The Avengers Why all the cross-over hate?

[C. Lee]

It's a thread about how the guy thinks captain america was better than TDK but things have stoped so there's no problem there now.
Sorry if i bothered you, i wasn't expecting you to become interested in another flame war

I'm currently involved in 4 flame wars around the site....looks like a good night to set a banning record.

 

[Rock Sexton]

They see me trolling, they hating.....

LOL.

This got a nice chuckle out of me!

 

[T-CLIPSE]

I say we just go ahead and start putting people on probation for continuing the stupid Marvel/Dc war....they've had enough warnings.

I've got a question,...by definition what makes a Marvel/DC war stupid? Those guys are the big two, it's only natural that fans of either will come to the side of one or the other. You guys are running a comicbook fan site and you really don't expect that people will naturally discuss, debate, or support one company over the other?

That would be like having a football fan site and not expect that people will have Steelers VS Cowboys talk, having a boxing fan site and not having Ali VS Fraiser talk, a soft drink fan site and no Coke VS Pepsi talk, a hotel fan site but no Hilton VS Mariott talk.

Now I'll admit the Marvel Vs DC discussion doesn't belong here in the Avengers movie forum and that's where I'll admit I went wrong but however I'll say this also, I didn't call any poster any names nor attack anyone as an individual other than the DC product itself and how about this as a suggestion. How about providing a forum where we actually can go to discuss the pros and cons of our favorite companies, characters and movies and why we prefer one versus the other.

I mean even Marvel and DC themselves realized that fans want to see and discuss it so they put out comics about Spider-Man VS Superman, Batman/Hulk, X-Men/Teen Titans, Justice League/Avengers and later they even put out a comic called what?......Marvel VS DC, does that make those guys stupid too? They even went as far as to let us vote on the outcome because they knew that we as fans would be interested in the debate.

You can tell by my post count that I only come here every so often and maybe there actually is a place where one can come here to have that type of discussion that I don't know about, if so please direct me there and I'll gladly go there and if there isn't a place to go to have that kind of discussion maybe somebody should give some consideration to providing one.

The word "fan" comes from the word fanatic, and to have these fans come here and not expect them to become fanatic and not openly discuss there thoughts of one competitor over the other is an unrealistic expectation.

Sorry for disctracting from the original thread topic, but in my defense....I'm just a fan.

 

[Lord]

The problem is when they star a flaming war in a place they shouldn't, since flaming wars are impossible to stop sometimes i think there should be a thread devoted to flame wars so that those that want to start one should just go there and those that entered the thread would be going there at their oun risk, but what i find funny is that these flame wars never begin in the unpopular opinions where everybody is actually able to understand each others opinions.
Now i think we should go back to the crossover hate, do you guys think that marvel studios will make as many crossovers in the movies after Avengers?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I've got a question,...by definition what makes a Marvel/DC war stupid? Those guys are the big two, it's only natural that fans of either will come to the side of one or the other. You guys are running a comicbook fan site and you really don't expect that people will naturally discuss, debate, or support one company over the other?

That would be like having a football fan site and not expect that people will have Steelers VS Cowboys talk, having a boxing fan site and not having Ali VS Fraiser talk, a soft drink fan site and no Coke VS Pepsi talk, a hotel fan site but no Hilton VS Mariott talk.

Now I'll admit the Marvel Vs DC discussion doesn't belong here in the Avengers movie forum and that's where I'll admit I went wrong but however I'll say this also, I didn't call any poster any names nor attack anyone as an individual other than the DC product itself and how about this as a suggestion. How about providing a forum where we actually can go to discuss the pros and cons of our favorite companies, characters and movies and why we prefer one versus the other.

I mean even Marvel and DC themselves realized that fans want to see and discuss it so they put out comics about Spider-Man VS Superman, Batman/Hulk, X-Men/Teen Titans, Justice League/Avengers and later they even put out a comic called what?......Marvel VS DC, does that make those guys stupid too? They even went as far as to let us vote on the outcome because they knew that we as fans would be interested in the debate.

You can tell by my post count that I only come here every so often and maybe there actually is a place where one can come here to have that type of discussion that I don't know about, if so please direct me there and I'll gladly go there and if there isn't a place to go to have that kind of discussion maybe somebody should give some consideration to providing one.

The word "fan" comes from the word fanatic, and to have these fans come here and not expect them to become fanatic and not openly discuss there thoughts of one competitor over the other is an unrealistic expectation.

Sorry for disctracting from the original thread topic, but in my defense....I'm just a fan.

There is a big difference between intelligent discussion and "Your company sucks, LULZ!" arguments. All Marvel/DC discussions degenerate into insulting the other people for liking one company over another. Yes, in a football stadium, you are bound to get people who support 1 team over another. But, when those two fans start throwing fists, they get tossed out of the stadium. Same thing here. You guys want to act like children, I'll give you a bottle and put you in timeout. Simple as that. I have no problem with intelligent discussion. That just doesn't happen often here.

 

[Lord]

There is a big difference between intelligent discussion and "Your company sucks, LULZ!" arguments. All Marvel/DC discussions degenerate into insulting the other people for liking one company over another. Yes, in a football stadium, you are bound to get people who support 1 team over another. But, when those two fans start throwing fists, they get tossed out of the stadium. Same thing here. You guys want to act like children, I'll give you a bottle and put you in timeout. Simple as that. I have no problem with intelligent discussion. That just doesn't happen often here.

Well said

 

[Bathead]

Amen, brother.

 

[docdoc]

I'm fine with all the "avengers set up" things in every marvel studio films expect for those in IRON MAN 2.....

 

[Adamantium Man]

The so-called "Avengers set-up" things are possibly spin-off set-ups, though, if Black Widow and War Machine get their own flicks. Apart from that, we had, what, Coulson mentioning the Land of Enchantment, and Cap's shield. How was that worse than what we got in Thor and Cap?

 

[cherokeesam]

The so-called "Avengers set-up" things are possibly spin-off set-ups, though, if Black Widow and War Machine get their own flicks. Apart from that, we had, what, Coulson mentioning the Land of Enchantment, and Cap's shield. How was that worse than what we got in Thor and Cap?

Or the Captain America references/ Serum in TIH, along with the cameo by Stark. Nobody ever mentions it, but TIH is far guiltier of Avengers cross-promo than any of the other prequels.

But the thread title still begs the question: who the hell *does* have a problem with all this cross-promo? I STRONGLY doubt that any of the movies now or ever will *require* viewers to see the other movies to cross-reference an item. Aside from Back to the Future 2 and 3, I can't think of many instances where sequel or tie-in movies ever required a viewer to see another film before he can fully understand this one.

I'm sure Whedon is well aware that there'll be plenty of Avengers moviegoers who may have seen only a few (or even none) of the prequels, and I'm sure Whedon will bring them up to date as quickly and early as possible in this movie.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I'm fine with all the "avengers set up" things in every marvel studio films expect for those in IRON MAN 2.....

What was wrong with the setup in Iron Man 2? Black Widow being in the movie? She's frequently been in Iron Man comics. SHIELD taking an interest and talking to Stark? Well you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower out there, I'd definitely think the government would want to keep tabs on him. Fury helping Stark out? Once again you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower, you notice his behavior has been increasing erratic. You have an agent evaluating him, one who most likely figured out the secret to the behavior, give him a quick fix cure and set him down the path of a real cure, giving him a project to focus on so the erratic behavior will be eliminated or at least be lessened. All the Avengers stuff fit into the story being told, I really don't understand the hate the movie gets, I thought it was great, sure it retread some ground from the first one, but that's fine.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

What was wrong with the setup in Iron Man 2? Black Widow being in the movie? She's frequently been in Iron Man comics. SHIELD taking an interest and talking to Stark? Well you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower out there, I'd definitely think the government would want to keep tabs on him. Fury helping Stark out? Once again you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower, you notice his behavior has been increasing erratic. You have an agent evaluating him, one who most likely figured out the secret to the behavior, give him a quick fix cure and set him down the path of a real cure, giving him a project to focus on so the erratic behavior will be eliminated or at least be lessened. All the Avengers stuff fit into the story being told, I really don't understand the hate the movie gets, I thought it was great, sure it retread some ground from the first one, but that's fine.

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[R_Hythlodeus]

what was wrong with the setup in iron man 2? Black widow being in the movie? She's frequently been in iron man comics. Shield taking an interest and talking to stark? Well you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower out there, i'd definitely think the government would want to keep tabs on him. Fury helping stark out? Once again you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower, you notice his behavior has been increasing erratic. You have an agent evaluating him, one who most likely figured out the secret to the behavior, give him a quick fix cure and set him down the path of a real cure, giving him a project to focus on so the erratic behavior will be eliminated or at least be lessened. All the avengers stuff fit into the story being told, i really don't understand the hate the movie gets, i thought it was great, sure it retread some ground from the first one, but that's fine.

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[Raiden]

What was wrong with the setup in Iron Man 2? Black Widow being in the movie? She's frequently been in Iron Man comics. SHIELD taking an interest and talking to Stark? Well you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower out there, I'd definitely think the government would want to keep tabs on him. Fury helping Stark out? Once again you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower, you notice his behavior has been increasing erratic. You have an agent evaluating him, one who most likely figured out the secret to the behavior, give him a quick fix cure and set him down the path of a real cure, giving him a project to focus on so the erratic behavior will be eliminated or at least be lessened. All the Avengers stuff fit into the story being told, I really don't understand the hate the movie gets, I thought it was great, sure it retread some ground from the first one, but that's fine.

I agree. Some people dislike the so-called "pointless" cameo of Hawkeye in Thor, even though it was a great little Easter Egg that didn't hurt the movie, and in IM2 where both Fury and BW are factored into the plot, and people still complain. I mean, why have a MCU where every Marvel Studios movie is connected if none of them show up or mentioned or referenced in any of the movie? What would set them apart from all those non-related WB movies or the Sony and Fox movies based on Marvel superheroes? Marvel is actually doing something that has never been done before, even for movies that don't belong in the C2M genre, so they'd like to bash it because it is different and is a huge gamble.

 

[Son of Coul]

Hawkeye's cameo hurt nothing. It illustrated the threat SHIELD was and raised the stakes, as did the fight with the nameless guard just beforehand. Nobody complains about the nameless guard because he was just that. However if he were a character from the comics everyone would be complaining about it being "pointless" and "fanservice" and "set-up." Not the GA, just as the GA doesn't think anything of Hawkeye, just the biggest fans, which as I said, is the greatest irony.

 

[weezerspider]

What was wrong with the setup in Iron Man 2? Black Widow being in the movie? She's frequently been in Iron Man comics. SHIELD taking an interest and talking to Stark? Well you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower out there, I'd definitely think the government would want to keep tabs on him. Fury helping Stark out? Once again you've got a guy in a suit of armor with major firepower, you notice his behavior has been increasing erratic. You have an agent evaluating him, one who most likely figured out the secret to the behavior, give him a quick fix cure and set him down the path of a real cure, giving him a project to focus on so the erratic behavior will be eliminated or at least be lessened. All the Avengers stuff fit into the story being told, I really don't understand the hate the movie gets, I thought it was great, sure it retread some ground from the first one, but that's fine.

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[amazingfantasy15]

+100 Destroy Vehicle
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+30 Squad Assist
+30 Critical Assist
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What does this mean? Are you trying to compare Iron Man 2 to Call of Duty?

 

[C. Lee]

Hawkeye's cameo hurt nothing. It illustrated the threat SHIELD was and raised the stakes, as did the fight with the nameless guard just beforehand. Nobody complains about the nameless guard because he was just that. However if he were a character from the comics everyone would be complaining about it being "pointless" and "fanservice" and "set-up." Not the GA, just as the GA doesn't think anything of Hawkeye, just the biggest fans, which as I said, is the greatest irony.

Yep.

I think it's a shame when a studio does something for the fans and the fans complain. I've been here for 9 years...and have heard thousands upon thousands of times "I wish the studios would throw us a bone and put someone from the comic universe that isn't who the movie is about into a movie. It would show that they think about us."

Now of course what we hear most is "The damn studio put character [insert name here] into the movie and he wasn't essential to the plot...what dorks, ruining a movie with that 3 minute cameo."

 

[Shadowlord X]

No matter what someone says in their post or what their site-name is, trust me, REAL MARVEL fans are not complaining about cross-overs, cameos, etc.

 

[Adamantium Man]

Anyone who doesn't like the cross-over cameos can go back to watching the other CBM franchises, for all I care. More room for my ass at the movies.

 

[hatebox]

There isn't really that much cross-over hate anyway - people didn't like IM2 because it was a boring, muddled movie, not because of the Avengers stuff that didn't take up much time.

 

[Adamantium Man]

*Some* people didn't like IM2. I liked it just fine. Don't go lumping me in with "people", yo.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well I think Iron Man is extremely overrated but I still think its a good movie and so as Iron Man 2. I loved that it had Black Widow, the story just wasn't that strong and polished. I didn't like the roof top towards the end, I thought it was sooo cheesy.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

i think they did it right about everything...they attract non comic book fans as well as they try to satisfy the fans...i guess complainig happens cause of oversaturation;-)

 

[Raiden]

Yep.

I think it's a shame when a studio does something for the fans and the fans complain. I've been here for 9 years...and have heard thousands upon thousands of times "I wish the studios would throw us a bone and put someone from the comic universe that isn't who the movie is about into a movie. It would show that they think about us."

Now of course what we hear most is "The damn studio put character [insert name here] into the movie and he wasn't essential to the plot...what dorks, ruining a movie with that 3 minute cameo."

Well-said. And if they put that character into the movie and tied into the plot, like Fury and BW did in IM2, those same fans will now complain about the studio went overboard, and the movie is now not about the main character but about those cameos and guest-appearances, even though their screentime don't amount to be very much.