be Winter Soldier or Avengers level good.

Not villains in Cap 2. Spider-Man's need to be better than Pearce and Winter Soldier. They were not that great.

 

[ernesth100]

That is debatable based on different view points and opinions. But hey, let's all just agree we want great villains for Spidey.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Agreed. Who you want most ernesth100? Say Dr Octopus lol.

 

[ernesth100]

For SM2027?

1. Mysterio
2. Kraven
3. Vulture
4. Scorpion and/or Shocker
5. Kingpin, Hammerhead and/or Tombstone


Point being, someone new.

 

[The Joker]

I think SM2 had the balance a bit better. Ock didn't take over the overall story but still had a large part. But at the same time Tobey's Peter and Spidey could get a bit boring.

Kevin Feige is a huge fan of both. In fact he just recently said he feels their Spidey movie has a lot to live up to with Spider-Man 2;

"I think Spider-Man 2 is one of the best superhero movies ever, so that’s a lot to live up to.”

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...eige-on-the-marvel-sony-spider-man-connection

So with any luck he'll take a leaf from their books on some of his creative decisions, while still making it his own thing.

 

[ernesth100]

Best thing they can do to gaurentee success on the villains in this franchise is stick as close to the source material as possible, give them legitamate screentime and cast the right actors.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Hmmm...I never said Vulture should be a solo villain or not...don't know where that's coming. Vulture would make a good villain. Character/villain usage is what matters, how he is used in the plot, and moving the story forward.

I don't care about old connotations, from old, dated material or media. Get away from that & Let it go, characters are suppose to evolve, some more than others. None of these characters are good, if you're talking about using characters in the same way they always being used. That is tiresome & lazy, lack of imagination & creative.

Although I agree, Vulture is best used in conjunction with another villain, does not mean he can not be a solo villain...I would disagree everytime...Vulture imo, is just as compelling of a villain, as a number of others. It all in the writing...which incorporates everything.

Completely agree here.

I'm not even suggesting him as the main antagonist..because he simply wouldn't be. He'd be the villain in character, yes, but the main villain of the Spider-Man film would be the high school aspect. Peter being late, being absent, forgetting homework/assignments/quizzes/tests, etc.

That's where I'd want Vulture used, quite honestly. He would be that other thorn in Peter's side; the one that his alter-ego would have to deal with.

I'm not asking for some masterful portrayal because I am of the same belief that it wouldn't be possible without reworking the character (like Ock in Spider-Man 2, as great as that rendition was).

I just feel he, along with the whole high-school drama, would give us a much-needed solid Spider-Man film again.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Vulture is super dull. He's like Green Goblin without all the cool stuff.

While Vulture could be made interesting and more unique (I've reimagined him as a cold-blooded hitman before), he works best combined with other villains.


And what the heck was up with the batboard/spiderboard feud that just happened!?!

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

While Vulture could be made interesting and more unique (I've reimagined him as a cold-blooded hitman before), he works best combined with other villains.

I dig that idea. Now only if they can make him look intimidating and badass enough to where he gives off that vibe the Winter Soldier did in Cap 2...like he's not the type of guy you'd wanna **** with.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I dig that idea. Now only if they can make him look intimidating and badass enough to where he gives off that vibe the Winter Soldier did in Cap 2...like he's not the type of guy you'd wanna **** with.

The dream casting of John Malkovich would go a long way to make that happen.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Eh... sounds like a villanous falcon with guns...

If they do vulture, they really have to physically make him different than falcon in looks, and the way he moves and fights

 

[ernesth100]

While Vulture could be made interesting and more unique (I've reimagined him as a cold-blooded hitman before), he works best combined with other villains.


And what the heck was up with the batboard/spiderboard feud that just happened!?!

The two fandoms tend to clash alot for some reason. I guess since Spider-Man and Batman actually share a few similarities. Especially in villain area. I mean come on.


Joker=Green Goblin(Obvious)
Rhino=Bane(Obvious)
Clayface=Sandman(Obvious)
Mysterio=Scarecrow(illusions)
Killer Croc=The Lizard(obvious)
Black Cat=Catwoman(obvious)
Herbert Landon=Two Face(Obvious)
Penguin=Doc Ock(short evil masterminds)




I could go on.






That and considering the fact that both Spider-Man and Batman are genius costumed vigilantes that the public seem to alternate between hating/fearing and loving/embracing. Who use gadgets against villains(Spider-Tracers, Bat Tracers, Grappling Hook, Web Shooters, Spider-Singnal, Bat Singnal)


Hell recently in the comics Spider-Man now owns Parker Industries and has his own Spider-Mobile. Don't get me wrong, they have alot of differences too. But still.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Penguin=Doc Ock(short evil masterminds)

Dr Octopus is not short lol.