Why all the hate over the flag shot?

[sundaycall]

Wow, some guys and gals are gettin fierce over American politics here.

Well what if I put this to you? I'm from Ireland. I'm quite proud of being Irish. I love the Irish flag. However if a film was made in Ireland or about Ireland that carried quite a large profile, and was intended to represent the result of a film-maker's attempts at a serious and legitimate craft.... and before the climax the protagonist walked into the final confrontation backed by a giant CGI waving Green White and Orange Banner as a representation of heroism....I'd be embarrassed, I mean really, I'd be thinking;

"****, is that really how these guys wanted to project the story and message and motivation of a character, I mean I love the flag and the country but this is all a bit much for a 'respectable' film...isn't it? I mean yeah I see what you're tryin to do but it's all a bit, cliche', contrived, even lazy. All very for God and country, for nation and Government, for the aul home soil....I mean there's a lot more to it than a flag if that's the kind of imagery and feeling you're tryin to invoke. That was just silly and unnecessary."

Is this maiking any sense?

 

[Fried Gold]

Wow, some guys and gals are gettin fierce over American politics here.

Well what if I put this to you? I'm from Ireland. I'm quite proud of being Irish. I love the Irish flag. However if a film was made in Ireland or about Ireland that carried quite a large profile, and was intended to represent the result of a film-maker's attempts at a serious and legitimate craft.... and before the climax the protagonist walked into the final confrontation backed by a giant CGI waving Green White and Orange Banner as a representation of heroism....I'd be embarrassed, I mean really, I'd be thinking;

"****, is that really how these guys wanted to project the story and message and motivation of a character, I mean I love the flag and the country but this is all a bit much for a 'respectable' film...isn't it? I mean yeah I see what you're tryin to do but it's all a bit, cliche', contrived, even lazy. All very for God and country, for nation and Government, for the aul home soil....I mean there's a lot more to it than a flag if that's the kind of imagery and feeling you're tryin to invoke. That was just silly and unnecessary."

Is this maiking any sense?

You obviously hate Ireland, care little for the radical islamic extremists that are taking over your country by shouting, and you a massive hypocrite because you think that the shot of the Union Jack in the Spy Who Loved Me is okay.

 

[Spider - Man]

So, what you're saying is, all the darkies should just shut up and go home? I disagree, by the way, but that's okay.

Nice try on your strenuous link between my joke with GRUNT95 about the aesthetics of the American flag, segueing into a debate regarding the ideals of radicalist Islamic groups. It didn't seemed forced at all.

"Darkies". Wow. Clever how you manage to slip a racist slur in under the pretense that it was actually me saying it. Nice try but I never even came close to being racist in my remarks, so yet another layer peeled away revealing your true 'character'.

Funny how you miss the point of my responses to you and I'm tired of trying. It's kinda like having to repeatedly explain the punchline of a joke - eventually I just have to admit you don't have the capacity to understand. I'd be curious to hear how 'interested' you are in what is shown in that video in ten years or so, but I'm becoming more convinced that you actually support the radical Islamic state that is quickly taking over your country. So I'm done with you, you ignorant crank. Post all the smarmy, sarcastic slights you wish - that (referring to your posting smarmy, sarcastic slights - so I don't have to come back later and explain it to you!) is probably the only outlet you have to vent your frustrations.

As far as the original subject of this thread, 'Why all the hate over the American flag shot?', I think that has been clearly revealed.

 

[Spider - Man]

Wow, some guys and gals are gettin fierce over American politics here.

Well what if I put this to you? I'm from Ireland. I'm quite proud of being Irish. I love the Irish flag. However if a film was made in Ireland or about Ireland that carried quite a large profile, and was intended to represent the result of a film-maker's attempts at a serious and legitimate craft.... and before the climax the protagonist walked into the final confrontation backed by a giant CGI waving Green White and Orange Banner as a representation of heroism....I'd be embarrassed, I mean really, I'd be thinking;

"****, is that really how these guys wanted to project the story and message and motivation of a character, I mean I love the flag and the country but this is all a bit much for a 'respectable' film...isn't it? I mean yeah I see what you're tryin to do but it's all a bit, cliche', contrived, even lazy. All very for God and country, for nation and Government, for the aul home soil....I mean there's a lot more to it than a flag if that's the kind of imagery and feeling you're tryin to invoke. That was just silly and unnecessary."

Is this maiking any sense?

You know, all respect to you and your opinion, but I'm done. If you can't see the logic of why I don't understand people getting upset over the flag shot after reading 15+ pages of my posts, you never will. All I can say is maybe you feel differently about the Irish flag and what it represents than I do about the american flag and what it represents because I don't find showing the flag in that context lazy, embarrassing, or whatever.

 

[Fried Gold]

but I'm becoming more convinced that you actually support the radical Islamic state that is quickly taking over your country.

Are you actually ******ed?

 

[Spider - Man]

Are you actually ******ed?

No, but I'm sure my IQ has dropped several points just from talking to you. Are you denying that what I said about Islam taking over England and Europe is true?

You should read this - http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-...0385514727/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-6100014-9691269

- but as this line from one of the reviews - "Bawer's central theme, Europeans' indifference to the growing influence of Islam in Europe, is one deserving serious attention" - seems to describe your attitude to a T, reading it would probably be a waste of time. If you're so blind as to what's going on right around you, I doubt reading a book is going to help you. You think that the radicals are taking over your country by 'shouting'? I think the real question is, are YOU ******ed?

 

[Fried Gold]

No, but I'm sure my IQ has dropped several points just from talking to you. Are you denying that what I said about Islam taking over England and Europe is true?

You should read this - http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-...0385514727/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-6100014-9691269

- but as this line from one of the reviews - "Bawer's central theme, Europeans' indifference to the growing influence of Islam in Europe, is one deserving serious attention" - seems to describe your attitude to a T, reading it would probably be a waste of time. If you're so blind as to what's going on right around you, I doubt reading a book is going to help you. You think that the radicals are taking over your country by 'shouting'? I think the real question is, are YOU ******ed?

Ladies and gentlemen, the qoute IN CONTEXT...

While Europe Slept is a painfully inept screed filled with straw men and anecdotes, which will put off any reader hoping for a reasoned treatment of the subject matter.

Which is a pity, because Bawer's central theme, Europeans' indifference to the growing influence of Islam in Europe, is one deserving serious attention.

That doesn't sound like a book I want to be reading at all...

 

[Cyrusbales]

No, but I'm sure my IQ has dropped several points just from talking to you. Are you denying that what I said about Islam taking over England and Europe is true?

You should read this - http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-...0385514727/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-6100014-9691269

- but as this line from one of the reviews - "Bawer's central theme, Europeans' indifference to the growing influence of Islam in Europe, is one deserving serious attention" - seems to describe your attitude to a T, reading it would probably be a waste of time. If you're so blind as to what's going on right around you, I doubt reading a book is going to help you. You think that the radicals are taking over your country by 'shouting'? I think the real question is, are YOU ******ed?

You mean TOLLERANCE? This seems like the insinuation is for people to actively hate Islam? Seriously, I don't know who's stupider, the guy who wrote this crap, or you for posting it...

 

[sundaycall]

You know, all respect to you and your opinion, but I'm done. If you can't see the logic of why I don't understand people getting upset over the flag shot after reading 15+ pages of my posts, you never will. All I can say is maybe you feel differently about the Irish flag and what it represents than I do about the american flag and what it represents because I don't find showing the flag in that context lazy, embarrassing, or whatever.

Fair enough. This thread was fun though. Til next time.

 

[sundaycall]

You obviously hate Ireland, care little for the radical islamic extremists that are taking over your country by shouting, and you a massive hypocrite because you think that the shot of the Union Jack in the Spy Who Loved Me is okay.

Is this guy serious or just incredibly tightly wound? And yeah the Union Flag's fine in James Bond cuz that's a tongue-in-cheek spy movie made 30 years ago in a moment that was intentionally daft. I thought we covered this?

 

[Fried Gold]

Is this guy serious or just incredibly tightly wound? And yeah the Union Flag's fine in James Bond cuz that's a tongue-in-cheek spy movie made 30 years ago in a moment that was intentionally daft. I thought we covered this?

Maybe I should have put FRIED GOLD'S IMPRESSION OF SPIDER - MAN before the post, but I just assumed that you'd get it.

 

[Stupify_me]

Don't know if this is true, but is there a law or something in the States where the flag has to appear in every movie?

D!

That doesn't even make sense. No there is no law No there is no rule. There are hundreds of films with out one shot of the American flag.

This scene was not needed but at the same time it didn't hurt the film at all get over it. The answer to the main posters question is simple. America has a lot of people who love to hate it some of which live here (which doesn't make sense at all) any thing patriotic is evil.

New York has hundreds of flags the likely hood of swinging in front of one for Spidey is very high. He paused in front of it for less than a second and it wasn't like the pause made no sense he landed on the roof top to jump off. He didn't stop and pose take a few pictures. He landed and jumped off very fast.

 

[Spider - Man]

You mean TOLLERANCE? This seems like the insinuation is for people to actively hate Islam? Seriously, I don't know who's stupider, the guy who wrote this crap, or you for posting it...

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. You misconstrue my pointing out radical Islam's hate for YOU as me encouraging people to hate Islam, but I'm stupid? Whatever.

Seems like this has become England vs. America. I've spent some time in England and the one thing that always struck me as funny is how everybody walked with their heads down, never looking anyone in the eye nor even acknowledging the presence of anyone around them. Yes, be 'tolerant' of the hate being directed at you (if you don't notice it now, I'm sure one day you will no matter HOW hard you stare at the pavement) and thinking that anyone who says that it even exists is stupid.

 

[Spider - Man]

Maybe I should have put FRIED GOLD'S IMPRESSION OF SPIDER - MAN before the post, but I just assumed that you'd get it.

In this case, 'assumed' only made an 'ass' out of 'u'.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. You misconstrue my pointing out radical Islam's hate for YOU as me encouraging people to hate Islam, but I'm stupid? Whatever.

Seems like this has become England vs. America. I've spent some time in England and the one thing that always struck me as funny is how everybody walked with their heads down, never looking anyone in the eye nor even acknowledging the presence of anyone around them. Yes, be 'tolerant' of the hate being directed at you (if you don't notice it now, I'm sure one day you will no matter HOW hard you stare at the pavement) and thinking that anyone who says that it even exists is stupid.

Islam's hate for me? That's a tad fascist no? I have muslim freinds, they don't HATE me. It's ignorance to claim that all Muslims are against the western world etc. It's a minority, the number of christians against common sense and science is more overwhelming and concerning.

It's a MINORITY of people who carry hatred, and it's not due to Islam, it's due to a few people using Islam to manipulate a few people. I personally find Christianity harbours much more hatred than Islam.

 

[Fried Gold]

In this case, 'assumed' only made an 'ass' out of 'u'.

I thought it was obvious : (

SUNDAYCALL WAS AT FAULT.

 

[Stupify_me]

Islam's hate for me? That's a tad fascist no? I have muslim freinds, they don't HATE me. It's ignorance to claim that all Muslims are against the western world etc. It's a minority, the number of christians against common sense and science is more overwhelming and concerning.

It's a MINORITY of people who carry hatred, and it's not due to Islam, it's due to a few people using Islam to manipulate a few people. I personally find Christianity harbours much more hatred than Islam.

First off ill state now that I am an atheist. I also understand that not all Islam is bad or out to get the Americans

WTF are you talking about Christianity worse thatn Islam? I would say they are right on par with each other maybe with Islam being slightly more dangerous. There are amazingly awesome people in both, but there are dangerous people in both as well. Neither one is great or carries great teachings but lets face it radical Islamics are by far worse than radical Christians. I urge you to read the teachings of both, and if you have already read again and this time use your head.

 

[Cyrusbales]

First off ill state now that I am an atheist. I also understand that not all Islam is bad or out to get the Americans

WTF are you talking about Christianity worse thatn Islam? I would say they are right on par with each other maybe with Islam being slightly more dangerous. There are amazingly awesome people in both, but there are dangerous people in both as well. Neither one is great or carries great teachings but lets face it radical Islamics are by far worse than radical Christians. I urge you to read the teachings of both, and if you have already read again and this time use your head.

Islam's 'negative' aspects of minorities is restricted to minorities. THere is a large amount of christian 'negative' elemetns that concern more than minorities.

Then we have that the MINORITY of Islam, which is 'bad' is quite blatant and has no political power etc in comparison, to the slightly subversive and near unstoppable damage that christianity causes.

Manipulation of people into an ignorant state and denial of science in order to force people into submission.

So MORE dangerous people in Christianity, and causing much more danger as it corrupts at a socio-political level more than the effect of Islam in the west, which effects only the basic levels of the societal structure.

"God told me to invade....."

 

[Spider - Man]

Islam's hate for me? That's a tad fascist no? I have muslim freinds, they don't HATE me. It's ignorance to claim that all Muslims are against the western world etc. It's a minority, the number of christians against common sense and science is more overwhelming and concerning.

It's a MINORITY of people who carry hatred, and it's not due to Islam, it's due to a few people using Islam to manipulate a few people. I personally find Christianity harbours much more hatred than Islam.

Yeah, last I heard no Christians had flown airliners into skyscrapers or set off bombs in subways. But maybe you know better.

 

[Stupify_me]

Islam's 'negative' aspects of minorities is restricted to minorities. THere is a large amount of christian 'negative' elemetns that concern more than minorities.

Then we have that the MINORITY of Islam, which is 'bad' is quite blatant and has no political power etc in comparison, to the slightly subversive and near unstoppable damage that christianity causes.

Manipulation of people into an ignorant state and denial of science in order to force people into submission.

So MORE dangerous people in Christianity, and causing much more danger as it corrupts at a socio-political level more than the effect of Islam in the west, which effects only the basic levels of the societal structure.

"God told me to invade....."

You have to be kidding me with this BS. 99% of what you said is all your VERY VERY Biased opinion. I just realized there is no need to debate with you it would be pointless you obviously have no idea what you are talking about and simply love to hate Christians.

I do have to thank you though for giving me plenty of good laughs. You simply do not agree with any Christian Values so you hate it. You follow the obvious extremist liberal line. Which is be loving and excepting to every one....As long as they aren't Christian.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Yeah, last I heard no Christians had flown airliners into skyscrapers or set off bombs in subways. But maybe you know better.

Did you know some christian organisation offer AIDS treatment, but ONLY to those who convert to christiantity?

Ever heard of the crusades? How many people died in Iraq? Because "God told Bush to invade."

Just because they don't make a huge spectacle of it, doesn't mean it's any less.

Try northern island for example if you want conflict, christians killing other christians, how messed up is that?

People make such a big deal of the twin towers, but over ten times the amount of people killed on 9/11 are killed everyday in Africa due to AIDS alone, where treatment could be given to extent their life and raise the quality of their lives, but no, instead christians spend it on 'holy wars' etc.

I can give you more examples if you would like?

 

[Spider - Man]

"God told me to invade....."

If by this you are referring to Iraq, once again, ignorance prevails. You ignore everything I said earlier about Bush and Iraq and relegate the whole thing to 'a Christian-motivated act'. Unbelievable.

 

[Mr Jide]

Jesus Christ! will this clearly "gone to hell" thread close already.

 

[Stupify_me]

Jesus Christ! will this clearly "gone to hell" thread close already.

I agree I tried to jump in but this has gone way off topic and I regret it already. That's one of the reasons i'm not going to feed it anymore that and it's pointless to try to talk to extremists.

 

[Cyrusbales]

You have to be kidding me with this BS. 99% of what you said is all your VERY VERY Biased opinion. I just realized there is no need to debate with you it would be pointless you obviously have no idea what you are talking about and simply love to hate Christians.

I do have to thank you though for giving me plenty of good laughs. You simply do not agree with any Christian Values so you hate it. You follow the obvious extremist liberal line. Which is be loving and excepting to every one....As long as they aren't Christian.

So I analyse the numbers of people and the socio-political factors, and you fail to give an argument in response, "that's BS." very constructive and explains your reputation on the hype.

If you could actually offer evidence on the contrary, then maybe we could have a discussion, rather than you attacking me personally by calling me liberal etc, rather than looking at what I'm saying.

Notice all the christian links in the government of america? There is no Islam link to the high end of politics in western europe or america. So Christianity holds more power, and more power=more destructive capabilities etc. It's simple logic.