Why doesnt Star Wars boards get more attention on SHH ?

[Quasimod0]

The BvS boards are almost always packed, no matter what has been released. Heck there is still pretty steady conversation going on in the superman suit thread. I'm guessing there are just a lot more DC fans here than fans of any other property.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I've liked all Star Wars movies so far, to an extent, but can't get excited about this new one.

Partially I think it's because I've matured and see it as just existing to sell toys. The whole spinoffs and prequels thing seems like a cash-grab that will make the franchise less special as there'll be a movie every year. And finally I think I've grown tired of brand-name movies getting guaranteed $billions over non-franchise name original movies of better quality.

The way is see it most people will go see it either because it's been marketed down their throats, investment in the pre-existing franchise, nostalgia for the original movies or because it's "the thing to do" rather than genuine interest in the content of the movie

 

[Micromind]

I've liked all Star Wars movies so far, to an extent, but can't get excited about this new one.

Partially I think it's because I've matured and see it as just existing to sell toys. The whole spinoffs and prequels thing seems like a cash-grab that will make the franchise less special as there'll be a movie every year. And finally I think I've grown tired of brand-name movies getting guaranteed $billions over non-franchise name original movies of better quality.

The way is see it most people will go see it either because it's been marketed down their throats, investment in the pre-existing franchise, nostalgia for the original movies or because it's "the thing to do" rather than genuine interest in the content of the movie

I agree with this entire post, my sentiments exactly !

 

[ThePhantasm]

Partially I think it's because I've matured and see it as just existing to sell toys.

That's not maturity, that's cheerless cynicism.

Every franchise exists to make money. That's the reason they get funded by studios. But let's not pretend that the directors, scripwriters, and cast members don't genuinely care about the story. Let's not strike a false dichotomy between marketability/profit and genuine artistry.

 

[Erzengel]

I just don't want to be spoiled by the movie, which is why I avoided the Avengers forums.

But in the end, this is a comic book site =/= Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

That's not maturity, that's cheerless cynicism.

Every franchise exists to make money. That's the reason they get funded by studios. But let's not pretend that the directors, scripwriters, and cast members don't genuinely care about the story. Let's not strike a false dichotomy between marketability/profit and genuine artistry.

All franchises exist to make money but not all franchises exist to sell merchandise of every kind.

The Alien franchise for example is mostly just a film-medium Franchise with the money coming almost exclusively from the movies. There are some merchandise but it doesn't jump the shark.

Star Wars on the other hand has themed eyeglasses, pyjamas, cereal, toys, bed-spreads, alarm clocks, fans, candy, wallpaper, razors, lamps. Ect...

Almost anything you can put the characters or logo on and sell to people has been made. Lucasfilm essentially created blockbuster merchandising but since Disney bought them it's gone even further, I can't walk down the high-street without seeing some innocuous thing with Star Wars slapped on it in store windows

Makes me sick of seeing them. Too much of a good thing and all that

 

[Micromind]

That's not maturity, that's cheerless cynicism.

Every franchise exists to make money. That's the reason they get funded by studios. But let's not pretend that the directors, scripwriters, and cast members don't genuinely care about the story. Let's not strike a false dichotomy between marketability/profit and genuine artistry.

Yes, but to keep making movies when there's no interest / demand is just blatant attempt to earn money without giving a damn about what made earlier movies successful, and disregarding the that fact none are really interested in those movies.

Case in point, Terminator Genisys, Ghostbusters (2016), Pirates of the Caribbean 5.

In contrast, if the movie in the franchise is well made then even if the primary goal was to make money, not many would object, like Bond's Skyfall.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That's not maturity, that's cheerless cynicism.

Every franchise exists to make money. That's the reason they get funded by studios. But let's not pretend that the directors, scripwriters, and cast members don't genuinely care about the story. Let's not strike a false dichotomy between marketability/profit and genuine artistry.

Exactly, people shouldn't assume every artist involved is just as cynical as some studio exec.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yes, but to keep making movies when there's no interest / demand is just blatant attempt to earn money without giving a damn about what made earlier movies successful, and disregarding the that fact none are really interested in those movies.

Case in point, Terminator Genisys, Ghostbusters (2016), Pirates of the Caribbean 5.

In contrast, if the movie in the franchise is well made then even if the primary goal was to make money, not many would object, like Bond's Skyfall.

Everybody wants franchise movies the fans and the public love like T2, ROTK, TDK, Winter Soldier, etc.

So we should rally against lazy franchises, not franchises in general.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Just because people love a franchise doesn't mean they want new instalments every other year or new reboots every decade.

I love the first two Terminator movies but haven't seen one in the cinema since T3 as they can't replicate them. I'd be more interested in a Terminator story that uses the lore and tells a new story with new characters than repeats the same judgement day and trying to kill John Connor story over and over

Exactly, people shouldn't assume every artist involved is just as cynical as some studio exec.

I Don't think anybody said the artists involved aren't doing their best.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yes, but to keep making movies when there's no interest / demand is just blatant attempt to earn money without giving a damn about what made earlier movies successful, and disregarding the that fact none are really interested in those movies.

If you think that's the case with the Star Wars franchise then you are hilariously wrong, my friend.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I Don't think anybody said the artists involved aren't doing their best.

You said the movies exist "just to sell toys." Either that was a gross oversimplification or you misspoke.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I Don't think anybody said the artists involved aren't doing their best.

I don't see a problem with the extreme merchandising if the movies are entertaining.

I think the biggest problem are franchises that waste potential and provide a mediocre product.

 

[John Locke]

Because the majority of what we know is from spoilers. People who want to be spoiler free have nothing to talk about. It's not like BvS where we can spend threads talking about if Doomsday or Bizarro is going to be the second villain or who's going to play Hal Jordan, but for SW there's nothing to speculate because the characters are completely new and we know little about them. Once TFA releases it will be huge.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I don't see a problem with the extreme merchandising if the movies are entertaining.

I think the biggest problem are franchises that waste potential and provide a mediocre product.

Over-merchandising and the state of relentless online hype for every scrap on news personally just makes me tired of seeing the property before the movie has been released.

And for example if a person isn't interested in a franchise it becomes almost impossible to ignore it.

For me personally if this was another trilogy and the merchandising within reason I'd be excited, but with seeing it on everything and there being a movie every year it just feels hollow and all about the bottom line than being about making memorable stories.

If I go see a movie I want it to be because I interested in it not because I've been conditioned to see it by relentless marketing, merchandising and franchising as well as social pressure

As to the thread question it's strange how it's not bigger on this forum as comic book movies and Star Wars fit the same pop culture field

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Marketing and merchandising usually don't sway me.

I could tell you all the movies I plan to see in 2016 and marketing won't change it.

I might go see a movie I didn't plan to if it gets rave reviews though.

 

[ThePhantasm]

If I go see a movie I want it to be because I interested in it not because I've been conditioned to see it by relentless marketing, merchandising and franchising as well as social pressure

Except the way you are describing it makes it sound as if the marketing is conditioning you not to see it, because it elicits this reaction from you. I'm just wondering why you are allowing the marketing to sway you one way or the other, since it won't determine whether the story or film itself is good.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Also SW7 has 190 threads. There are almost two dozen upcoming superhero movies with less active forums including Civil War and Apocalypse.

 

[Teelie]

I've liked all Star Wars movies so far, to an extent, but can't get excited about this new one.

Partially I think it's because I've matured and see it as just existing to sell toys. The whole spinoffs and prequels thing seems like a cash-grab that will make the franchise less special as there'll be a movie every year. And finally I think I've grown tired of brand-name movies getting guaranteed $billions over non-franchise name original movies of better quality.

That's not maturity, that's cheerless cynicism.

Every franchise exists to make money. That's the reason they get funded by studios. But let's not pretend that the directors, scripwriters, and cast members don't genuinely care about the story. Let's not strike a false dichotomy between marketability/profit and genuine artistry.

I just don't want to be spoiled by the movie, which is why I avoided the Avengers forums.

But in the end, this is a comic book site =/= Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.

All of this (bolded parts particularly) sums up my opinion. I know they exist to make money, I know they have to various extents been kiddified to sell toys and merchandise but I also am not so cynical as to think that's the only reason they exist.

There is a deeper meaning and context to these movies even if that was not intentional. I don't believe in the Force or ascribe a deeper meaning to them than some people do but I do think they have some importance beyond $$$.

As to why I think the forums are not a hotbed of activity and discussion, it comes down to the lack of information/leaks and I feel an extreme amount of wariness that this might be another Phantom Menace scenario where everyone was super excited then felt an immense letdown with what they got instead.

There was no way the prequels could ever have lived up to that level of expectation and I am kind of glad the new movies are not being given that amount of demanded perfection.

 

[Erzengel]

I hope some of you Batman and X-Men fans who think the Star Wars series is a cash grab, can acknowledge their own favorite series is the same? Considering we've had 7 Batman films with at least 2 more on the way. 7 X-Men films with 1-2 on the way. How many cartoon series, and direct to video movies and even a few live action TV shows? My goodness, let's not even go into how awful Gotham is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If I could make one change to the Star Wars forum, I would have it be one, maybe two different forums. One for the upcoming film and the saga as a whole. The other for upcoming projects. Not a fan of dividing up the traffic.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hope some of you Batman and X-Men fans who think the Star Wars series is a cash grab, can acknowledge their own favorite series is the same? Considering we've had 7 Batman films with at least 2 more on the way. 7 X-Men films with 1-2 on the way. How many cartoon series, and direct to video movies and even a few live action TV shows? My goodness, let's not even go into how awful Gotham is.

Fox and DC fans are little touchy about Disney knowing how to make money better then everyone else. Disney makes that paper not just at the box office, but in the merch.

And as a Star Wars fan I could not be happier that I am going to have a heck of a lot of figures, toys, cards and other stuff to pick from. Force Friday is a big deal for me. Why should people be upset about having merch for the things that like? Seems quite bitter.

 

[BadrHari]

Batman vs. Superman Board - 465k posts

Star Wars Ep.7 - 50k posts

The difference is MASSIVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even when SW TFA comes out in Dec, I dont see the SW board doing more than BvS.

 

[Greens]

Batman vs. Superman Board - 465k posts

Star Wars Ep.7 - 50k posts

The difference is MASSIVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even when SW TFA comes out in Dec, I dont see the SW board doing more than BvS.

If you look at the Age of Ultron board, it now has about 90k posts. That includes the lead-up to the release and post-release discussion. Star Wars could easily beat that or at least come close.

DC gets a lot more attention on this site in general, so I'm not surprised that BvS has so many posts already.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you look at the Age of Ultron board, it now has about 90k posts. That includes the lead-up to the release and post-release discussion. Star Wars could easily beat that or at least come close.

DC gets a lot more attention on this site in general, so I'm not surprised that BvS has so many posts already.

Exactly. The Star Wars traffic is actually pretty good, and will pick up as we get closer to TFA. Just compare it to say, X-Men Apocalypse.