Look everyone it's Al Bundy #1!
Yeah, that's not funny at all. Not to mention, are you gonna start calling every poster that comes in here
Al Bundy #2, 3, 4, etc just because they think TDK is a better movie than anything Marvel's put out so far?
That'll really support your argument
t:
Good topic, I've read through all posts and I don't think I can add too much more to what's already been said.
However I'll say this, just the fact that this one poster above me felt the need to put his damn clapping Joker video in an Avengers thread says to me that mostly the "crossover hate" is indeed from DC fanboys, or alternatively from general audience people who don't understand the nature of the comic crossover design.
If Marvel puts Hawkeye in Thor for a few seconds they claim "Hawkeye did nothing and served no purpose to the overall story", however if they had put Hawkeye in Thor for screentime similiar to Black Widow in IM2 then they would've said "Hawkeye was just there to serve as obligitory advertising for the Avengers and distracted from the overall story" so Marvel is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The fact is that Marvel Studios is about to do something in 2012 that is a cinematic first and it scares some people, makes people nervous and they don't want to accept it as the innovative movie concept that it is. Nolan fanboys just want to cling to that Dark Knight and Nolan for dear life because that's all they've got and the general audience people should just shut up altogether and stick to reviewing the latest Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks schmaltz.
If Marvel does the same thing they'll get criticized, if they try something new and different they'll get critcized, and that's just simply because people will always try to figure out a way to bring down whoever's on top.
Do you even bother to read through the posts in a thread before you post a reply?
For the third time, I don't like DC.
All the comic books that I own are Marvel comics.
What I do like is great movies. The Dark Knight was a great movie. While I enjoyed all of Marvel's movies, they're far from great.
That's the root of this discussion.
Bashing Nolan and TDK only reduces the weight of your argument because you're technically advocating that the best in the genre [arguably] isn't the best just because when compared to Marvel's films it comes out on top.
I understand "the nature of the comic crossover design" and while it may be fun to see all these heroes share the same universe cinematically, its diminished the quality of each of their individual ventures. That's a general consensus too, not just my own opinion.
What really kills me about this whole TDK debate is that just by creating an Avengers topic about "crossover hate" (which has nothing to do with The Dark Knight) no less than 10 posts into it someone brings up that damn movie, and then after they themselves introduce that movie into the discussion by comparison they turn right around and say "well those two movies can't be compared because The Dark Knight isn't a superhero movie it's a crime drama thriller and Marvel only does superhero movies".
So if TDK is a "crime drama thriller" and not a superhero movie why the hell do these people keep trying to introduce that movie into every comicbook movie discussion when by their own claim they're saying that it's not a comicbook movie?
Which by the way is a bunch of nonsense anyway, The Dark Knight is a comicbook adaptation or a superhero movie anyway you slice it, you can go to BoxOffice Mojo and they've got that movie categorized by genre as comicbook adaptation and superhero not "crime drama thriller". 'Heat' is crime drama, 'The Departed' is crime drama, 'Carlito's Way', 'Goodfellas' 'Casino' are all crime dramas,
'The Dark Knight' is a superhero or comicbook adaptation movie, period. Stop trying to make that damn movie something that it's not.
Read the post below. Some of the people here advocating against TDK are actually trying to use the escape route of "Its not a superhero movie, so it shouldn't be compared to Marvel's films".
With respect to your statement that Nolan's TDK franchise is a crime drama and MARVEL studios makes SUPERHERO movies, WELL SAID!!!
They cannot be compared as you also rightfully said.
From my experience, everything is compared to The Dark Knight, just as they were compared to Spider-Man 2 prior to that, because it is considered to be the best.
Your definition of "superhero" is inconsistent. If not having powers makes Batman not a "superhero" but a "costumed vigilante", then Iron Man is not a superhero, and neither is Green Lantern.
Exactly
This whole "You can't compare Marvel's movies to TDK because Batman isn't a superhero" argument is crap. And if I just remove TDK from the equation, X2, SM2 and X-Men First Class are
still superior to the Marvel Studios movies. What's the excuse for that?
I absolutely love the Al Bundy post about the 4 touchdowns in 1 game. That was pretty freaking awesome.
Not really
Honestly when I go see a film about superheros I dont really need to go into it saying "man I hope this gets nominated for an Oscar!" and Ive seen and loved DC and Marvel movies alike.
They equally are great in their own ways, you just get these left and right wing radicals who couldnt even say the word agreement. Im sick and tired of the Marvel vs. DC bs. In the end ITS ALL how YOU feel about a movie. Whether people agree with you or not, it is what it is.
DC has put out these past couple Batman movies which are awesome. Marvel has come out with TIH IM IM2 THor Cap which are awesome as well, IN THERE OWN FRIGGIN WAY.
Stop comparing movies for the sake of trying to prove whos D*%* is bigger for the love of god.......and honestly and Im being completely unbiased in this, whenever I tend to see these comparisons 90% of the time DC fans bringing up TDK, we get it...it was a good movie.....carry on with your life.
I love all the DC fanboys coming into Marvel threads and expecting everyone to see there point of view, that TDK is the greatest Superhero movie to date..........I cant even imagen these people have this little common sense....which only means they're here to start arguments......how typical
Since you apparently just came here to make a statement rather than reply to someone's posts - because you clearly haven't read through the thread at all,
I don't like DC.
I like great movies. Apocalypse Now, The Tree of Life, There Will Be Blood, A Clockwork Orange, Naked Lunch, Dead Man, Black Swan,
The Dark Knight.
My point of view is that I like great movies. If I start saying Apocalypse Now is not a great movie just because I'm mad that people keep saying its better than Weekend at Bernie's, I'm not only reducing weight in my argument but I'm fooling myself.
If you're gonna show support for Marvel's movies, try doing it objectively
You don't think TDK's the best in the genre? Fine. You're entitled to that opinion.
But don't go around telling everyone else that opposing your sentiment makes them "DC fanboys trying to prove whos D*%* is bigger."
. I would be honored to have created an internet reference. LOL.
