Why I think Cyclops is still alive

[Sun_Down]

Just like he knew Jean was dead right? You'd think if Xavier knew Scott was dead he'd have told Logan and Storm. But did he? He only mentions this to Jean, I almost get the idea like he says this just to get a reaction out of her and try to knock some sense into her.

He knew Jean was alive at the end of X2. And just because he didn't tell them right away doesn't mean he didn't know. Did you miss the scene where Xavier cried out in mental anguish right after Cyke was killed? Your argument doesn't really hold up. The man is dead. Now, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they brought him back to life or just retconned the whole thing, but the fact of the matter is that right now, Scott Summers is dead.

 

[PowersOfMind]

Im sorry, but some speculate that maybe when they were kissing she started to go all Dark Phoenix on him and his powers kicked back in. But if that is so, if him firing at her was an accident or not, she would have killed him. Or Phoenix would have cuz that would have pissed her off. I have racked my brain for some possible way for him to have survived and im coming up with nada.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

my brain hurts. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Xformation overload.

 

[D-scythe]

To flat out bring her back would make things look silly, but i wouldnt mind. people want these films more like the comics, and then they whine when resurrections happen.

Actually, common misperception. People want the characters to stay true to the comics, but respect the artistic licenses given to the movie producers to come up with their own story and such. It's just that in X3, they both went too far with their artistic license, and also they did not stay true to the characters.

 

[XCharlieX]

Cyclops is dead. The professor sensed it immediately. Doesnt take much to figure out, unless someone wants so bad to revive cyclops that they dont care what the film was doing.

 

[PowersOfMind]

How did they go to far with the artistic license?

 

[D-scythe]

How did they go to far with the artistic license?

Okay, simply considering the Phoenix plot in X3 (not the cure), they took certain, extraordinairy actions with their artistic license.

Character-wise, they replaced Logan with Scott. Actually, in X3, Logan's personality was closer to comicbook Scott than it was to comicbook Logan. If there was a Justice League movie, I wouldn't want to see Superman dying and Batman kicking Doomsday's as$ and moving in on Lois Lane. So why would I expect to see in an X-men movie Scott getting killed and Logan saving the day and moving in on Jean Grey?

Plot-wise, again, they made Logan the hero. In the actual Phoenix story, Jean Grey was the hero, not Scott, not Logan. It was about Jean's inner struggle, and how she overcame her inner conflicts to do what's best not only for her lover Scott but also for the X-team. In X3, they had Scott killed off and they had Logan saving Jean from herself.

There are other elements to a story, but in terms of comic book adaptation, usually character adaptation is the biggest one followed by adaptation of the plot, somewhat. Again, nobody was expecting a perfect comic book adaptation, but there's a difference between "staying true to the spirit" and "copy and pasting what was in the comics onto the movie screen." Nobody was expecting the latter.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

i think for the movie cyclops died, but if there was to be a sequel they would bring him back if the story needed him, or if enough fans hate the fact he's dead, because the fact is we didnt actually see him die.... i think that was a good decision by the director not to actually show it incase he was needed in the future. phoenix was agravated to kill the other ppl she did, but with scott there was no reason, she was kissing him, and the effect they started to show was totally different to the others death. jus my theory.

Hellooooooooooo.......Mr. Sinister anyone????? And I''m not talking about that lame Ultimate X-Men one! My God!!! Is there anyone in here who has read any X-Men comics that weren't released past the year 2000?!

 

[ArmyOfDarkness]

I was thinking perhaps Xavier could've transfered his mind into another mutant whom has the power to travel through time, so he could prevent the entire disaster with Pheonix from ever occuring. Leaving X-Men: The Last Stand as basically a parallel future which could've been if not for Xavier's genius, since the deaths and loss of mutant powers in the movie would really piss of fans of the series and fanboys alike. But then again, my conclusion is only what I would consider a good plot twist for a movie which left me disappointed.

 

[XCharlieX]

If one feels they went too far with artistic license why are they making themselves go through the pain of watching these films they think is so awful and then ranting? Break out the comics and have a blast! lol

 

[PowersOfMind]

But why is that going to far with artistic license? X3 falls in line with what X1 and X2 set up.

 

[D-scythe]

If one feels they went too far with artistic license why are they making themselves go through the pain of watching these films they think is so awful and then ranting? Break out the comics and have a blast! lol

Um what? I never said I didn't enjoy X3, but I just thought it had so much potential to be better. And again, when did I say I wanted a literal adaptation of the comics? When I'm watching an X3 film, I don't want to read the comics - I want to see the film. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna be disappointed by some of the decisions they make.

I think some people are just looking for a fight.

 

[XCharlieX]

So you enjoyed the film, ok. Im just seriously baffled when people , maybe not you, go on and on about directors rights to alter things and then hate the film and then start writing their own weird version of the film when thats the entire nature of movies. One cant overrun movies just because comics are their lord...thats absolutely cartoonishly ridiculous. thats all im saying. People still left bashing x3 because some comic detail was altered really need to move on. And its absolutely rampant here... who complains about some firebird effect... really

 

[D-scythe]

But why is that going to far with artistic license? X3 falls in line with what X1 and X2 set up.

No, it didn't. X1 and X2 had their own storylines, so plot-wise, nobody was really expecting an adaptation of anything. Well, except if they were doing Wolverine's past like in X2, there should be some Weapon X elements in it, which there were. And character-wise, X1 and X2 did a fantastic job with the character adaptation.

Wolverine was basically comicbook Wolverine. Same goes for Magneto, Xavier, Jean, Scott, etc. (but Storm, meh).

Just for example, X2 was more a Weapon X story than anything else. It was Wolverine's story, and he got the spotlight. Fine with everyone, stayed true to the constraints to artistic license in a Weapon X story. Weapon X should be about Wolverine.

But in X3, this formula was abandoned. They tried a small Phoenix side-plot, but they just ended up glorifying Wolverine, without any real good reason to do so plot-wise. the impression I got was that rather than "adapting" the Phoenix story to the plot, they changed it to fit the plot. And that's an important difference, and where they went too far with their artistic license.

So you enjoyed the film, ok. Im just seriously baffled when people , maybe not you, go on and on about directors rights to alter things and then hate the film and then start writing their own weird version of the film when thats the entire nature of movies. One cant overrun movies just because comics are their lord...thats absolutely cartoonishly ridiculous. thats all im saying. People still left bashing x3 because some comic detail was altered really need to move on. And its absolutely rampant here... who complains about some firebird effect... really

Yeah, I agree with you - some people just want to turn things into their own fanfic. But on some things, like X3's adaptation of the Phoenix story, I somewhat agree with them. Just a matter of opinion I suppose.

 

[XCharlieX]

Wait a sec... you say they glorified wolverine.. when theyre supposed to.. I really would like to discuss this.

 

[D-scythe]

Wait a sec... you say they glorified wolverine.. when theyre supposed to.. I really would like to discuss this.

Okay...I said yes, they glorified Wolverine, and yes, I understand why they do it (he brings in cash), but what I'm saying is that there are better ways to take advantage of Logan's popularity without shafting Cyclops the way they did. What they did to Cyclops is borderline disrespectful, at best.

And I'm not saying this as a Cyke fan. I'm saying it as an X-man fan. There are simply better ways to give Logan more screentime than to kill off his (romantic) competition, having him move in on his girl and then saving his girl. IMO.

 

[XCharlieX]

Theres two conversations about this simultaneously which caught my attention lol

First off... that was some kind of flaw in scheduling im guessing because the guy was out of the film toward the beginning admitted, but the nature of films are like that, secondary characters can leave and go if theres some weird shakeup behind the scenes. I wouldnt mind if he was still alive, now that he is gone he should stay gone or risk some cheesy revival pill explanation. But thats the nature of fluctuating films that really are destined to piss off comic fans if they take it to heart. If i were comic fans (that hated the film) i would at least try to understand the land of cinema.

And for anyone saying "oh Phoenix came back and now xavier" yes true but look at the explanation. These are basically psychics capable of that area of abilities and that would even get cheesy if they start doing it too often or they use their abilities to bring many folks back like cyclops.

 

[D-scythe]

Theres two conversations about this simultaneously which caught my attention lol

First off... that was some kind of flaw in scheduling im guessing because the guy was out of the film toward the beginning admitted, but the nature of films are like that, secondary characters can leave and go if theres some weird shakeup behind the scnenes. I wouldnt mind if he was still alive, now that he is he should stay gone or risk some cheesy revival pill explanation. But thats the nature of fluctuating films that really are destined to piss off comic fans if they take it to heart. If i were comic fans (that hated the film) i would at least try to understand the land of cinema.

And for anyone saying "oh Phoenix came back and now xavier" yes true but look at the explanation. These are basically psychics capable of that area of abilities and that would even get cheesy if they start doing it too often or they use their abilities to bring many folks back like cyclops.

Yeah, unfortunately, I agree with you on this as well. Cyke should stay dead. But my reasons are different from yours. It's just that if Cyke is gonna get the shaft in a Phoenix story, chances are he's gonna get the shaft in every other story imaginable as well.

 

[XCharlieX]

Well the thing is if they slowed x3 the hell down they coudlve got much more out of scotts scenes than they did. I thought it worked but it couldve been at a bigger volume for all to hear.

 

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, unfortunately, I agree with you on this as well. Cyke should stay dead. But my reasons are different from yours. It's just that if Cyke is gonna get the shaft in a Phoenix story, chances are he's gonna get the shaft in every other story imaginable as well.

I personally hope they don't make any more movies anyway. But they actually could get around the unbelievable crappiness of X3 with a well done Madelyne Pryor/Mr Sinister story.

But really, at this point, I hate FOX, Wolverine and the movie franchise so much that I hope they never make any more movies.

 

[spider bat 555]

he's still alive they even filmed two scenes for the ending with him to show it.

Huh ?

 

[Artistsean]

I think he is dead
because this is the last X-men movie.

The stars have said this is the last X-Men movie,
Patrick Stewart said thsi closes the curtain on X-Men, Jackman said this is the end of the X-Men despite the teaser at the end.
In other words no more X-Men, or Cyclops.
So why not show him die? They didn't even show anything. It was like his whole scene was cut, no fight, no death, no escape, or anything.
Cyclops barely had a part in any of the X-Films really, especially in this one.
Even if you weren't a fan of the characters I think you would wonder why he was in the first few minutes and then gone without a very good explanation.
I just wish they would have rapped that up better, no closer for that character.
Other than the lack of Cyclops and not showing what happened to him, and wanting to see all the surviving X-Men standing together at the end of the film, I thought it was good movie.

But if they were to do an X4,
with Jackman doing a Wolverine spin off, Magneto doing a prequal, Storm not returning, and jean gone,
X4 would be a Cyclops movie.

 

[ComicKoryn]

Ya know what's funny? The entire time I grew up watching the old X-men animated show and reading the comics, I wanted Jean to choose Logan over Scott. And now that I basically saw that happen in the movie...I kinda wish they had kept it the other way around. I guess I should be more careful what I wish for huh?

 

[Proteus-X312]

well i think it was stupid how they brought back prof X i dunerstand that the death was a good part of the movie, acctually it was my favourite part, the whole part at jeans hows was amazing. but this movie took away all the realism from films 1 and 2, especially with the body jumping. but whatever, i think if they were to kill of cycks it should of been the way they prof X.

What sort of realism do you want from a movie that has a man with a metal skeleton and another that can read minds?

 

[night_crawler_6]

Yeah, a bit like the ending of X3, blatantly Magento will regain all of his powers for x4.Just like Cyclops is not dead and will return in X4..Now, if only they can get back Proff X??!

errm hello this was the last xmen movie were did you get the whole idea about xmen 4 think before you speek.