Whose more stronger...black suited spiderman or venom?

[omid17]

It can't fight back against sound. The bells weakened it, driving it off of him. It then immediately found it's way to Brock.

i get it, somewhere i read where the suit was stronger with brock, that even bullets bounce off the suit

 

[The Joker]

I repeat my question before as I never got an answer.

No idea. In every universe, Peter got the symbiote first. But, in the comic books, Peter shot his webbing from mechanical webshooters. It was not a power he had. But, Venom could shoot webbing organically.

 

[omid17]

wow just realized, pete getting rid of the suit, killed eddie and symbiote, found out uncle bens death was an accident, harry dies was all in just one night

 

[batman11]

No idea. In every universe, Peter got the symbiote first. But, in the comic books, Peter shot his webbing from mechanical webshooters. It was not a power he had. But, Venom could shoot webbing organically.

I figured no one would be able to answer it, as it truthfully holds the key to the symbiote; what were its true powers before it bonded with Peter.

Yes in the comics he shot web from web shooters, and I know it may not be cannon, but in TAS, the webbing was organic. For those that can't remember, in the episode where he started to use the Symbiote Suit, he was shocked to find the webbing coming from his fists without web shooters.

Now, can we all at least agree on the fact that in the movie, there was no solid representation of who was stronger between the two; Symbiote Spidey or Venom?

 

[omid17]

I figured no one would be able to answer it, as it truthfully holds the key to the symbiote; what were its true powers before it bonded with Peter.

Yes in the comics he shot web from web shooters, and I know it may not be cannon, but in TAS, the webbing was organic. For those that can't remember, in the episode where he started to use the Symbiote Suit, he was shocked to find the webbing coming from his fists without web shooters.

Now, can we all at least agree on the fact that in the movie, there was no solid representation of who was stronger between the two; Symbiote Spidey or Venom?

do you think black spidey would be strong enough to pick up two cars and somehow take up 80 stories?

 

[The Joker]

do you think black spidey would be stong enough to pick up two cars and somehow take up 80 stories?

If Peter is strong enough to stop a SPEEDING TRAIN without the symbiote suit, then I'll say yes.

 

[batman11]

do you think black spidey would be strong enough to pick up two cars and somehow take up 80 stories?

To answer you're question in all honesty, yes. Dock Ock has already been more than generous with an answer, but I figure I'll chime in as well.

- in Spider-Man, Peter held the kids' tram car by ONE HAND, WITHOUT THE SYMBIOTE

- in Spider-Man 2, as DocOck said, Peter stopped an entire train at full speed, WITHOUT THE SYMBIOTE

- in Spider-Man 2, Peter held up an entire wall from the collapsing building in order to save Mary Jane from being crushed, WITHOUT THE SYMBIOTE

- in Spider-Man 3, WITH THE SYMBIOTE, he pulled the entire sewer grate from the ground with cement still attached to it, with little effort

So to answer your question again, yes.

BTW how do we know Venom did it? For all we know, Sandman sent the cars flying into the air where Venom webbed them up.

 

[omid17]

To answer you're question in all honesty, yes. Dock Ock has already been more than generous with an answer, but I figure I'll chime in as well.

- in Spider-Man, Peter held the kids' tram car by ONE HAND, WITHOUT THE SYMBIOTE

- in Spider-Man 2, as DocOck said, Peter stopped an entire train at full speed, WITHOUT THE SYMBIOTE

- in Spider-Man 2, Peter held up an entire wall from the collapsing building in order to save Mary Jane from being crushed, WITHOUT THE SYMBIOTE

- in Spider-Man 3, WITH THE SYMBIOTE, he pulled the entire sewer grate from the ground with cement still attached to it, with little effort

So to answer your question again, yes.

BTW how do we know Venom did it? For all we know, Sandman sent the cars flying into the air where Venom webbed them up.

so pretty much Venom and black spidey had the same powers strength

 

[The Joker]

so pretty much Venom and black spidey had the same powers strength

What are you basing that on? The strongest thing we saw Brock do was lift some vehicles. And for all we know, Sandman helped with that. Spidey, WITHOUT the symbiote, displayed greater feats of strength than that.

 

[batman11]

so pretty much Venom and black spidey had the same powers strength

We can't tell for sure as there was no solid evidence other than the fact that Venom did some powerful stuff, but Spidey accomplished feats of the same caliber if not greater, WITHOUT THE SUIT.

And I reiterate the point DocOck made originally, symbiote + super powered person is stronger than symbiote + regular person. If Spidey would've give in to the Symbiote more, his power's would be increased by such as a vast majority that he would be incredibly strong.

 

[omid17]

We can't tell for sure as there was no solid evidence other than the fact that Venom did some powerful stuff, but Spidey accomplished feats of the same caliber if not greater, WITHOUT THE SUIT.

And I reiterate the point DocOck made originally, symbiote + super powered person is stronger than symbiote + regular person. If Spidey would've give in to the Symbiote more, his power's would be increased by such as a vast majority that he would be incredibly strong.

if you also think about, i don't remember seing peter hurt venom by puching or kicking so maby i'd say venom is stronger

 

[batman11]

I think the real question should be, who's stronger, MJ or Venom?

I mean based on Spider-Man 3, MJ can pick up and hold a cinder block over here head without much effort. Not to mention that she doesn't even fumble with it or show any sign that it is heavy; she's a g-d!

 

[The Joker]

if you also think about, i don't remember seing peter hurt venom by puching or kicking so maby i'd say venom is stronger

LOL! You are the truest definition of a Venom fanboy

We're done here. It's been fun.

 

[batman11]

if you also think about, i don't remember seing peter hurt venom by puching or kicking so maby i'd say venom is stronger

Did you ever see Venom hurt Peter by punching or kicking?

LOL! You are the truest definition of a Venom fanboy

We're done here. It's been fun.

Hehe lol. t:

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

We can't tell for sure as there was no solid evidence other than the fact that Venom did some powerful stuff, but Spidey accomplished feats of the same caliber if not greater, WITHOUT THE SUIT.

And I reiterate the point DocOck made originally, symbiote + super powered person is stronger than symbiote + regular person. If Spidey would've give in to the Symbiote more, his power's would be increased by such as a vast majority that he would be incredibly strong.

Peter did give into the Symbiote for I think 2 two days. You could also see how his powers increased while fighting Harry in the mansion.

 

[batman11]

Peter did give into the Symbiote for I think 2 two days. You could also see how his powers increased while fighting Harry in the mansion.

Unfortunately, in Raimi's mind, I guess giving in is an increased sense of dancing and a passion for beckoning women on the street.

 

[omid17]

Did you ever see Venom hurt Peter by punching or kicking?

are you joking?

 

[omid17]

LOL! You are the truest definition of a Venom fanboy

We're done here. It's been fun.

its been a lot of fun, plus just wondering if your really being sarcastic

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Unfortunately, in Raimi's mind, I guess giving in is an increased sense of dancing and a passion for beckoning women on the street.

Those dancing scenes were for two things.


1. To show what the Symbiote was doing to Peter

2. humour

I really liked it, and I thought it was funny.

 

[omid17]

there was no humour just stupidity

 

[batman11]

are you joking?

No, I'm not.

In Spider-Man 3, here's the run down of Peter and Eddie's fight. Correct me if I'm wrong, but:

- Peter was kicked through glass of taxi. A few cuts, but he's not hurt.

- Peter lunges at Eddie, who smacks him down. Peter lands in the web unharmed.

- Eddie jumps from above and lands on Peter. Surely it would hurt a normal man, but Peter wasn't even affected by it; not even a moan of pain.

- Peter punches Eddie from the web; they fight in mid air. Eddie sticks Peter's hand with "symbiote goo" and Peter falls to the ground. He gets up and finds his mask, virtually unharmed.

- Venom kicks Peter to the girder, where he gets up almost immediately, virtually unharmed.

- Venom strangles Peter with web; thats not a punch or kick is it?

- Venom lunges at Peter and Harry helps Pete kick Venom away. Venom lands and actually looks dazed.

- Venom pulls Peter up and smashes his head on a girder above. He then punches Peter. Peter was already falling from the smash on the girder, not the punch.

- Venom webs Peter up and smacks him around with the pole. He even says "never WOUND", which clearly sates that he was actually hurt by Peter's kick up to the other level of the construction site. This seems to be the only time Venom has actually really hurt Peter.

- Peter kills Venom with sound and Pumpkin bomb.

So now if you could please explain where Venom's punches hurt Peter, please do so now, I'm listening.

 

[batman11]

Those dancing scenes were for two things.


1. To show what the Symbiote was doing to Peter

2. humour

I really liked it, and I thought it was funny.

1. This contradicted itself, as the symbiote made Peter angry at Ditcovich earlier in the film, yet made him a dancer later in the film. We saw the symbiote amplify aggression like Connors said, but then it switched into dance mode for some reason.

2. To me it wasn't humor. It was funny in a really, REALLY sad and stupid way.

 

[omid17]

No, I'm not.

In Spider-Man 3, here's the run down of Peter and Eddie's fight. Correct me if I'm wrong, but:

- Peter was kicked through glass of taxi. A few cuts, but he's not hurt.

- Peter lunges at Eddie, who smacks him down. Peter lands in the web unharmed.

- Eddie jumps from above and lands on Peter. Surely it would hurt a normal man, but Peter wasn't even affected by it; not even a moan of pain.

- Peter punches Eddie from the web; they fight in mid air. Eddie sticks Peter's hand with "symbiote goo" and Peter falls to the ground. He gets up and finds his mask, virtually unharmed.

- Venom kicks Peter to the girder, where he gets up almost immediately, virtually unharmed.

- Venom strangles Peter with web; thats not a punch or kick is it?

- Venom lunges at Peter and Harry helps Pete kick Venom away. Venom lands and actually looks dazed.

- Venom pulls Peter up and smashes his head on a girder above. He then punches Peter. Peter was already falling from the smash on the girder, not the punch.

- Venom webs Peter up and smacks him around with the pole. He even says "never WOUND", which clearly sates that he was actually hurt by Peter's kick up to the other level of the construction site. This seems to be the only time Venom has actually really hurt Peter.

- Peter kills Venom with sound and Pumpkin bomb.

So now if you could please explain where Venom's punches hurt Peter, please do so now, I'm listening.

i guess venom didn't use a lot of puching ank kicking, but pete did less of that, thats why i considered him weaker than venom

 

[batman11]

i guess venom didn't use a lot of puching ank kicking, but pete did less of that, thats why i considered him weaker than venom

Alas, the words of defeat.

t:

 

[omid17]

Alas, the words of defeat.

t:

i guess while venom was in mid air he never used a puch or kick on spidey?