Whose more stronger...black suited spiderman or venom?

i guess while venom was in mid air he never used a puch or kick on spidey?
:huh:

Did you read my post? I acknolwedged the fact that they fought in mid air, but it was Venom's "symbiote goo" that caused Peter to fall, as he could not break free in time to produce a strand of web that would allow him to swing safely away from the ground.

Any other questions? :cwink:
 
Did you read my post? I acknolwedged the fact that they fought in mid air, but it was Venom's "symbiote goo" that caused Peter to fall, as he could not break free in time to produce a strand of web that would allow him to swing safely away from the ground.

Any other questions? :cwink:
whatever all i know is that he used punches and kicks also helped him almost defeat spider man
 
so why did venom own the whole time spiderman in the final battle?
 
so why did venom own the whole time spiderman in the final battle?

Because it was his only fight scene in the whole movie, and if Spidey kicked his ass all the way thru, it would only make him look like a pathetic threat.
 
lets think here....

Advantages of Spider-Man....uh...well...uhm...


Advantages of Venom....

  • He knows all personal information about Spidey (according to the movie)
  • He has the strength of Spider-Man plus muscles.
  • He knows who his g/f is so she is at risk...

uhh...yeah i think venom would win

Have you ever read the comics? Spider-Man woops on Venom all the time. Why? Because he's much smarter, faster, and Venom is really vulnerable to sound and fire.
 
Who is stronger without the symbiote? Peter. What does the symbiote do? It enhances characteristics. Therefore Peter would be stronger with the symbiote on. Venom is a badass, and a match for Peter without the symbiote, but if they were both to have it at the same time, I'm pretty sure it would turn into some big burly brawl.

It would be cool to see in the comics.
 
Answer: It was never truly established who was stronger in the movie so arguing over this is pointless.
 
I think it is obvious that Symbiote Spidey would be stronger, Peter had super-strength BEFORE bonding with the Symbiote, so bonding with it would have made him stronger.

Eddie had NO super-powers before bonding with it, so the super-strength he displayed was ALL the Symbiote.
 
Are we talking about in the comics or in the movie? In the 616 canon, it has repeatedly been established that the symbiote geometrically increases Brock's already-significant strength, while it never augmented Spidey's at all, and Venom with the symbiote was thus stronger than Spider-man ever was while wearing it. Fact.
 
Alright comic wise, I would say that venom started off stronger than spidey and spidey never displayed an increase in strength while he wore the venom symbiote or any other black suit.

in the tas cartoon, i would also say that venom was stronger than spidey since spidey mentioned this and was easily dominated by venom in battle (in normal clothes). In comparing their black costumes to one another i would still say venom was stronger because of a stronger bond between them.

based on this stronger bond analogy and the fact that we get the impression that venom kept the costume on continually and didn't keep putting it on or off and driven by the suit's rejection (if it was sentient), i would say that venom was stronger as well, even though there is no true evidence to support this claim. Saying this though in the hollywood tradition of having doppelgangers i could give argument to show venom was probably around the same strength as parker in the suit.

I don't think the suit's reaction to strength enhancements are based on the superhuman aspect rather the strength of someone. I think it is a size multiplier and doesn't take into account pre-existing strength tendancies (but takes into account strength of the bond and the longevity of the host wearing it).

so a smaller build superhero would not see that much of a increase in strength than a laregely built normal person.

so give it to giant man and we're in serious trouble.
 
Answer: It was never truly established who was stronger in the movie so arguing over this is pointless.

Agreed. It's like saying who better,Freddy or Jason. They both have their advantages and they both can't really die. I think it all just depends on people's favortism.
 
Alright comic wise, I would say that venom started off stronger than spidey and spidey never displayed an increase in strength while he wore the venom symbiote or any other black suit.

in the tas cartoon, i would also say that venom was stronger than spidey since spidey mentioned this and was easily dominated by venom in battle (in normal clothes). In comparing their black costumes to one another i would still say venom was stronger because of a stronger bond between them.
based on this stronger bond analogy and the fact that we get the impression that venom kept the costume on continually and didn't keep putting it on or off and driven by the suit's rejection (if it was sentient), i would say that venom was stronger as well, even though there is no true evidence to support this claim. Saying this though in the hollywood tradition of having doppelgangers i could give argument to show venom was probably around the same strength as parker in the suit.

I don't think the suit's reaction to strength enhancements are based on the superhuman aspect rather the strength of someone. I think it is a size multiplier and doesn't take into account pre-existing strength tendancies (but takes into account strength of the bond and the longevity of the host wearing it).

so a smaller build superhero would not see that much of a increase in strength than a laregely built normal person.

so give it to giant man and we're in serious trouble.

I remember in TAS Spidey did say that the Symbiote did make him stronger.
 
but that doesn't mean that it was a better bond...

based on this and also the size variations..

venom should technically still be stronger
 
- Venom webs Peter up and smacks him around with the pole. He even says "never WOUND", which clearly sates that he was actually hurt by Peter's kick up to the other level of the construction site. This seems to be the only time Venom has actually really hurt Peter.
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he was reffering to Peter getting him fired earlier on... not getting punched or w/e



anyway in the Comics Venom is stronger then symbiote spidey, that is FACT

in TAS and the movie i thought it was pretty much understood that Venom was transferred symbiote spideys strength, plus Brocks own, so it wouldnt be super human plus symbiote vs. normal human plus symbiote
 
Venom is stronger than Spider-man.

Theoretically, Spider-man is could be stronger if he gave into the power and symbiote due to his "natural power." But he isn't.

Most of the time, Spider-man wins by cheating (using fire/sound), calling it a truce, or running away.
 
Venom is stronger than Spider-man.

Theoretically, Spider-man is could be stronger if he gave into the power and symbiote due to his "natural power." But he isn't.

Most of the time, Spider-man wins by cheating (using fire/sound), calling it a truce, or running away.
That's not cheating, that's using your head..

Are you telling me that if some extremely strong guy was kicking your ass around with minimal effort and was ready to kill you, you wouldn't grab a nearby pole and bash him in the head with it in self-defense? Sure, you could try fighting him with fists, but you're kinda screwed if you're doing that as compared to using a pole to heighten your chances of winning.
 
That's not cheating, that's using your head..

Are you telling me that if some extremely strong guy was kicking your ass around with minimal effort and was ready to kill you, you wouldn't grab a nearby pole and bash him in the head with it in self-defense? Sure, you could try fighting him with fists, but you're kinda screwed if you're doing that as compared to using a pole to heighten your chances of winning.

i agree, but i didn't like how spider man grabed a gobby bomb to defeat venom
 
That's not cheating, that's using your head..

Are you telling me that if some extremely strong guy was kicking your ass around with minimal effort and was ready to kill you, you wouldn't grab a nearby pole and bash him in the head with it in self-defense? Sure, you could try fighting him with fists, but you're kinda screwed if you're doing that as compared to using a pole to heighten your chances of winning.

It's not fair really, Venom is ever so weak against fire of sound.

Oh well..

I guess Venom cheats because he can sneak up on him!
 
but that doesn't mean that it was a better bond...

based on this and also the size variations..

venom should technically still be stronger

But super-strength plus the symbiote is bound to be stronger (i'm taling strength not bond here) than a normal person plus symbiote isnt it?
 
Pls, i have one question, in which comics, spidey fight in black suit with venom... thx for answer...
its probably happened, but peter has a suit that looks just like the alien costume,but its a fabric suit,not alien
so i doubt they ever fought each other while they were both bonded to the alien, but im sure they both fought each other in the same outfit
 

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