why aren't people licensed to have children?

[Mr. Credible]

okay, i know that's a loaded question, and i'd be lying if i said i had all the answers... but, people are liscenced for all kinds of "important" things everyday, and having a kid is arguably the most important thing one can do with his or her life... any two redneck, backwoods (for example) people can have a kid, and raise it to be a racist, or terrorist, or whatever.... when people are liscenced to be things like drivers, or carriers of weapons, or sexual predators, why aren't they liscenced to be the most important thing in the world?

i get that it's every person's right to have a kid, and pass on their own DNA, and that that's just a natural part of life, but that doesn't make it okay...

so... discuss:

 

[Mr Sparkle]

"license"

 

[Mee]

Do you get it suspended if your kid does drugs or something? And then taken away if he/she dies I guess.

 

[Mr. Credible]

"license"

dude, i get off of my shift at 8am... so this is my night time. and i've been drinking since 10am... so, forgive me.

 

[hey yo its sean]

This reminds me of Demolition Man.

 

[jaguarr]

okay, i know that's a loaded question, and i'd be lying if i said i had all the answers... but, people are liscenced for all kinds of "important" things everyday, and having a kid is arguably the most important thing one can do with his or her life... any two redneck, backwoods (for example) people can have a kid, and raise it to be a racist, or terrorist, or whatever.... when people are liscenced to be things like drivers, or carriers of weapons, or sexual predators, why aren't they liscenced to be the most important thing in the world?

i get that it's every person's right to have a kid, and pass on their own DNA, and that that's just a natural part of life, but that doesn't make it okay...

so... discuss:

The overhead cost and manpower required to enforce licensing and registration for having children would be entirely unmanageable for one thing.

jag

 

[Mr. Credible]

Do you get it suspended if your kid does drugs or something? And then taken away if he/she dies I guess.

yeah... it's not a perfect idea... but people have to take a what, 20 or 30 minute test to drive a car?

i think that they ought to have to take some kind of test before they have a kid.

 

[Mr. Credible]

The overhead cost and manpower required to enforce licensing and registration for having children would be entirely unmanageable for one thing.

jag

i kind of agree... but there's no research to back up your statement...

sure, it would cost a lot to license these people, but when (however many) kids kill people in schools or whatever every day, isn't it worth it to look into it?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The fact that you have to go through a class, prove your retention and comprehension of the information, and then obtain a license to drive a car or own a gun, or sell beer, ale, cider and Zimas.....but you don't have to do all that before CREATING A HUMAN LIFE OUT OF NOTHING.....is,...I'm going to go as far as to say, the most insane, ******ed thing about society.

Effed up people have sex for the wrong reasons, get pregnant for the wrong reasons, raise their children in effed up ways, those children grow up into effed up people, who attract effed up people, they have sex for the wrong reasons, procreate for the wrong reasons, and raise their own little effed up people.

And that is THE main reason the world is so effed up today, and has ALWAYS been effed up.

 

[lazur]

okay, i know that's a loaded question, and i'd be lying if i said i had all the answers... but, people are liscenced for all kinds of "important" things everyday, and having a kid is arguably the most important thing one can do with his or her life... any two redneck, backwoods (for example) people can have a kid, and raise it to be a racist, or terrorist, or whatever.... when people are liscenced to be things like drivers, or carriers of weapons, or sexual predators, why aren't they liscenced to be the most important thing in the world?

i get that it's every person's right to have a kid, and pass on their own DNA, and that that's just a natural part of life, but that doesn't make it okay...

so... discuss:

Would things like drinking all night or not being able to spell worth a damn disqualify you from having kids?

 

[Mr. Credible]

The fact that you have to go through a class, prove your retention and comprehension of the information, and then obtain a license to drive a car or own a gun, or sell beer, ale, cider and Zimas.....but you don't have to do all that before CREATING A HUMAN LIFE OUT OF NOTHING.....is,...I'm going to go as far as to say, the most insane, ******ed thing about society.

Effed up people have sex for the wrong reasons, get pregnant for the wrong reasons, raise their children in effed up ways, those children grow up into effed up people, who attract effed up people, they have sex for the wrong reasons, procreate for the wrong reasons, and raise their own little effed up people.

And that is THE main reason the world is so effed up today, and has ALWAYS been effed up.

well, thank you for agreeing, i think.

if you have any ideas to stop this um... phenominon (or whatever you would call it) please, contribute. i'd love to hear it.

 

[jaguarr]

i kind of agree... but there's no research to back up your statement...

sure, it would cost a lot to license these people, but when (however many) kids kill people in schools or whatever every day, isn't it worth it to look into it?

Ummm....you say there's no research to back up my statement and then admit that it would cost a lot to license people to have children? Does not compute, Mr. Hawking.

At any rate, there's plenty of examples of the high cost of regulatory bodies such as driver's licensing, welfare, social services, the war on drugs, border patrols etc. None of those programs are cheap in the slightest and many of them are marginally effective at best while bleeding money all over the place. I think I'd rather see my tax dollars be put to something more progressive for our society as a whole.

jag

 

[Mee]

I think it could definately help society, but I don't think it could ever happen. How would it be enforced? You'd have people running off into the wilderness to make babies. "Freeeeduuuuum!!"

It has the makings of a crazy sci-fi novel.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Would things like drinking all night or not being able to spell worth a damn disqualify you from having kids?

um, i don't know... do those things disqualify you from being able to drive a vehicle?

i'm not asking for a complete background check or a psychological evaluation or anything... but when anyone in the world can have a kid, and mold them into whatever they want them to be, there's a problem.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I think it could definately help society, but I don't think it could ever happen. How would it be enforced? You'd have people running off into the wilderness to make babies. "Freeeeduuuuum!!"

It has the makings of a crazy sci-fi novel.

Do you have any idea how many people own guns illegally or drive cars while unlicensed.
I guess we should just discontinue the practice of requiring safety classes and licenses since it's really impossible to enforce it significantly.

 

[Iceman]

okay, i know that's a loaded question, and i'd be lying if i said i had all the answers... but, people are liscenced for all kinds of "important" things everyday, and having a kid is arguably the most important thing one can do with his or her life... any two redneck, backwoods (for example) people can have a kid, and raise it to be a racist, or terrorist, or whatever.... when people are liscenced to be things like drivers, or carriers of weapons, or sexual predators, why aren't they liscenced to be the most important thing in the world?

i get that it's every person's right to have a kid, and pass on their own DNA, and that that's just a natural part of life, but that doesn't make it okay...

so... discuss:

I think you have a fair point hidden somewhere within that post. I definitely think certain people (eg the worst criminals) should be denied the right to have kids.

 

[jaguarr]

i'm not asking for a complete background check or a psychological evaluation or anything...

I find this ironic because those are really two of the major criteria that SHOULD be included in any program of this nature that would have been worth a damn.

but when anyone in the world can have a kid, and mold them into whatever they want them to be, there's a problem.

I know. It's very unsettling. They raise them so that they grow up to cheat on their girlfriends by having anal sex with said girlfriend's married sisters. :crazyshockandaweyetstilldisgustedface:

jag

 

[Mee]

Do you have any idea how many people own guns illegally or drive cars while unlicensed.
I guess we should just discontinue the practice of requiring safety classes and licenses since it's really impossible to enforce it significantly.

No, I know that.

I'm just saying, would it really solve anything? Would those same "effed up people" really go through all the registration and everything? What happens if it's found out they don't have a license, the kid gets taken to an orphanage or foster home?

 

[November Rain]

testes should be taken into custody by the government on one's birth and returned when we pass a test if we want to have kids...

who needs balls anyway....

 

[Mr. Credible]

Ummm....you say there's no research to back up my statement and then admit that it would cost a lot to license people to have children? Does not compute, Mr. Hawking.

At any rate, there's plenty of examples of the high cost of regulatory bodies such as driver's licensing, welfare, social services, the war on drugs, border patrols etc. None of those programs are cheap in the slightest and many of them are marginally effective at best while bleeding money all over the place. I think I'd rather see my tax dollars be put to something more progressive for our society as a whole.

jag

yes, it would be conjecture on my part to assume that liscencing people to have kids would be expensive... but it's an edjucated guess...

the war on drugs (in amsterdam, for example) isn't expensive, because there harldy isn't one (much like their crime rate, hm?) and border patrol wouldn't be a problem if we just stopped corporations from hiring people without greencards (which, you'd think would be easy for the government) not to mention the trillions of dollars "we've" spent on this awesome war that serves no purpose... so please, don't tell me we don't have the money to spend on something impoertant like telling people when they can raise people the way they want them to be raised, okay?

 

[Mr. Credible]

I find this ironic because those are really two of the major criteria that SHOULD be included in any program of this nature that would have been worth a damn.



I know. It's very unsettling. They raise them so that they grow up to cheat on their girlfriends by having anal sex with said girlfriend's married sisters. :crazyshockandaweyetstilldisgustedface:

jag

lol... i did do that.

 

[Mr. Credible]

No, I know that.

I'm just saying, would it really solve anything? Would those same "effed up people" really go through all the registration and everything? What happens if it's found out they don't have a license, the kid gets taken to an orphanage or foster home?

that's probably the same kind of thinking that allowed people to drive 40 MPH's through the first 4-way-stop sign.... you know what i mean?

i'm sure there were 80,000 people that objected to the first 4-way-stop, too, but, after a few laws, and a few years.... it turned out pretty okay for all of us, right?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

No, I know that.

I'm just saying, would it really solve anything? Would those same "effed up people" really go through all the registration and everything? What happens if it's found out they don't have a license, the kid gets taken to an orphanage or foster home?

My ideal world is an impossible, unenforceable fantasy Utopia.

But at the very least, like, if you beat your kids, or sexually abuse them, or don't feed them, and they find out about it, the kids are taken away by the gov't. That's how it is now.

At the very least, you can promulgate the law, that if you get pregnant without going through JUST a class on how to care for babies, that also touches on the psychological side of parenting (though, as I saw in the jag post, what I would want would be background check and exhaustive battery of psychological tests...but I know that that is where it would get unwieldy), The hospital will report it, and you'll have to pay a huge fine or something.......

I mean, 90% of the people in my Boozer Recovery group thing right now are there on a deferred thing, so they won't have to go to jail.
They are totally not going to give in and drink, and they are totally faithful to the program...'cause they're terrified of going to jail.

So any lady who's having a baby in a hospital at least, can be tracked, and if she didn't get pre-natal care, they tell her she has to fulfill these requirements OR, something bad, like a fine, or jail or maybe in extreme cases, they'll take the baby away.

It sounds non-doable, but so does "building the Golden Gate Bridge"...but they did it.

 

[Apollo]

Do you get it suspended if your kid does drugs or something? And then taken away if he/she dies I guess.

LOL thats what i was thinking t:

 

[jaguarr]

yes, it would be conjecture on my part to assume that liscencing people to have kids would be expensive... but it's an edjucated guess...

Errr...my confusion was that you said that there was no research to support the claim that I made about that and then supported it yourself.

the war on drugs (in amsterdam, for example) isn't expensive, because there harldy isn't one (much like their crime rate, hm?)

So they don't have a problem because the DON'T try to regulate and enforce a draconian legal stance on drugs? Perhaps this is not a good example for you to refer to with your proposal to DO regulate and enforce a draconian legal stance on child birth.

and border patrol wouldn't be a problem if we just stopped corporations from hiring people without greencards (which, you'd think would be easy for the government) not to mention the trillions of dollars "we've" spent on this awesome war that serves no purpose...

Part of the war on illegal immigration and illegal workers involves regulating industry. It's expensive and it obviously has not worked. Again, not the best of examples because it illustrates exactly what would happen if we tried to control and regulate child birth; people would do it anyway and there would be no real way to stop them.

so please, don't tell me we don't have the money to spend on something impoertant like telling people when they can raise people the way they want them to be raised, okay?

That's something that's important to you, not necessarily to everyone. While I won't disagree that many people who shouldn't have children do just that, this is America where freedom is a very important value to all of us and quite frankly, your idea tramples all over those very fundamental ideals that this country was founded on (not to mention it being completely ripe for abuse, misuse and corruption). Perhaps you should consider moving to China where the laws around child birth might be still a little loose for your liking but closer to what you seem to want so badly than we have here in America.

jag