Hey, that got rid of Jason Todd. The ends justify the means in such cases.Yeah, Marvel is horrible with the gimmicks... like the time they had people call in a vote on weather the new Robin lives or dies.
Eh, whatevz. Bestest best buddies 4life?
Kinda like The Ultimates.Yeah, that was subtle.
****in' Ultimate bastardizations. I blame Quesada.
You say it like that was the only reason. What about the way he arbitrarily applied his own personal tragedy bull**** moral system to the Marvel U. and retconned smoking out of existence? Like, Marvel's always been way too retcon-happy (yes, I'm aware that DC is guilty as well, but Marvel's way worse because they don't even try to explain it logically, they just do it, and they do it more often), and they've gotten even worse about that since Quesada took over, but that smoking thing is really the most dumbass retcon ever. It's like retconning World War II out of existence, or retconning Europe out of existence. It's a fact of ****in' life.
I was thinking about the time they made an entire in-continuity, hyped-up miniseries for the express purpose of selling toys. Or the time Stan Lee kept appearing in movies for no reason to hype Marvel Comics. Or the time Rob Liefeld happened. Or the time Marvel's entire superhero universe is based around hero-fights, with a few odd villains thrown in. Or the time they took that ridiculous tendency so far, they made an unimaginably implausible "civil war" out of it, even though the pretenses for that war had been done to death in comics, without the gimmicky bull****. Or the time they decided to launch an "Ultimate" line that would allow them to retell the same old stories but call them "new" because it was a different universe, and would allow them to jettison their own nadspraggled continuity without actually having to give up on years of what I guess they call character development. Or the time they ****ed up the entire superhero comics industry, probably for good, by signing an exclusive distribution deal. Or the time they basically ripped off every good idea that DC had first, and then bastardized and sensationalized it so they could still call themselves the House of Ideas. Or the time...you know what? **** it. I'm not doing this anymore.Yeah, Marvel is horrible with the gimmicks... like the time they had people call in a vote on weather the new Robin lives or dies.
All of which you should blame Morrison for. The fact that you don't suggests to me that you mostly just want a reason to hate DC. You're a good fella, but I think there's way too much arbitrary DC-hating rolling around this forum. Everything that Winick, Johns, Meltzer, and DiDio get blamed for, should all be laid at the feet of Grant Morrison. Which is part of the reason I am a huge Grant Morrison fan.
That's why everyone thinks comics fans are weird. Right there. Thanks a bunch, Spidey 4 Life or whatever his name was.
I should blame Grant Morrison because Judd Winick brought Jason Todd back from the dead?
No, but the whole "Hey! Everything old is new again!" trend is Morrison's baby. That's where the Jason Todd resurrection comes from. Winick didn't even make it up. Loeb played with the concept first.I should blame Grant Morrison because Judd Winick brought Jason Todd back from the dead?
Aristotle said:
I tend to think that comics fans operate like a herd. It's quite fashionable to bash on everything DC's put out since OYL, while somehow finding Marvel's current output fascinating.
No, I'm 21 years old and I like DC more than Marvel. Give me a mediocre Countdown over some appallingly bad series of hero-fight "wars" any day.
As you like it. Let's just forget it. I didn't articulate my point very well at all, and I'd rather not try and rehash it.
Fair enough, but I've always found more to love in DC than in Marvel.
I keep waiting for that to happen. It seems like it would be logical. But the problem is that the big events DO cast a long shadow. And Marvel's events' shadows are a lot nastier to me. Civil War has completely butt****ed the entire Marvel U., in my view, while Infinite Crisis just made all the DC titles temporarily mediocre, a problem easily remedied. Will rewinding the clock on Spidey's identity, the damn Initiative, and the generally negative, depressing tone of the Marvel U. be as simple?
