Who Should Have Directed This Movie?

[tekken]

christopher nolan!

make it 100% realistic. goku is not a saiyan, piccolo is not an alien nor green, no ki blasts, in fact, there won't even be any dragon balls. haha.

sorry for this ******ed useless post.

 

[Humpty Dumpty]

I didn't realise that we had fortune tellers on here

I think alot of people are getting a bit too deep on these subjects on this forum,

How can you predict what wong is doing with the film whithout a shred of proper "action movie" footage?

We have some great pics, (imo) and i'm totally happy with what i have seen so far.

I for one, watch movies cos i want to see them, i couldn't give a s... who's directing it !

When your missus says "do u want to go and watch ......... tonight ?"

My first response isan't "WHO'S directing IT"

Although the general movie-going public doesn’t care much about who’s making a film beyond the actors, there is, in a sense, an implicit concern about the director since the director is the primary determinant of whether or not a movie comes out well and nobody, not even the most uninformed audience member, wants to waste their money on a bad movie.

I’ll freely admit I don’t know exactly how Wong is going about making this movie, but as is the case with any kind of artist, a director’s future work can usually be approximated by the skill manifested by their past work. As a musician, if I were asked to weigh the artistic quality of a score by John Williams that hasn’t yet been released to the public against a score by Klaus Badelt that has likewise not yet been heard by anyone, I would automatically pick the Williams score over the Badelt score because Badelt has written some of the most pedestrian film scores I’ve ever heard and John Williams is, well, John Williams.

 

[MoPlaYa]

Bret Ratner as casting director...lol j/j

 

[Water Wagon]

What about Uwe Boll? or Joel Shumacher? Dragonball is full of bright colours Joel would love it

 

[CrashNburn]

if Uwe Boll was directing DB, i would try everything in my power to gather enough people to protest

 

[Cell Therapy]

Although the general movie-going public doesn’t care much about who’s making a film beyond the actors, there is, in a sense, an implicit concern about the director since the director is the primary determinant of whether or not a movie comes out well and nobody, not even the most uninformed audience member, wants to waste their money on a bad movie.

I’ll freely admit I don’t know exactly how Wong is going about making this movie, but as is the case with any kind of artist, a director’s future work can usually be approximated by the skill manifested by their past work. As a musician, if I were asked to weigh the artistic quality of a score by John Williams that hasn’t yet been released to the public against a score by Klaus Badelt that has likewise not yet been heard by anyone, I would automatically pick the Williams score over the Badelt score because Badelt has written some of the most pedestrian film scores I’ve ever heard and John Williams is, well, John Williams.

A valid point, but i myself produce music and i know that with every project i do i get better, i learn more each time, i gain more experience, i start to learn the tricks of the trade.

Dre for instance, would you not agree that his music improved as time went on?

The same for directors, Wong was unlikely to have the resourses he has for this film, back when he made "The One" for instance, or the knowledge and skill that (hopefully) he has now.

 

[Crosswind Ghost]

Also people should realize, Michael bay is just as mediocre as james wong when it comes to directing and probably worse when it comes to writing. The only difference is, studios throw 150+ million dollar budgets in his lap carelessly, and there for makes mediocre films that have good action sequences. Which people lovvvveee . James wong has never had a budget over 50 million. He has double that, lets see what he does with it.

 

[DBZ2cool]

^ you nailed it my freind.

Michael Bay is so lucky that his movies make a lot of money except The Island which flopped due to horrible marketing campaign.

He knows how to blow stuff up real good and hence audiences come in big numbers to watch his films.

 

[scarface078]

well how did everywhone talk about micheal bay before he made Transformers?
i'm sure he was admired as the best
after Transformers he is
the same can happen whit james wong people..
i have the trust in him.. and that he do a good job but does everywhone else thinks like me?

 

[DBZ2cool]

^ you nailed it my freind.

Michael Bay is so lucky that his movies make a lot of money except The Island which flopped due to horrible marketing campaign.

He knows how to blow stuff up real good and hence audiences come in big numbers to watch his films but he definitely isn't a good action director.

Good action director is someone like Louis Letteriour who directed the new hulk movie. He doesn't use shaky cam technique for action scenes, orchestrates them beautifully and you can actually see the damn action.

Michael Bay used a lot of shaky cam technique for Transformers.

I hope James Wong avoids shaky cameria technique otherwise I will be really dissapointed.

 

[nanjirou]

A valid point, but i myself produce music and i know that with every project i do i get better, i learn more each time, i gain more experience, i start to learn the tricks of the trade.

Dre for instance, would you not agree that his music improved as time went on?

The same for directors, Wong was unlikely to have the resourses he has for this film, back when he made "The One" for instance, or the knowledge and skill that (hopefully) he has now.

good point
lets hope that´s the case for james wong. Also, the story he has to work with in this movie is 1000 times better than the story of the one

 

[CrashNburn]

exactly. there is already a story and fanbase for the db property. these should be great advantages.

 

[arman200]

^ you nailed it my freind.

Michael Bay is so lucky that his movies make a lot of money except The Island which flopped due to horrible marketing campaign.

He knows how to blow stuff up real good and hence audiences come in big numbers to watch his films but he definitely isn't a good action director.

Good action director is someone like Louis Letteriour who directed the new hulk movie. He doesn't use shaky cam technique for action scenes, orchestrates them beautifully and you can actually see the damn action.

Michael Bay used a lot of shaky cam technique for Transformers.

I hope James Wong avoids shaky cameria technique otherwise I will be really dissapointed.

The bit about the Shaky camera is true. It's generally a lazy technique, but makes sense in movie like Batman Begins or children of men, where it gives off a more realistic feel. Michael Bay used the technique because he's untalented, lazy, and too stupid to realize he lost the realism in transformers the minute he was signed on as director.

For Dragonball, a movie for which many will come for action, to use the technique would be stupid and lazy.

Also, they need a good musical score. Transformers had a fair number of well orchestrated songs, that weren't used correctly. They used the good music for the build-up, and once the action started it turned to butt rock. And to go the way of Iron Man would be disappointing, where there would be no actual score, just a few guitar riffs and ACDC.

 

[nanjirou]

the music score is the least of my worries, its being done by brian tyler, a very talented musician who also happens to be a fan of dragonball

 

[Humpty Dumpty]

A valid point, but i myself produce music and i know that with every project i do i get better, i learn more each time, i gain more experience, i start to learn the tricks of the trade.

Dre for instance, would you not agree that his music improved as time went on?

The same for directors, Wong was unlikely to have the resourses he has for this film, back when he made "The One" for instance, or the knowledge and skill that (hopefully) he has now.

It's true an artist grows with experience, and I can only hope Wong has developed enough since his last movie to be able to do justice to Dragonball. I'm not one much for popular music though; 99% of what comes out of the genres encompassed by that designation is completely incompetent, so I tend not to even follow that kind of music for the most part. Of course, The Beatles are good, and out of the more recent bands, I think They Might Be Giants do interesting work, but there really isn't anything else that catches my attention.

Even John Williams has grown a lot since his first attempts at scoring. Compare his theme to Time Tunnel (Yes, THE John Williams wrote the theme to Time Tunnel)
with the relatively recent work Soundings

 

[Boytoy]

There are a few members on this board, myself included, who are concerned James Wong was a poor choice to helm Dragonball in light of the flimsiness of Wong’s past directorial efforts. What other directors come to mind for people here as being better suited to translate Dragonball to the big screen? Someone who I always thought would be ideal is Quentin Tarantino: He’s got a great sense of craft, he has a distinctive style, he has an interest in anime, and he loves writing weird, drawn-out monologues just like the ones in the show!

I wouldn't enjoy a live action movie with 2 hours of talking and 5 minutes of action.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

tha Matrix was such a huge success that it was next to impossible to top. the sequels are a product or over hype. i agree that they didn't really figure out everything, but the sequels have shown that the Wachowski's can pull off DB's trademark action in an epic setting.

No, see what you do not understand is they could not top the Matrix is because it wasn't their idea. The few ideas they smashed together made a fun and watchable thrill ride. They actually tried to write their own plot and story for the sequels and what we got was the antithesis of the original film. If you are going rip off Necromancer or Ghost in the Shell (Among many others), at the very least learn that your source material are about minimalism. Not huge and senseless action set piece that had no meaning, and thus have become irrelevant.

An example is Star Wars. Not original, outside the setting, in the least bit. But the original trilogy is cohesive and written as such.

i thought Bound was a well made film and V for Vendetta recieved a lot of critical praise, even if they were only the producers.

V for Vendetta received praise in the "well it is good enough" sort of way. No one is praising it as a timeless piece of filmmaking or even something that will matter in 10 years.

ENTIRELY your opinion. i found the script pretty clever, even if it isn't as genius as the first Matrix. they changed quite a few things from the comic, but they did it to reflect our times and our current problems. even if they don't have strong writing skills (which they do), they have an eye for action that is distinguishably unique and would be nothing but pure bliss to see applied to a live action DB fight.

What is unique about their action style? They look at comics and anime and put them on celluloid in the worst possible way. Their best work came directly from their stunt coordinators in the first Matrix film.

Also the changes they made to V for Vendetta had nothing to do with the times we live in. The ideas presented in the original comic books are even more relevant to the here and now. Their changes hurt the lead characters and turned all the supporting characters into 2-d versions of themselves.

once again, ENTIRELY your opinion. my opinion happens to be that, aside from his childrens movies, Rodriguez puts out great action flicks. my least favorite of his so far was Once Upon a Time in Mexico, but even that was entertaining. i won't deny that the actors definitely help his films, but that's like saying the actors help Guillermo or Peter Jackson's films. it's a given. however, the action in his movies are always intense and stylized with comic book movie type movements and sequences. those are things that you cannot contribute to the actor/actress because they weren't the ones that came up with the ideas.

His action isn't intense and you can call it stylized all you want, but that is another way of saying it makes no sense. Del Toro and Jackson have shown the ability to write and direct. Rodriguez has proven he can do neither. How can any "action" scene he writes have intensity when it is all a big part of a joke? No character of substance or credibily, doing outlandish things.

Saving Private Ryan is intense. Seven Samurai is intense. Raiders of the Lost Ark is instense. Rodriguez's films are not.

i thought the action in Kill Bill was good enough. Uma Therman looked novice, but that's not Tarantino's fault. i thought the angles and editing were done well enough. it's true that his movies are really just a conglomerate of movies that he's watched before, but that's the nature of art. DB, itself, is a conglomerate of stories and characters that Toriyama had experienced before he made DB.

The difference is the fighting in Kill Bill is the kind you find in wacky over the top parodies. Which Kill Bill is. Try and pull that off in a "serious" setting and it comes off as laughable.

i know he would never make a DB flick, even if this one weren't being made. however, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have made a good one either. despite his taste for movies and films, he has most of the qualifications that a director needs in order to make a successful DB flick. he might not ever want to do an Asian themed movie, but if he did DB, i could almost guarantee that it would be better than what we're getting now.

Well probably, but in a thread like this we should at least look at responsible options.

 

[Fantastic-Boy]

Ang Lee?!?!

 

[scarface078]

Michael Bay (what he did to Transformers, he can do whit dragonball
Jon Favreu (Iron Man , great movie same as Michael Bay
Stieven Spielberg ( i just love hits guy, he direct great movies, he's the executive producer of Transformers and the sequal so that says enough)
Peter Jackson (He did LOTR and it is ne of the best movies i've ever seen)
James Wong (i think he do a great job)

 

[V for Vendeta]

transformers has 147 million budget
Ironman 180 million budget
Indiana Jones 4 180 million budget
LOTR 270 million budget

Final destination budget 23 million
"the one" 49 million budget
Kung fu hustle 20 million budget

I think that Peter jackson has done a better job with his budget, make 3 masterpiece movies with 270 millions, and also stephen Chow, doing a movie like kungfu hustle with just 20 millions, i hope Chow has colaborate with Wong in the use of some of his secrets to use special effects in fights.

 

[DorkyFresh]

No, see what you do not understand is they could not top the Matrix is because it wasn't their idea.

insinuate much? i knew the Matrix wasn't fully their idea and that's one of the reasons why the sequels didn't live up to the original...ON TOP of the original being as hyped as it was.

V for Vendetta received praise in the "well it is good enough" sort of way. No one is praising it as a timeless piece of filmmaking or even something that will matter in 10 years.

72% on rottentomatoes.com is more than "good enough". as for V for Vendetta being a timeless piece of filmmaking or something that will be remembered in 10 years...that statement could be applied to the majority of films that comes from Hollywood. you think this DB movie will be timeless or remembered in 10 years?

What is unique about their action style? They look at comics and anime and put them on celluloid in the worst possible way. Their best work came directly from their stunt coordinators in the first Matrix film.

i wouldn't say they put comics and anime on film in the worst way, but their nack for eye catching action sequences is what makes them unique. despite your, personal, disdain for their work...most people who are into comics and anime enjoy their action scenes.

Also the changes they made to V for Vendetta had nothing to do with the times we live in. The ideas presented in the original comic books are even more relevant to the here and now. Their changes hurt the lead characters and turned all the supporting characters into 2-d versions of themselves.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/696/696867p2.html

His action isn't intense and you can call it stylized all you want, but that is another way of saying it makes no sense.

you realize we're talking about action right? 90% of the action in action films make no sense.

Del Toro and Jackson have shown the ability to write and direct. Rodriguez has proven he can do neither.

yeah...[sarcastic] i guess that's why he's constantly being compared to the likes of Paul W. Anderson and Uwe Boll.

How can any "action" scene he writes have intensity when it is all a big part of a joke? No character of substance or credibily, doing outlandish things.

DBZ's action scenes are intense, despite the characters having little substance and doing outlandish things. lack of character development doesn't equal less intensity when it comes to action. Jackie Chan managed to dish out countless, intense action sequences despite his character being painfully 2D in most of his movies.

Saving Private Ryan is intense. Seven Samurai is intense. Raiders of the Lost Ark is instense. Rodriguez's films are not.

i'm glad you're using the right to express your opinion, but try not to make it sound so absolute. it kinda sounds like you're trying to make your opinion sound like a fact.

The difference is the fighting in Kill Bill is the kind you find in wacky over the top parodies. Which Kill Bill is. Try and pull that off in a "serious" setting and it comes off as laughable.

as if DB is supposed to be in a serious setting. if anything, wacky and over the top is exactly how i would describe the anime...and it's how we should have been able to describe the live action movie.

Well probably, but in a thread like this we should at least look at responsible options.

who is this "we"? your 2 posts on this thread were basically trying to shoot my opinion of who could make a better DB movie than James Wong. if you're really so concerned about practically and logically finding a director who should have directed this movie then how about you stop waisting posts trying to convince me that my opinions are wrong and suggest someone of your own choice???

 

[xwolverine2]

this is totally Non-Spoilers material


Wong is director... get used to it

 

[Untilteld]

Uwe Boll.

 

[Adam]

Uwe Boll.

 

[arman200]

Michael Bay (what he did to Transformers, he can do whit dragonball

You want him to screw up Dragonball?!